SHOULD CANADA KILL NAFTA???
Canadaka Canadaka:
I wish that a NEP went through

NEP2 = Republic of Alberta.

Keemo @ Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:55 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
NAFTA has not screwed BC. Neither has the softwood lumber agreement really. The only reason sawmills are shutting down right now is because there is no demand for the product. Raw logs have been shipped out of the province on and off long before NAFTA was signed. What the softwood lumber agreement did, although not perfect, was bring some stability back to the industry. Unfortunately we've been hit by the sub prime mortgage backlash.
While true that the current recession in in the US, thanks to sub-prime mortgages failing, has severely hurt their housing market, but mills have been shutting down longer than that. I'm not simply talking about 'shortage of work' layoffs that are temporary, but condos where the mill was shut downs.
I spent many years as a logger and an active IWA member, not just the pay the dues to work kind. BC often exported logs, yellow cedar and sitka spruce to Japan for custom milling, hemlock and balsam to China, some for chop sticks, the rest for timber of dimensions different that what we mill.
Once NAFTA came in, the US became the customer of choice for raw logs, easier shipping. But still, our mills sent huge loads of lumber south. Then along came the protectionist whining about softwood, and the sanctions. Lumber sales dropped, due to tariffs, which had NAFTA been negotiated correctly, should not have applied. Then after many years of legal battles, which we won several times and the US ignored/appealed, the settlement came. It was simple easier to let them mill the lumber themselves and shut down our mills. Odd how a mill being dismantled can sell off it's equipment quickly to US mills.
mtbr @ Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:20 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
Republic of Alberta? lmfao.
I find it hilarious how pissed of Albertans would be to get their province back.
explain

tritium @ Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:39 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
Keemo Keemo:
Today 108.140 !!!!!
I've nor seen gas that cheap in a long time.
Today 117.160
Yesterday 117.163
One Week Ago 113.533
One Month Ago 106.996
One Year Ago 102.231
But NAFTA does not just affect oil, it affects all our resources, water, timber, coal etc. Between NAFTA and the so called Softwood lumber deal, BC has been getting screwed, without even the decency to use KY. Raw logs getting shipped south and sawmill after sawmill closing down.
Kill NAFTA? hell yes, nuke it.
NAFTA has not screwed BC. Neither has the softwood lumber agreement really. The only reason sawmills are shutting down right now is because there is no demand for the product. Raw logs have been shipped out of the province on and off long before NAFTA was signed. What the softwood lumber agreement did, although not perfect, was bring some stability back to the industry. Unfortunately we've been hit by the sub prime mortgage backlash.
NOT IN DEMAND!! WTH!
Palliser Lumber is the second biggest reseller of wood in Canada. If they were not so busy, do you think they would have just completed 10 million in renovations.
They have trucks lined up waiting to take product back to the United States.
The reason they are number 2 right now is their competition moved to the United States.
Palliser Lumber buys Canadian lumber and is truely a Canadian company. (besides some of the owners of the Calgary Flames has stock it Palliser)
mtbr @ Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:39 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
mtbr mtbr:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
Republic of Alberta? lmfao.
I find it hilarious how pissed of Albertans would be to get their province back.
explain

Alberta's Economy is virtually OWNED by the United States of America.
Getting their right to their own oil back = A lot of very pissed off Albertans.
feeble attempt at sarcasm.
tritium @ Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:47 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
Alberta's Economy is virtually OWNED by the United States of America.
Getting their right to their own oil back = A lot of very pissed off Albertans.
He is simply saying the foreign investment in Alberta is from the United States and China and they have their own countries interest at heart first before Canada.
Canada is foreign owned. Not just Alberta. We as a nation have already lost our country to Corporate America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_ow ... _of_Canada
Keep NAFTA
Refuse negotations with USA about it and before the election create a penalty of 50Billion Dollars if either party trys to cancle it with out negoiation
Toro @ Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:34 pm
tritium tritium:
I was reading an interesting article about NAFTA posted by the Canadian Action Party, who I am starting to hope gets a better foot hold in Canada.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/44/085.htmlCanadian oil, if Canadians wanted to keep more for ourselves, and stop the gas shortages, we can't. Under NAFTA, we have an obligation to provide our resources to the United States first before our own citizens, failing to do so would cost Canada billions in fines.
Should Canada kill NAFTA??
There is nothing in NAFTA that says Canada must continue to sell to the US first. If there is, please show me the link in the NAFTA agreement, because I've repeatedly heard this on the Left, and yet when asked, not one single person has ever been able to show me where in NAFTA it says this.
Here is the NAFTA agreement.
http://www-tech.mit.edu/Bulletins/nafta.html
What NAFTA says is that if Canada
slaps on export controls, Canada is obligated to continue to export to the US the same proportion of energy
relative to reserves as it has over the past 36 months.
Thus, one would think that if there are actual shortages in Canada, that means supplies and thus reserves are dwindling.
Here is the energy provision of NAFTA
http://www-tech.mit.edu/Bulletins/Nafta/06.energy
Canada does not have to sell a drop of oil to the US (though that is a practical commercial impossibility). If some non-American company offered to come and pay $200 per barrel of oil, Canadian companies could sell every drop of oil to them for that price. There is nothing in NAFTA that prevents Canadian or Canadian-based companies from doing so.
Toro @ Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:37 pm
Keemo Keemo:
Today 108.140 !!!!!
I've nor seen gas that cheap in a long time.
Today 117.160
Yesterday 117.163
One Week Ago 113.533
One Month Ago 106.996
One Year Ago 102.231
But NAFTA does not just affect oil, it affects all our resources, water, timber, coal etc. Between NAFTA and the so called Softwood lumber deal, BC has been getting screwed, without even the decency to use KY. Raw logs getting shipped south and sawmill after sawmill closing down.
Kill NAFTA? hell yes, nuke it.
Yeah, as if rising oil prices have anything to do with NAFTA.
Toro @ Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:44 pm
Canadaka Canadaka:
I honestly don't know, it seems that to drop it now would be next to impossible. Wether or not it was a good thing is debateable, I don't know enough about it. It seems Canada has had a great last 10 - 15 years of economic growth, how much did NAFTA have to do with that? I don't know.
Oil is a different issue for me. I wish that a NEP went through

I don't understand why a country that exports oil has to be at the mercy of world oil prices. We need more refineries and to be oil self sufficient ant set our own market price. If we had a NEP this might have happened and we might still have $0.36 gas prices. But of course the green in me says that might not be a good thing, heh.
The green in you should be hoping for $300 a barrel of oil, because that would certainly kill demand and dramatically slow greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere!
Why should an oil-exporting country be at the mercy of world oil prices? Are you saying that we should fix the price at a
higher price? And if not, why not? Why shouldn't Canadians pay a higher price of oil? Should Canadians have paid a much higher price for oil, say $50, when it was $10?
Or, put another way, why should those who work in the oil business and the provinces that benefit from high oil prices subsidize the rest of the country?
Toro @ Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:46 pm
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
mtbr mtbr:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
Republic of Alberta? lmfao.
I find it hilarious how pissed of Albertans would be to get their province back.
explain

Alberta's Economy is virtually OWNED by the United States of America.
Getting their right to their own oil back = A lot of very pissed off Albertans.
So Alberta could join the US then. Problem solved.
Benoit @ Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:56 pm
The search for fairer trade passes by NAFTA (ALENA).
alana @ Sat May 03, 2008 8:11 am
YES! Get rid of NAFTA. Amd stop a lot more of the global trads. Look after Canadians first!