An apology and concession to Derby X
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RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:28 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
You gave no proof, definitive or otherwise. Of the list, please explain why equating blacks with apes makes one a Christian. You may ignore the others if you so choose. But please explain that one.
His words, his writings and his actions make him Xtian. Hitler interpreted the bible to say hat the aryan race was "created" by special creation while "other races" were evolved.
BTW, just because you ignore the proof doesn't mean it isn't there.
Mustang1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:29 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
lily lily:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Tman1 Tman1:
lily lily:
$1:
Which god?
God. There is only one. Some call Him Allah, others call Him Yahweh. Whatever - He's still the same being.
The Ancient Greeks would beg to differ. As well, the Mesopotamians, the Ancient Persians, the Sumerians, Babylonians, Romans...etc etc.
They beg to differ?
Your point would be? How does that discredit what I said?
Umm my point would be that civilization before Christianity believed in "more" than one God as History deems. So how would Christianity compared to religions before it claim to have "one" God?
Good point, Tman. Evidently some one needs some rudimentary understanding on the development of belief structures like polytheism and monotheism – both of which still possess significance in today’s world
canucker @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:31 pm
lily lily:
Tman1 Tman1:
Umm my point would be that civilization before Christianity believed in "more" than one God as History deems. So how would Christianity compared to religions before it claim to have "one" God?
Some people today believe in more than one god... how is that relevant to the discussion here? I was merely saying that the God of Judaism, Islam and Christianity is one and the same.
I think, and I could be wrong, that Tman1 just means that other groups in the past, believed in more than just one god, they believed in many different gods (Sun god, moon god, etc.).
Tman1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:32 pm
lily lily:
Tman1 Tman1:
Umm my point would be that civilization before Christianity believed in "more" than one God as History deems. So how would Christianity compared to religions before it claim to have "one" God?
Some people today believe in more than one god... how is that relevant to the discussion here? I was merely saying that the God of Judaism, Islam and Christianity is one and the same.
Lily, its relevant to this discussion here because you said there was one God and only one God, are you telling me your own words are irrelevant here? Yes some people believe in more than one God now but think on how those people are percieved in Christian eyes...not to well I would think.
Mustang1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:33 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
You gave no proof, definitive or otherwise. Of the list, please explain why equating blacks with apes makes one a Christian. You may ignore the others if you so choose. But please explain that one.
His words, his writings and his actions make him Xtian. Hitler interpreted the bible to say hat the aryan race was "created" by special creation while "other races" were evolved.
BTW, just because you ignore the proof doesn't mean it isn't there.
Interesting… was Urban II a Christian? What’s Torquemada’s religion? What about Roderigo Borgia? And Julius II? Or his successor, Leo X? Can one call Luther a Christian? Or Calvin? Was Zwingli a legitimate Christian? Hernan Cortes? How about Cromwell? Robespierre? Abraham Lincoln?
Did they display Christian-like qualities?
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:34 pm
$1:
Oh... so it was his interpretation...
You're now claiming that Hitler was infallible? Laughing
His actions don't make him a Christian... nor do his writings. C'mon, don't jam on me now. You posted that list... defend it. You insisted I read it... I suggest you explain why you feel it proves his faith. Inter-racial marriages are wrong? Blacks are little better than apes? Jesus was an Aryan?
You're now claiming that Hitler was infallible? Laughing
His actions don't make him a Christian... nor do his writings. C'mon, don't jam on me now. You posted that list... defend it. You insisted I read it... I suggest you explain why you feel it proves his faith. Inter-racial marriages are wrong? Blacks are little better than apes? Jesus was an Aryan?
You are truly pushing the limits of stupidity. I don't need to. his belief in jesus as the lord is whatmakes him Xtian. Only your pathetic logic can state that I am saying that Hitler is infallible. It proves his faith by stating what he belived in.
What makes your god infallible?
I WILL ASK YOU THIS ONE MORE TIME. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHO IS XTIAN AND WHO IS NOT?
RUEZ;
the Dictionary lists several meanings (if there are) for every word. Everyone of those meanings is attributed to that word or are you disputing basic english.
It is simple. Hitler was Xtian because of his belief that jesus cchrist was the son of god. That alone is a defining characteristic. The rest is just bullshit judgement made by you and lily.
canucker @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:35 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
I WILL ASK YOU THIS ONE MORE TIME. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHO IS XTIAN AND WHO IS NOT?
Wasn't this not already answered by her?
Tman1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:38 pm
canucker canucker:
lily lily:
Tman1 Tman1:
Umm my point would be that civilization before Christianity believed in "more" than one God as History deems. So how would Christianity compared to religions before it claim to have "one" God?
Some people today believe in more than one god... how is that relevant to the discussion here? I was merely saying that the God of Judaism, Islam and Christianity is one and the same.
I think, and I could be wrong, that Tman1 just means that other groups in the past, believed in more than just one god, they believed in many different gods (Sun god, moon god, etc.).
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:38 pm
$1:
Interesting… was Urban II a Christian? What’s Torquemada’s religion? What about Roderigo Borgia? And Julius II? Or his successor, Leo X? Can one call Luther a Christian? Or Calvin? Was Zwingli a legitimate Christian? Hernan Cortes? How about Cromwell? Robespierre? Abraham Lincoln?
Did they display Christian-like qualities?
Did they display Christian-like qualities?
Once again, Mustang1 provides valuable historical insight.
Hitler murdered the jews but you will find that he acquired his prejudices at the teachings of The Viennese Christian Socialist movement.
His treatment of the jews was a result of Xtian attitudes and was held by the pope (ask jews about the popes silence during the holocaust).
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:38 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
Oh... so it was his interpretation...
You're now claiming that Hitler was infallible? Laughing
His actions don't make him a Christian... nor do his writings. C'mon, don't jam on me now. You posted that list... defend it. You insisted I read it... I suggest you explain why you feel it proves his faith. Inter-racial marriages are wrong? Blacks are little better than apes? Jesus was an Aryan?
You're now claiming that Hitler was infallible? Laughing
His actions don't make him a Christian... nor do his writings. C'mon, don't jam on me now. You posted that list... defend it. You insisted I read it... I suggest you explain why you feel it proves his faith. Inter-racial marriages are wrong? Blacks are little better than apes? Jesus was an Aryan?
You are truly pushing the limits of stupidity. I don't need to. his belief in jesus as the lord is whatmakes him Xtian. Only your pathetic logic can state that I am saying that Hitler is infallible. It proves his faith by stating what he belived in.
What makes your god infallible?
I WILL ASK YOU THIS ONE MORE TIME. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHO IS XTIAN AND WHO IS NOT?
RUEZ;
the Dictionary lists several meanings (if there are) for every word. Everyone of those meanings is attributed to that word or are you disputing basic english.
It is simple. Hitler was Xtian because of his belief that jesus cchrist was the son of god. That alone is a defining characteristic. The rest is just bullshit judgement made by you and lily.
Mustang1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:40 pm
canucker canucker:
lily lily:
Tman1 Tman1:
Umm my point would be that civilization before Christianity believed in "more" than one God as History deems. So how would Christianity compared to religions before it claim to have "one" God?
Some people today believe in more than one god... how is that relevant to the discussion here? I was merely saying that the God of Judaism, Islam and Christianity is one and the same.
I think, and I could be wrong, that Tman1 just means that other groups in the past, believed in more than just one god, they believed in many different gods (Sun god, moon god, etc.).
Lots of contemporary faiths are monotheistic too. Hinduism and some aboriginal belief systems operate on this principle
deneb @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:40 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
Directly from dictionary.com
Fuuny thing is, you only have to meet 1 of those definitions
There is not a single one in this list that correspond to your definition of a Christian. Thus you just cannot convince us that Hitler was a Christian when no one here has the same definition of what is a Christian.
Until you prove that your definition is the only one, you cannot say that you're right and we're wrong.
Mustang1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:42 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:
I am sorry but you are wrong. You are not a christian simply because you believe Jesus was the son of God. Accept it.
Then I’ll pose this again, was Urban II a Christian? What’s Torquemada’s religion? What about Roderigo Borgia? And Julius II? Or his successor, Leo X? Can one call Luther a Christian? Or Calvin? Was Zwingli a legitimate Christian? Hernan Cortes? How about Cromwell? Robespierre? Abraham Lincoln?
Did they display Christian-like qualities?
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:42 pm
$1:
Wasn't this not already answered by her?
No. Her alternate claims that Hitler was not a Xtian contradicts her other statement that only her god can determine that. Otherwise she would say from the beginning that "Only (my) god can determine if Hitler was inded a Xtian."
She has not done this. She has stated that Hitler wasn't a Xtian (depite the mounatin of evidence that shows otherwise) based soley on her definition of a Xtian AND her judgement of their actions.
Lily,
"Judge not yest ye be judged". Sound Familiar?
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:44 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
RUEZ RUEZ:
I am sorry but you are wrong. You are not a christian simply because you believe Jesus was the son of God. Accept it.
Then I’ll pose this again, was Urban II a Christian? What’s Torquemada’s religion? What about Roderigo Borgia? And Julius II? Or his successor, Leo X? Can one call Luther a Christian? Or Calvin? Was Zwingli a legitimate Christian? Hernan Cortes? How about Cromwell? Robespierre? Abraham Lincoln?
Did they display Christian-like qualities?
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