An apology and concession to Derby X
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Mustang1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:56 pm
Matsu Matsu:
Re: Was Urban II a Christian...
There are two ways to answer this question. Yes and No.
By their own standards, and the standards of their times, yes they were. By current standards, no.
That's the problem with history. People insist on interpreting it according to current thinking.
There are two ways to answer this question. Yes and No.
By their own standards, and the standards of their times, yes they were. By current standards, no.
That's the problem with history. People insist on interpreting it according to current thinking.
Actually, true students of history (not the laypeople dabbling in quasi-history) try desperately to avoid that trap – hence the impetus behind my question sequence. If a Pope (or in my sequence, Popes) doesn’t stand up to one’s definition of Christian, then either that definition is truly problematic or one must evaluate the complexities of one’s specific temporal/cultural milieu before labelling them (which is why when legitimate historians label Hitler a Christian, it was a decision that wasn’t arrived quickly or without noted reservations – like Burleigh’s work).
The Hoser @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:00 pm
I can't believe the debate died before I had a chance to dive in :/ Somone post somthing really controversial to rekindle this thing, quick!
deneb @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:14 pm
$1:
Somone post somthing really controversial to rekindle this thing, quick!
Hehe... I think it's too late. Too much tension here.
Tman1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:18 pm
Hey anybody watch the Family Guy episode today?
deneb @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:20 pm
Yeah I saw it. It was a good one. Never saw it before.
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:28 pm
$1:
Hey anybody watch the Family Guy episode today?
I'd do meg!
Tman1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:38 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
Hey anybody watch the Family Guy episode today?
I'd do meg!
You drunk?
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:40 pm
Absolutely but did you see her?
Sure she is a cartoon and we'd have that between us but meh. I'd do her.
Blue_Nose @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:42 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Absolutely but did you see her?
Sure she is a cartoon and we'd have that between us but meh. I'd do her.
Sure she is a cartoon and we'd have that between us but meh. I'd do her.
don't let that extra dimension come between what could be a beautiful relationship, Derby!
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:43 pm
I won't.
I just need to get myself written into American Dad and I'm all set!
Regina @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:45 pm
Holy CRAP!!!!!!! That's the quickest 15 pages of posts I ever seen. 
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:48 pm
A spirited discussion. Very invigorating! I didn't even realize it was so much until it was pointed out.
Blue_Nose @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:52 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
A spirited discussion. Very invigorating! I didn't even realize it was so much until it was pointed out.
That's because the relevant and original arguments would fit on one or two pages.... that's the problem with these debates... it degrades into logic vs. emotion.
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:59 pm
Actually logic and emotion were very basic to this thread.
Who has the right to define Xtianity? Shephersdog, Lily, and Ruez felt that they were morally allowed to define Xtianity and to qualify who was allowed to call themselves Xtian and who was not. I used written word and verifiable evidence and they used there own personal Xtian yardstick.
Tman1 @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:07 pm
Can a Christian answer this:
$1:
Aren't Christians baptised? So if your baptised doesn't that make you Christian period?
Are these people not raised in Christian family's and raised on Christian values? Would that not make you Christian?
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