An apology and concession to Derby X
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DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:52 pm
$1:
ehh no i'm not a separatist. Too much beer tonight DerbyX eh?
No. I know quite well you aren't but how would you like it if someone said you weren't (over your assertions) because you didn't fit their federalist definitiuon?
I was making a point and guessed right that you did not spot it.
$1:
It isn't true that we have nothing... you're not being fair. I for one said what I said based on my personal opinions, it's true... but you still couldn't find any fact that would have made me realize that my opinions were invalid.
Your definition of a christian is not THE definition... or maybe it is? If it is then prove it.
Your definition of a christian is not THE definition... or maybe it is? If it is then prove it.
My definition is pretty elementary. You, Lily and Reuz are ignoring hitlers own beliefs because they don't fit your personal criteria (morally based).
My defintion is the accepted defintion by virtually every other person, in order to be a Xtian you must believe that jesus christ is the son of god and accept him as your lord. Entire churches are based on that proncipal, yet you and lily, and others have assigned a grading system to belief. If you pass (your) rade then you are Xtian, if not then.......
My judgement is based on the person own beliefs. Yours is based entirerly on how you interpret their actions.
A fundemental difference.
I'll ask, what religion was Hitler closet too? Xtianity, Muslim, Jewidh, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist.
Hitler had as much right to call himself a Xtian as Lily, Shepherdsdog or you.
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:00 pm
You know Derby, you should do a google search on what is a christian. You will find there is not one site that will agree with your definition. Since you seem to think the information i put forward is my own opinion and moral beliefs, look around. I find it offensive that you would label someone who was so obviously evil, and hatefull a christian. I think Lily said this allready, but really only God can actually judge a person worthy of being a christian. And since I'm not God I have to go with a more earthly definition. What is a Christian?
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:10 pm
$1:
A true Christian is a person who has put his or her faith and trust in the person of Jesus Christ and fact that He died on the cross as payment for sins and rose again on the third day to obtain victory over death and to give eternal life to all who believe in Him. John 1:12 tells us: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.” A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Christ. The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4; 1 John 2:10).
That defines Hitler. He believed that entirely. He believed in god and his son and the other bullshit you Xtians try to deceive us with.
He believed in your god. He believd in your saviour. He believed in your bible. That is what makes him a Xtian, just like you. I suggest you actually read the bible before you proclaim yourself Xtian. I suggest you actually learn to think for yourself to decide the truths of the universe before accepting bullshit Xtian dogma.
BTW, your god is a myth, nothing more.
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:14 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
A true Christian is a person who has put his or her faith and trust in the person of Jesus Christ and fact that He died on the cross as payment for sins and rose again on the third day to obtain victory over death and to give eternal life to all who believe in Him. John 1:12 tells us: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.” A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Christ. The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4; 1 John 2:10).
That defines Hitler. He believed that entirely. He believed in god and his son and the other bullshit you Xtians try to deceive us with.
He believed in your god. He believd in your saviour. He believed in your bible. That is what makes him a Xtian, just like you. I suggest you actually read the bible before you proclaim yourself Xtian. I suggest you actually learn to think for yourself to decide the truths of the universe before accepting bullshit Xtian dogma.
BTW, your god is a myth, nothing more.
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:14 pm
lily lily:
$1:
The mark of a true Christian is love for others...
Yup... that's Hitler to a "T".
deneb @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:15 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
No. I know quite well you aren't but how would you like it if someone said you weren't (over your assertions) because you didn't fit their federalist definitiuon?
I was making a point and guessed right that you did not spot it.
Oh... hmm, in all honesty that's a little weak no? I don't know if you want me to believe this... anyway, who cares
DerbyX DerbyX:
My definition is pretty elementary. You, Lily and Reuz are ignoring hitlers own beliefs because they don't fit your personal criteria (morally based).
My criterias are also written in the bible if i'm not mistaken. "Thou shall not kill" is a commandement... you cannot interpret it that much. Even with all the contradictions, the evangile message still remains a message of love at it's core. (I know it's hard to believe I am not a religious person after reading this last sentence...)
DerbyX DerbyX:
My defintion is the accepted defintion by virtually every other person, in order to be a Xtian you must believe that jesus christ is the son of god and accept him as your lord. Entire churches are based on that proncipal, yet you and lily, and others have assigned a grading system to belief. If you pass (your) rade then you are Xtian, if not then.......
Oh! How strange... every other persons except some who participate in this thread share the same definition than you? Interesting... but I doubt it. Did you ask people you know before saying something like that? I personnaly cannot say if my definition is also the one of virtually every other persons because I didn't ask them. But hey you look confident enough...
DerbyX DerbyX:
I'll ask, what religion was Hitler closet too? Xtianity, Muslim, Jewidh, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist.
My opinon didn't change. I think Hitler was a broken christian. He thought he was doing the right thing and that he was a good little Christian... but he didn't, he was mistaken. Who am I to say something like that? Once again : "Thou shall not kill"
I'll sleep on it... goodnight
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:16 pm
$1:
Derby X,
I said earlier, that I was an agnostic. I've also stated that I don't think Jesus was the Son of God. By your definition of wwhat makes a Christian a Christian, you can't label me as such. You say that because someone is raised in a "Christian"culture then they must be Christian. Where were you raised? How can you as a non Christian, then pass judgement on something you claim not to be part of. Based on this logic I can ask the question is Paul Martin a liberal. He's the head of the party but is he a liberal? He calls himself one, he shares some of their values, but not all, and he is a fiscal conservative. But, can we call him a liberal
I said earlier, that I was an agnostic. I've also stated that I don't think Jesus was the Son of God. By your definition of wwhat makes a Christian a Christian, you can't label me as such. You say that because someone is raised in a "Christian"culture then they must be Christian. Where were you raised? How can you as a non Christian, then pass judgement on something you claim not to be part of. Based on this logic I can ask the question is Paul Martin a liberal. He's the head of the party but is he a liberal? He calls himself one, he shares some of their values, but not all, and he is a fiscal conservative. But, can we call him a liberal
You pull this out now?
No, being raised Xtian does not make someone Xtian, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO BE.
Professing belief in god and that jesus was the son of god is what makes someone Xtian. Do you and Lily and Deneb want it in French? Spanish?
You are all saying that you may persoanally invalidate a persons own belief that they are Xtian based on nothing more then your own moral yardstick.
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:18 pm
BARE WITH ME
ShepherdsDog @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:19 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
ehh no i'm not a separatist. Too much beer tonight DerbyX eh?
Hitler had as much right to call himself a Xtian as Lily, Shepherdsdog or you.
I've never called myself a Christian and have stated that I'm not on several occasions. I've even used your criteria about what makes someone a Christian and I don't think I fit it. How can you make that determination that I am a Christian, because you say I am? Slow down on the brews.
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:24 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
ehh no i'm not a separatist. Too much beer tonight DerbyX eh?
Hitler had as much right to call himself a Xtian as Lily, Shepherdsdog or you.
I've never called myself a Christian and have stated that I'm not on several occasions. I've even used your criteria about what makes someone a Christian and I don't think I fit it. How can you make that determination that I am a Christian, because you say I am? Slow down on the brews.
canucker @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:27 pm
Excuse me if this has been said, and it probably has, but I'm not going to go back and read all the posts, but this is how I see it...
Hitler claimed to be Christian but didn't act in a Christian way. Therefore, in his eyes he thinks he's a Christian but in reality, he is not.
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:28 pm
This is what I think some of us have been trying to say. In sum, Christ makes a Christian a Christian.
RUEZ @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:28 pm
canucker canucker:
Excuse me if this has been said, and it probably has, but I'm not going to go back and read all the posts, but this is how I see it...
Hitler claimed to be Christian but didn't act in a Christian way. Therefore, in his eyes he thinks he's a Christian but in reality, he is not.
That is exactly right. IMO
Hitler claimed to be Christian but didn't act in a Christian way. Therefore, in his eyes he thinks he's a Christian but in reality, he is not.
DerbyX @ Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:41 pm
$1:
Your an idiot, i think that explains everything. Now idiot if you read some posts back you'll see that I don't claim to be an christian. I guess you skipped that part that says "The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word"
First. Fuck you. 2nd, Who validate what exactly is gods word? Who validates who is following it? Are you? Is Lily? The mark of a Xtian is the belief in jesus christ as the lord. Thats all.
Lily wrote:
$1:
Yup... that's Hitler to a "T". Rolling Eyes
How are you a Xtian. Answer just once,
$1:
My opinon didn't change. I think Hitler was a broken christian. He thought he was doing the right thing and that he was a good little Christian... but he didn't, he was mistaken. Who am I to say something like that? Once again : "Thou shall not kill"
Ahhhh. A broken Xtian eh? Still a Xtian though eh?
Thou shall not kill eh?. break this and you are not a Xtian. Every soldier who has jkilled is not a Xtian. Every cop, hell evem if I save a buch of little kiddies from being gunned down by shooting the gunmen I am going to hell. You simplistic bastard.
$1:
Oh! How strange... every other persons except some who participate in this thread share the same definition than you? Interesting... but I doubt it. Did you ask people you know before saying something like that? I personnaly cannot say if my definition is also the one of virtually every other persons because I didn't ask them. But hey you look confident enough...
Take it to the polls but when you start gradiung Xtians (by your personal yardstick) then don't be surprised at the results. I am wiling to bet that if you ask people if belief in jesus as the lord makes someone a Xtian uou will get a majority yes or find no Xtians snywhere on earth.
$1:
My criterias are also written in the bible if i'm not mistaken. "Thou shall not kill" is a commandement... you cannot interpret it that much. Even with all the contradictions, the evangile message still remains a message of love at it's core. (I know it's hard to believe I am not a religious person after reading this last sentence...)
Do you really want to hold that sick twisted book up to literal interpretation.
you are asking for a fucking world of hurt.
I have already shown where the bible commands fathers to burn their daughters. Is that Xtian? The bible says it. I believe it. That settles it Sound familair?
$1:
Oh... hmm, in all honesty that's a little weak no? I don't know if you want me to believe this... anyway, who cares
In all honesty you are not that intelligent. If you were truly Canadian you would join the separatists. thats the best thing you could do for our side because you can't possible aid us.
You still have only a moral argument that Hitler has not met your personal (and grossly misinformed) Xtian beliefs in order for him to be considered Xtian.
His own writings and beliefs say otherwise. For you to question his beliefs you must conclude that any single person can dismiss yours for any reason they want. To ignore Hitlers connections to Xtianity is to ignore history.
DerbyX @ Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:14 am
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That's not all. Why are you still beating this to death? Several links have been posted showing there's more to being a Christian, but you refuse to read them.
Bu;;shit. The dictionary link? By your defintion no one is Xtian. Hitler still followed the same faith as you., assuming you consider yourself Xtian.
$1:
I've already answered this several times. That you ignored it each time is not my problem.
YOU FUCKING REFUSE EVERYTIME and instead add that you have. Humour me and list it agian.
What you said was those who believe and follow jesus's teachings but you will not ciommit yourself to listing any criteria. If you post your personal criteria for any human to be considerd Xtian I will be sure to read. If you don't post it then you are lying, nothing more.
$1:
I find it interesting that you continually claim that I and several others feel we have the right to say who is and isn't a Christian, based on our own morals (that we didn't mention morals seems beside the point to you). However... isn't that what you're doing? You feel perfectly comfortable making the claim that he was in fact a Christian simply because he said so - which conforms to your own belief as to how it works.
Does that not seem a little odd to you... that you hold yourself to a different standard? Wink
Does that not seem a little odd to you... that you hold yourself to a different standard? Wink
Dayseed and Mustang1 are right. You are a complete fucking moron.
My criteria is based on a persons beliefs, whether they are good or bad. You are the one who is stating your own moroal opinion on who is allowed to be Xtian. My is based on a persons own beliefs and yours is based entirely on how you interpret that persona actions as adhering to Xtian teschings as you see them. No wonder your entire religion is fucking shite, you allthink that you are gods ownman deterimining who is worthy and who isn't.
Hitler beleived in your fucking god. Hitler believed in your jesus as his son. Hitler beleived in you hevaen and your hell. hitler murdered jews because that is what Xtians believed back hten. Its Xtian apologetics like you who gave rise to Hitler. Hitler was a Xtain because he believed in what all you Xtians believed. Don't like it? Tough? Accept it. He read the same bible you did. He was as much a Xtian as you are.
There is not thing one you can do to change that. All your dancing is your own personal "I am god bullshit". Hitler was Xtian and it kills you to know this.
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