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She's not the Queen of England Msr Crusty. England isn't an independent nation with its own Queen. Check your labels and use the correct terms please, it will add to your credibility.

She is however the Queen of Canada, despite the Québécois best efforts. A link to the past? Sure, but it it's Canada's past and we have a great history, regardless of revisionist social historians and Quebec, and the rest of the reluctant Canadians who want a faceless society.

Ut incepit Fidelis sic permanet

   

Who IS the "Queen of England", then? Posh Spice? Elton John?

http://royalhistory.com/england/monarch ... bethii.htm



The fact that she may also be "Queen of the UK", and, in a larger sense, "Queen of the Commonwealth," seems less than relevant... you guys didn't vote for her, nor did you vote for Adrienne Clarkson... eh?

   

Wow, purposeful misunderstanding of facts and reality. Way to go Jean/Karra...your inadequacies are showing.

   

... a response, Rev B., most noticeably devoid of fact or logic. Was I WRONG about Lizzie being the Canuckois head of state? I think not. So much for your vaunted "sovereignty." Given the chance, Alberta might, I surmise, bolt you and become #51 in a trice, as I'm sure you all well know.

You wanna accuse me again of being a credulous watcher of Fox News and reader of Ann Coultish? Puh-leeze. How simple you bloody lefties are. Yes, we all know dumbfuckyanks are inbred cousin-marriers, ignorant of international news and all, but funny how this one knows who Adrienne Clarkson and Ralph Klein and John Howard are.

   

Any fool, including you Jean/Karra, knows that royalty are not elected. They also know that the monarchy is a figurehead, not a part of the working government. Anybody who has looked into what the Governor General really does knows that it is really a PR position. If you doubt the value of that, just look at how seriously major corporations take public relations.

Trying to construe the Queen or the Governor General as having any real power in Canada is ridiculous. It can be done only out of complete ignorance of our governmental system or as an attempt to sew the seeds of mistruth.

   

Hey bmacsys: Yeah I read the book. It discusses "War Plan Red", which was devised about seventy years ago. However, this is not the main subject of the book. Rudmin's main focus is on the 10th Mountain Division of the U.S. Army, based at Fort Drum in upstate New York. Despite its misleading name, the 10th Mountain Division's main specialty is urban combat. Interestingly, the nearest major city to Fort Drum is Ottawa. There are no other major cities anywhere near Fort Drum. So rather than these plans gathering dust in some filing cabinet at the Pentagon, as you imply, they appear to have been revised on an ongoing basis and are presently fully up to date! In any event, I would imagine that the 10th Mountain Division has its hands full in Iraq to be much of a worry to us right now. And yes, I agree with you that military planners the world over are paid to make plans for farfetched scenarios....

As for your plans for a North American "country", well...maybe your motives are honest, so I can respect that, but you could try being a little more diplomatic and respectful in the way you present them to us.

Personally, I'm not interested in this new country you propose, macsys. It still seems like Fantasyland to me. Get back to me when the U.S. has a humane health-care system and has done something to rein in its out-of-control gun culture.

Good luck!

   

http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html

This is crazy stuff and this brings us back to my original assertion ... we need a real military to intimidate everyone and anyone that would consider invasion as an option for whatever reason.

   

- Do Canadians carefully consider our strategic position geographically in areas such as:
a) where should our military bases be?
b) Is our military an intelligent, uniquely Canadian military?
c) are our munitions, equipment and vehicle plants situated strategically for a sustained resistance?
d) Do we have a plan to access natural resources for a sustained resistance?
e) Is our capital situated correctly and where our military and civilian leaders to go in the event of an invasion?
f) Is our military able to repel such an invasion at least for a time?

We should consider these things.
The capital city of Brazil was created in the middle of nowhere (in the late 1950's) because Brazil suffered a number of nasty invasions by a variety of nations after its independence. The city is situated 1000 km inland.
In WWII, Russia was able to hold off the Germans for years because the factories were 1000's of KM's away from the front.

During WWII, Canada fielded one million troops, thousands of ships, hundreds of Tanks and planes. We moved mountains but were only able to do so because we lived so far from the battle.

   

Ok, 1st we have 2 different currencies with two radically different fiscal policies. The debt the US taxpayer has to eventually pay is many times greater than our own, per capita wise. If we were to adopt their dollar we also adopt their massive monetary mistakes. If they show some fiscal planning, pay down the debt, rejuvenate the dollar, equalized the trade deficit and get the national saving above 1% you might have something but even then I would dare say that the price of signing over our banks to a system that can never be held accountable by the people who pay for it is not sound economics.

This whole new country your referring to will be governed by the US no matter what and that means stuff like the victory act (Patriot part II) is going to be here as well. Here are just some of the sections of that act:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who " may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as " terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contemp charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: " this is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of " surveillance without a court order."

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime."

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to totally break down any and all walls of privacy.

The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures ­ has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities.

I am not going to encourage this sort of behavior by silent endorsement. I should not feel as if it's our only choice and I certainly can not be convinced that this is rational behavior in any way, shape or form. This is madness and it has to stop and the best way to do that is by leading by example not collaboration. If this uber nation,or the North American trade block, develops we will all be living in America without the right to do a thing about it. The Austrian idea of just going along got them massacred, our fate will be no different and we will deserve what we get if we get talked into this.

The Euro is now 1.35 if we were going to hitch our wagon to any economy but our own why would we hitch it to the tree stump that the American economy has become? They have a booming economy right? A DOW in the 10,000's and the EURO relies on trade but the price of oil is pegged to the dollar and the EU no longer needs to export any more. Especially if Turkey and the Ukraine join. In real dollars the US has shrunk in value massively. See for yourself.

Remember ENRON? Fannie Mae will dwarf that with Trillion dollars of debt. Fannie is the tip of a massive iceberg of debt.

   

Nice, Scape, you do your homework well. I liked your post; keep up the good work on setting people straight!

   

Hey mcpuck, thanks for the link you put up on War Plan Red. I'd never read the full text before. Crazy stuff indeed!...

bmacsys: I hope you take the time to read Scape's post. He raises a number of good points which might help you understand why we aren't in a stampede to be absorbed by America.

   

Well, Canada has it's own Patriot-type Act to worry about...

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/docume ... sm_Act.pdf

   

NO, EyeBrock, she isnt the Queen of Canada, despite your Brite efforts do do so. Quebec has nothing to do with it, its the PEOPLE of Canada. So screw your own credibility. So shut your own face and this faceless society.

   

Pardon my grammar.

   

I read that, Vanni, and you know what I think about all this? I think the government is more worried about being overthrown by the people! It's not about terrorism; it's about control.

   

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