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...and now you see the point of this discussion...

   

I would think you would have the common sense to know I was talking in present-tense. We all know about the war of 1812, but that happened 200 yrs ago, and it happened when the world was put together completely differently.

"I used the US as an example to make my point...and right away, you became defensive, and started blathering about how Canada wouldn't stand a chance...and several times I've said that you're probably right...but you blather on anyway...and then about how America would never attack Canada...well I wouldn't say never, but for the most part I agree...and to illustrate my point, I gave a few examples of how pissed off the US is with Canada right now..."

--Anyway...as to the annexation of Canada...well just look at how well they're doing in Iraq, a much smaller and less developed nation...after Canada mustered for war, there would be no way that the Americans could defeat us...unless they tactically nuked our cities...but I think that would just piss us off even more...

You do know that your post contridict each other. In one you talk about how Canada would fall really fast in present military, and in another you say that there's no way the Americans could defeat you if you mustered for war. My whole post have basically been pointing out that YES the Americans could beat you if you mustered for war, given their bigger army and larger economy.

After that, I never really made much of a response to your whole hypothetical post except to say that I don't care if Canada builds up their defense. I find your post here to be rather self-absorbed, because alot of my post have been directed at what others have said, yet from your post you would have people believe that I suddenly went off right after you wrote your hypothetical post, and started getting all defensive. Not True.

First two interactions we had were:

You Said:
Just watched FahrenHype 9/11 tonight...

I think it's important to see both sides of the coin and make your own damn judgement on this...

Having said that...what a crock of shit this movie is...

Ann Coulter, who is featured prominently in this movie, is a hardcore right-wing neocon nutjob...I'll bet she wears barbed wire undergarments...

A good part of the movie is dedicated to trying to sell how great the Patriot Act is...and the only President that ever gets bad mouthed in this movie is Clinton...

Their intent was to debunk what Moore was trying to portray, but in my mind, it was only reinforced...

Anyway...as to the annexation of Canada...well just look at how well they're doing in Iraq, a much smaller and less developed nation...after Canada mustered for war, there would be no way that the Americans could defeat us...unless they tactically nuked our cities...but I think that would just piss us off even more...

And I said:
Umm, no offense, but you do know that the only reason the US is having problems in Iraq is because they are trying to win the peace and implement a government. If there was a war with Canada(as has been discussed MANY times here)it would depend on what the US is trying to do. If the US is trying to win the peace(which it would have to have a reason for wanting to do)they would probably lose because that is hard for ANY country to do. If the US and Canada were just going at it militarily, do you honestly think that Canada's army is a army that could defeat the American army? The US manpower is bigger than Canada's population, the US economy is bigger, and the US air power is stronger. I do no mean any offense, but do you honestly think that if Canada prepared for war(which they would have to do with the US attacking them)that they would defeat the Americans? Currently the US spends BILLIONS of dollars on their military(probably 1/3 of Canada's GDP). I'm not trying to say we should start a war, or that I'm entirely proud of my country's love for war, but I think your assumption that Canada would defeat the US is ridiculous.

Even if Canada has plans, the US has a decent intelligence service(whens it's actually used right Laughing )plus many ways to watch what Canada is doing from space. Hmm, there might be a decent battle, but you have to remember that in any major battles, numbers are what usually matters, and the US has that on their side. As far as training goes, the US has a pretty advanced training program, an advanced command structure, and overall is up there with the best as far as militaries go(there's no way to compare because not many countries do missions which you try to win the peace in another country - so the whole "look how bad you guys are doing in Iraq" line doesn't really hold -- although you could bring up UN peacekeeping missions, but the US HAS done well in some of those also).

Thanks for taking my post out of context and trying to paint me a certain way though....

Maybe I should explain to you what I meant? I was basically saying that even if Canada prepares, the US has more money to spend and more people, plus alot of advanced equipment. You were saying that if Canada prepared for war(they don't have the money to match the US)there would be no way the United States could defeat you, and I thought that was untrue, so I posted about that, and the thread took off from there.

   

If that wasn't pointed at me, then I don't know who it was pointed too.

I hear the military wants to replace the frigates. Does anyone know why? I don't because they are mean fighting machines! Maybe they want the state of the art equipement, but I thought the frigates were state of the art. Harpoon missles for offense (120-130 mile range), sidewinder missles for defence (15 mile range), torpedoes for offence (4 mile range), missles that deploy tinfoil to fool radar guided incoming missles, forget the range on those though, R2D2, like a gatlin (sp) machine gun that fires 3000 rounds a minute, for missle threats, and the gun on the deck, which is controlled by the control centre, and the turret is plastic - gives high speed manuevarability. The hull is so strong it can take a direct missle hit without fazing it, unless it is an armour piercing missle. They can travel 45 knots and come to a complete stop in under a minute.

   

Johnny, you cannot read, or it is something in your mind that makes you easily forget truths. It's one or the other, but no matter. You're talking about all this money that you have...really? Canada just put down $9.1 billion dollars on the debt. What kind of debt reduction has the U.S. done? Canada has also done this for the last 4 or 5 years. We can borrow that money back, if we want too you know.

   

Np, I confirm that you were not in the line of fire of that comment. I meant the people who are throwing around bigoted and extremists statements and trying to hide under the cover of being conservative. They are easy enough to pick out on this board. As for the frigates can you confirm that?

   

I'm not an economist, so I wouldn't know much of how that works, just that the US economy, population, and military is bigger than Canadas. Everytime you cut down my reading abilities, you make yourself look stupid, considering I can type, meaning I can read. I just have a different perspective. During World War 2, if I remember right, I remember the US going into debt. When you have a war to fight, your population numbers and military equipment availibility usually make a big difference. It will take Canada years to get nere the US, and all the while the US will still be spending 370 billion on their military. Canada doesn't have a big enough economy to afford a huge military to defeat the US. All I'm talking about is a war between Canada and the US. If the US's debt problems were really effecting them as much as you are seeming to imply, wouldn't they be out of Iraq by now?

   

Bush is too stubborn for that, Johnny. He has put your country in a tremendous amount of debt; even I know that, but you don't? Something not right with that picture.

On the contrary, you look stupid, Johnny because you seemingly cannot read or do not wish to read the whole post. You see, I can read your mind too. Can't take it can you?

   

Now you're being ridiculous. This isn't the first time the US has been in debt, but I'll give you that it is a huge debt that needs to be dealt with. I've never claimed to be able to read minds, I just made observations from your post. If your observation from my post is that I can't read, then obviously you are bad at reading minds....

I mean really, that had to be the lamest come back considering I am here typing stuff

I look stupid because I can obviously read, yet you keep claiming that I can't. Maybe I don't understand what you are getting at? What exactly ARE you getting at? That Canada can beat the US military? That Canada's economy is bigger than the US's? I know that Canada's economy is in better shape than the US's, but you are either an optimist, or a pessimist as far as what the future holds.

   

Confirm, what, Scape? That the military wants to replace them, or their capabilities? If capabilities, I watched it all on the Discovery Channel at about 3 in the morning. Amazing pieces of machinery, I assure you of that. They were on the HMCS Winnipeg, and during an exercise, fired 5, count them, 5 sidewinders simultaenously. No shit! All at imaginary incoming threats, of course, but it was a successful launch according to the captain; meaning they successfully destroyed all 5 threats.

Late edit here: Also, they have two power sources. Jet turbines that pump out 25000 lbs of thrust, and diesel. If they went on diesel power, the ships can basically go around the world without refueling. The jet turbines are a different matter. 187 litres of fuel they suck back for every kilometer. .6 miles for people that don't know what a kilometer is.

If replacement, I'll have to dig for it because it was either in the paper or on the radio.

Wanted to replace them in 2005, but will serve until 2010, at least that's the date for now

CADRE-Command and Control & Air Defence Capability Replacement

Sorry, Scape. After reading this, it looks like the media got it mixed up. I thought it was too early to replace them myself...that's why I was asking here.

I don't agree with the 55 km/h speed though. The captain of the HMCS Winnipeg was either lying, which I doubt, or this article isn't being truthful, which may be possible. According to what I watched and heard, the propellers are such a design that it is a military secret.

   

No, thank you Johnny...

Even without the proper format of quotations to be able to determine who said what, I think I've found the comment that set you off...



The part about Iraq obviously touched a nerve with you, and for that I apologize...

...and forgive the lack of smileys in the second part of this comment, but I would have thought that the end statement should have qualified it as something not to be taken seriously...I guess I'd misjudged your capacity to reason...

In hind sight, as to matters of the defense of my country, I guess I should have expected that an American would think that they have something to say on the subject...

   

No lamer than yours, Johnny. No lamer than yours. Again, I say, in bold this time, so you can see it, CAN'T TAKE IT CAN YOU?

   

I don't care about Canada setting up a defense for their country. I'm completely cool with it. All I was doing is showing you how the whole "debate" started, because you made it sound like you came in here talking about the defense of Canada, when in reality you came in saying that Canada could defeat the US because of how their performance in Iraq is going. I'm not taking it that seriously, but when you say something like that, and don't do it in a way that comes accross as a joke, I see something that is open for debate. Also, considering how you went about it, it really doesn't seem like you were joking to me, otherwise why didn't you say "oh, I was just joking"? You instead went on to list ways that Canada could defend themselves, and etc.

   

Can I take what? Your lame attempts to anger me?

   

Ahhh...doing the Rev thing....oops, no, Rev likes the rolling eyes. My bad.

   

I'm sorry Johnny...can we still be friends?

   

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