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Canada Annexed???
from the site: http://mediamatters.org/
Ann Coulter: Canada is "lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent"

Tucker Carlson: "Without the U.S., Canada is essentially Honduras, but colder and much less interesting"

Ann COULTER: "There is also something called, when you're allowed to exist on the same continent of the United States of America, protecting you with a nuclear shield around you, you're polite and you support us when we've been attacked on our own soil. They [Canada] violated that protocol."

Ann Coulter, "They don't even need to have an army, because they are protected, because they're on the same continent with the United States of America. If we were not the United States of America, Canada -- I mean, we're their trading partner. We keep their economy afloat."

I know they sound ridiculous but doesn't anyone find these people at all threatening to Canada?

What if this pattern continues and the country really does begin to debate (internally) the advantages of annexing Canada?

   

Just watched FahrenHype 9/11 tonight...

I think it's important to see both sides of the coin and make your own damn judgement on this...

Having said that...what a crock of shit this movie is...

Ann Coulter, who is featured prominently in this movie, is a hardcore right-wing neocon nutjob...I'll bet she wears barbed wire undergarments...

A good part of the movie is dedicated to trying to sell how great the Patriot Act is...and the only President that ever gets bad mouthed in this movie is Clinton...

Their intent was to debunk what Moore was trying to portray, but in my mind, it was only reinforced...

Anyway...as to the annexation of Canada...well just look at how well they're doing in Iraq, a much smaller and less developed nation...after Canada mustered for war, there would be no way that the Americans could defeat us...unless they tactically nuked our cities...but I think that would just piss us off even more...

   

Ummm... Afghanistan? You know, the people that actually attacked you? What a stupid bag.

   

Much ado about nothing.

I seen Coulter on Fox News when this was aired. Much of Coulter's time was spent laughing at Canada in a tongue in cheek way with off the cuff comments.

Interesting that Coulter's comments regarding the growing rift between the two countries didn't get quoted.

   

Different cultures for sure. Before moving south I didn't think so, I figured there wouldnt' be much difference at all but WOW. I don't know if the difference in aditude, or knowledg on certain issues, can be contributed completely to the different media in each country but something is causing a huge difference.

For example;

if Canada were ever to have a PM that even tried to get away with half the stuff Dubya/Cheney and company have pulled, I would hope we, as Canadians, would be civilized enough to lynch the motherfucker.

   

Of course .. this is all theory but shouldn’t we carefully consider their assertion that the USA is superior. Their view of the world is distorted and myopic. Their political system is corrupt. Their education system lacks comprehensiveness and continuity. Corporations run their country. The social welfare system is pathetic. There are more US citizens killed in US cities than are killed in Iraq each year. They are a mess. All these things make the USA unstable and unpredictable.
This is an interesting topic because it brings up many issues.
- Do Canadians carefully consider our strategic position geographically in areas such as:
a) where should our military bases be?
b) Is our military an intelligent, uniquely Canadian military?
c) are our munitions, equipment and vehicle plants situated strategically for a sustained resistance?
d) Do we have a plan to access natural resources for a sustained resistance?
e) Is our capital situated correctly and where our military and civilian leaders to go in the event of an invasion?
f) Is our military able to repel such an invasion at least for a time?

We should consider these things.
The capital city of Brazil was created in the middle of nowhere (in the late 1950's) because Brazil suffered a number of nasty invasions by a variety of nations after its independence. The city is situated 1000 km inland.
In WWII, Russia was able to hold off the Germans for years because the factories were 1000's of KM's away from the front.

During WWII, Canada fielded one million troops, thousands of ships, hundreds of Tanks and planes. We moved mountains but were only able to do so because we lived so far from the battle.

We could repel such an invasion if we prepared for it ahead of time.

This is what the US military will have to defeat - view at you leisure - http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/home_e.asp -

This modern military of Canada's is not large but it is deadly. It is very modern and very well trained.

The US military is finding it hard to deal with Iraq. The US military would have a very rough time up here. That would be just the beginning. NATO would have to be involved. I believe your military would eventually be crippled.

   

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... os/ca.html

I could see them making a play for us, if and when our government decriminalizes marijuana...much like they did in Panama...

I think Canada makes a big mistake in trusting that the US will not launch an invasion after they close the border to us...

I think that Canada needs to start taking our defense seriously, and take steps to increase our chances of repelling an invasion force...an increase in military spending on the order of 1 to 2 percent of GDP for starters...that 9.1bn surplus shows that it can be done...and with a little bit of fiscal responsibility, we'd have a sweet defense force...

I think that Canada should stop buying hand-me-down military equipment, and start producing defense equipment of their own...which in turn would bolster the economy...defense contracts are lucrative business I hear...

I think that Canada should have a conscription army, like that of Germany, where every citizen, after finishing high school, must complete 9 months of military service...that way, we would have a much larger standing army, and a massive reserve of relatively trained soldiers to call upon in time of need...

Whereas we do have a well trained armed forces, they are too few and too geographically separated to be an effective detterent to invasion...I think that the southerly location of most of our bases makes us vulnerable as well...and it would cost us our country to be so ill-prepared as we are right now...were they to invade us now, I believe it would be over in a matter of days...

Here's the Scenario: With just 3 Divisions (that's 30,000 to 45,000 troops) they would attack Edmonton, Ottawa, and Montreal, as 2 carrier battle groups sit offshore to disrupt shipping and put pressure on cities and bases on both coasts. Sorties from Grand Forks AFB take out airbases in Cold Lake and Bagotville and all along the way. All of this happens nearly simultaneously, as they sufficiently smash any hope of military resistance by Canadian forces...all of this could be accomplished in 2 to 3 days from the time the order to move out is given...and with our Capital and major cities, and most of our bases over-run, we'd be hard pressed to offer any effective resistance at all...the Alberta oilfields would be behind enemy lines, and the bastards would control the St. Lawrence Seaway and our Pacific and Atlantic harbours...the only place to effectively mount resistance would be Saskatchewan and Manitoba, or the Territories, perhaps, but there would be no time...having cut them off from the rest of the country, they could just wait it out...and because of the speed with which our defenses would fall, there would be no hope of help from other nations, unless it be Russia from the north...and then it would take weeks to mobilize a force sufficient to challenge the entrenched and reinforced US forces...

I think that any new bases that would be built in Canada to accomodate the conscription army that I have suggested, should be built above the 55th parallel...ready to respond to any threat, foreign or domestic...

I think that missile defense shield is a stupid idea...mainly because nobody hates us enough to nuke us, except for maybe the US...a better idea would be for Canada to set up beacons to broadcast coordinates to a missile's targetting system so any nukes flying in our airspace would be automatically redirected to Camp David...

I think that the capital of Canada should be resituated closer to the interior of the country...in Churchill perhaps...and in an effort to keep our government focussed, I think that any politician that acts in any interest other than Canada's best, should be dressed in seal-skin pants and left on an ice flow to be ravaged by hungry polar bears...we got 'em, we should use 'em...

I think that we need to stop thinking of ways to appease our neighbours to the south, and start being independent, unified and awfully damn proud to be Canadians...

   

However, in the unlikely event that Canada were to annex the US, I think it should be renamed this:

Free and Independent States and Territories of the Empire of Rupertsland...

...or FISTER for short...

   

Umm, no offense, but you do know that the only reason the US is having problems in Iraq is because they are trying to win the peace and implement a government. If there was a war with Canada(as has been discussed MANY times here)it would depend on what the US is trying to do. If the US is trying to win the peace(which it would have to have a reason for wanting to do)they would probably lose because that is hard for ANY country to do. If the US and Canada were just going at it militarily, do you honestly think that Canada's army is a army that could defeat the American army? The US manpower is bigger than Canada's population, the US economy is bigger, and the US air power is stronger. I do no mean any offense, but do you honestly think that if Canada prepared for war(which they would have to do with the US attacking them)that they would defeat the Americans? Currently the US spends BILLIONS of dollars on their military(probably 1/3 of Canada's GDP). I'm not trying to say we should start a war, or that I'm entirely proud of my country's love for war, but I think your assumption that Canada would defeat the US is ridiculous.

Even if Canada has plans, the US has a decent intelligence service(whens it's actually used right )plus many ways to watch what Canada is doing from space. Hmm, there might be a decent battle, but you have to remember that in any major battles, numbers are what usually matters, and the US has that on their side. As far as training goes, the US has a pretty advanced training program, an advanced command structure, and overall is up there with the best as far as militaries go(there's no way to compare because not many countries do missions which you try to win the peace in another country - so the whole "look how bad you guys are doing in Iraq" line doesn't really hold -- although you could bring up UN peacekeeping missions, but the US HAS done well in some of those also).

   

...sorry, but that is my only reaction to the whole "US military having trouble dealing with Iraq" lines. Iraq isn't a real "war" in the world war 2 sense, where cities were bombed, chaos everywhere, huge battlefronts with countries going against each other and a clear enemy; it's an operation in which the US is trying to hold together the peace to keep a government in. I don't think the US would have a rough time in Canada if they dropped MOAB's on the cities, used tactical nukes, bunker busters, and took out airbases. The way you make the US sound is like it's a third rate army or something(LOL). The US army might be having trouble in Iraq, but how about you give some details on all the Iraq-like situations that the modern Canadian army has won?

   

The Canadian Army has actually performed in many interesting roles within the former Yugoslavia.

refer to these:

http://www.cda-cdai.ca/library/medakpocket.htm

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... le&sid=397

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English ... ed=1&id=58

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFre ... 17912.html

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004 ... 93-cp.html

   

Another problem is that many conservatives in this country are afraid of the US and wouldn't want to defend Canada. They'd welcome them. There are alot of Canadians who aren't patriotic enough to defend this country.

   

I didn't say Canada's army has never done ANYTHING. I was saying give me some examples when Canada's recent army has been put into the same situations as the American army is in now. You all keep bringing up the Iraq issue like it means the American army sucks, and that Canada could beat the American army in a war. That is not true if you ask me, given the numbers of people in the US, the money put into training and other things in the US military. If they US went up against Russia or China, or the whole combined EU, plus Canada, I would then say "yeah, that would be a hard fight, given those countries have nukes." Canada doesn't have nukes, and their army is not as big as the US's, not to mention the US's man power is bigger than Canada's whole population. In a war between the US and Canada, the US, in my opinion, would slaughter Canada. Sure, there would be some hard fought battles, but I don't see how any country that spends as little of an amount on their military, and has a population that is only a tenth of another, can defeat them in the military, not to mention the military they would be going against is one of the most advanced in the world. I could bring up US military victories just like you could bring up Canadian military victories, but the facts remain that Canada has not been in a war like the one in Iraq, where road side bombs go off everywhere, the US is trying to create peace and can't kill huge numbers of people, and you don't know who your enemy is. So you actually think that, given a battlefield, and put the current US military(let's say Iraq doesn't exist, although the US could still probably put together enough forces, and they still have alot of soldiers in their military)on one side, and the Canadian military on the other, that Canada would defeat the US? That seems ridiculous. I didn't know Canada was known for having the greatest military in the world, that could kick the US's ass(who spends 1/3 of Canada's GDP on their military, and has a bigger military, not to mention nukes and more man power).

   

1. If the US is trying to win the peace, as you say, then they should stop killing so many thousand civilians...perhaps look to Canada's lesser trained and inferior armed forces for examples in that respect...(please disregard the unfortunate Somalia incident...they were adversely influenced by US Special Forces)

2. Do you think it would be any easier to tell friend from foe in a war against Canada?

3. The reason we haven't been in a war like Iraq, or Vietnam for that matter, is because we don't go around invading countries under false pretense...

   

As a side by side comparison .. The US army is no more advanced than the Canadian army. But, you are right about some things .. our military does not have nukes. Canada has had the ability to build and harbor nukes for as long as the US but have chosen not to create them. Nukes are fundamentally against our philosophy as a nation. Our military does not have a number of combat support units (such as an attack helicopter) like the US. That is a sad fact. Yes, the US does have the numbers and it would win the war. Of course you are right about that. That is my point.
Canada does have the money, technical ability and manufacturing talent to field a much more comprehensive less expensive uniquely Canadian military. As well, this can be accomplished without losing the interoperability that is required as a US partner.
Beyond all that, you mentioned that US troops are better trained than Canadian troops. That is simply not true. Canadian troops are not trained as specialists like their US counterparts. A Canadian soldier can use just about every weapon available to the infantry. The basic soldier is trained to use everything from anti-tank and air weapons to the C7. A friend of mine in the military compared the basic Canadian infantry soldier to be the equivalent of a US army ranger. My brother has been in the army for 15 years. They are trained relentlessly. The only time they do not train is when they are peacekeeping.
Now, you keep mentioning Iraq. That subject of Iraq makes me very sad. I do like average Americans very much and know some Iraqi-Canadians (Iraqis are very nice people). I feel bad for the average soldier in Iraq. There are a lot of heads being messed up over there. The fallout will become apparent in a few years. Anyway, Canada has been in Kabul for a few years now. I imagine you know that.
review this article: http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/298613.htm
Canadian troops face all that roadside bombing shit too.
But for the most part, we are not in situations like that for some good reasons. We did not go to Vietnam (except for 20,000 Canadians that joined the US military during that time and our special forces) or Iraq because it was not considered a "just war".
review this article when you can: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/justwar.htm
Canada must pick and chose its battles because we are so small. But, if you feel a need to press this issue, I would assert that Canadian soldiers would show a great deal more respect for the citizens of Iraq and established a peace far quicker than the US military has been able to. I believe this is simply a cultural thing.
We are a more tolerant, respectful, and benevolent people. I’m not saying this to offend Americans. I believe Americans are all that as well but there is a major difference. Our government and military share our values. The US government and its military do not have a congruent value system to their citizens.

   

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