Riots in France spread into Belgium and Germany.
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Tman1 @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:08 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Tman1 Tman1:
Heh, maybe it's time Canada had a few. I wonder if it would make it in the In brief news on CNN.
Be careful what you wish for.
Don't worry, my wishes never come true but your right I don't think I'd like the kind of riots the French have but rather sports related as mentioned above.
GunRunner @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:09 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thus starts another Muslim takeover attempt in Europe.
This is the European intifada.
Give it a little while and we'll see it start in the USA and then Canada.
This is the European intifada.
Give it a little while and we'll see it start in the USA and then Canada.
This is not Europa........ those fAckers had better be wearing bullet proof undies if they try it here!!!!
Thematic-Device @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:09 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Bart perhaps theres something you don't realize here, in the US we accept and integrate new cultures, and in turn they prescribe to the ideal of american exceptionalism. It is for that reason that the US does not have muslim terrorists.
Uhm, except for the terrorists in Lodi and down the street from my home (relatively speaking) at the Masjid Annur mosque that gave Al Qaeda US$1.5 million in August of 2001 just two weeks prior to 9/11.
Hrmm lets see major domestic terrorists of the US....
The Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, the KKK... I think im noticing a conservative christian trend somewhere...
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Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Terrorists don't thrive in open society, and they do not survive in a contented populace.
Then explain 9/11? Why did rich, well-off Saudi boys kill themselves and 3,000 innocent people?
Oh yeah saudi arabia thats a liberal democracy full of contented citizens alright.
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Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Ironically though, the same conservatives who worry about fighting terrorism so much, often advocate means which will destroy americas most valuable weapon against terrorism. Of all the muslims I have known in the states, each one considered themselves to be an american first and foremost. Yet nutjobs insist on trying to change that.
Ask this question of any Muslim and see if you get a straight answer:
Do you renounce Surah 8:36, "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme"? Yes or no?
Good luck with that, by the way.
Do you renounce
“But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same” (Psalms 68:21-23).
" Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images." (Exodus 23:24)
"And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them” (Deuteronomy 7:2).
“And Amaziah said to the man of God, But what shall we do for the hundred talents which I have given to the army of Israel? And the man of God answered, The Lord is able to give thee much more than this. . . . And Amaziah strengthened himself . . . and smote the children of Seir ten thousand. And other ten thousand left alive did the children of Judah carry away captive, and brought them unto the top of the rock, and cast them down from the top of the rock, that they all were broken in pieces” (2 Chronicles 25:9-12).
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (1 Samuel 15:3)
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman…they shall be put to death” (Leviticus 20:13)
“If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy firend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods…thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die” (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
I could go on for days, suffice it to say, you had better start denouncing, ohh... most of the bible.
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Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
It's the liberals who are fighting to maintain the constitution and american democracy which is the only barrier from the conservatives getting their way and devolving this country into one where terrorism can breed. Terrorism by the state, by individuals, and by extremist groups.
Real conservatives want less government and less control of our lives. You've been watching too much TV.
And where those real conservatives be? Because quite frankly real conservatives don't allow the federal government near unlimited spying power, real conservatives don't broadly expand the powers of the executive branch. Real conservatives respect the constitution. Real conservatives, are not republicans
You my friend have been reading far too little inbetween your republican talking points and fox news channel.
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Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Some of us don't want to see that, and want to see a rule of law, where no one is above it and everyone is judged equally and fairly. Where the government is kept under constant supervision and is never given a carte blanche. Some of us actually respect the constitution as a document which must be followed always not just when its convenient for the government to do so.
So are you then a constructionist who believes the Constitution should be interpreted as it was written or do you ascribe to the liberal, "living document", school of thought where the Constitution "evolves" and means whatever a liberal court says it means?
Read the constitution sometime, you'll notice that they even included 2 catch-all amendments for freedom. And are you a strict constructionist, or do you believe that the constitution applies in all cases except for drugs, communism, and terrorism, and whenever some petty conservative feels like fear mongering.
The constitution does evolve, we've been changing it since the countries founding, it does not, however, magically cease to apply when the conservatives want it to.
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Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Some of us know what Americanism is, and will fight to defend it.
Yes, and some of us also know what it is and we'll fight to defend it, as we have been by defeating liberal politicians and liberal politics at every turn.
Really? Because last I checked, we have a liberal country, so why don't you take your hobbesian solutions to the slightest sign of trouble, and tell your story walking, you'll be happier in china, they love to restrict freedoms under the pretext of national security.
GunRunner @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:13 pm
Can I ask just one question????? WHY THE F@CK HAVEN'T THEY CALLED IN THE ARMY YET??????
I don't understand this, hello Mr Frenchy LePresedenta!!!!! this is day number 11!!!! Wake the f@ck up............ anytime soon would be good!!! 
Jaime_Souviens @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:14 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Constantinople Constantinople:
Such a beautiful thing was the early 20th Century's will. I hope it has been rekindled in Western youth for the early parts of the 21st.
If the people on this site in their early twenties and such are of an example then I fear the battle will be difficult.
Mostly because we can count on certain of them to be on the side of the anti-Westerners.
I'm afraid we'll have a bloody war in our own homes just battling the misguided liberals who are so filled with hate for our civilization that they'd enable and fight for the enemy.
Jaime_Souviens @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:19 pm
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Bart perhaps theres something you don't realize here, in the US we accept and integrate new cultures, and in turn they prescribe to the ideal of american exceptionalism. It is for that reason that the US does not have muslim terrorists. Terrorists don't thrive in open society, and they do not survive in a contented populace.
Integration is the opposite of multiculturalism.
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Ironically though, the same conservatives who worry about fighting terrorism so much, often advocate means which will destroy americas most valuable weapon against terrorism. Of all the muslims I have known in the states, each one considered themselves to be an american first and foremost. Yet nutjobs insist on trying to change that.
American first? Great. But that's the opposite of a social program that privileges 'point-of-origin' ethnicity.
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
It's the liberals who are fighting to maintain the constitution and american democracy which is the only barrier from the conservatives getting their way and devolving this country into one where terrorism can breed. Terrorism by the state, by individuals, and by extremist groups.
Leftist accomodation is the danger that will produce ---in France right now, is producing--- isolated communities in larger societies that will break out into violence.
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Some of us don't want to see that, and want to see a rule of law, where no one is above it and everyone is judged equally and fairly. Where the government is kept under constant supervision and is never given a carte blanche. Some of us actually respect the constitution as a document which must be followed always not just when its convenient for the government to do so. Some of us know what Americanism is, and will fight to defend it.
Never knew you were a Republican....
Jaime_Souviens @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:23 pm
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Bart perhaps theres something you don't realize here, in the US we accept and integrate new cultures, and in turn they prescribe to the ideal of american exceptionalism. It is for that reason that the US does not have muslim terrorists.
Uhm, except for the terrorists in Lodi and down the street from my home (relatively speaking) at the Masjid Annur mosque that gave Al Qaeda US$1.5 million in August of 2001 just two weeks prior to 9/11.
Hrmm lets see major domestic terrorists of the US....
The Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, the KKK... I think im noticing a conservative christian trend somewhere...
The Unabomber was a leftist.
So was the mailbox bomber of five or six years ago.
DerbyX @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:26 pm
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And, as I said he would, he evaded the 'yes' or 'no' answer. It's what all the 'moderate' Muslims do.
ummmm, he did say no. He specifically said that. Did you not see that in what I said. He says everyone should be able to pursue religion as they see fit, has no real bad feelings towards Israel either. Like I said, moderate.
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Do you know what you call a real moderate Muslim? An atheist.
That is essentially what each faith says about every other faith IMO.
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Many people do not discipline thir children at all and the results are equally barbaric. Somewhere in between lies the correct measure of love and discipline. I agree that extreme discipline is abuse, I grew up with that crap myself. At the same time, I would spank a child when to not do so would have graver consequences years later.
The point though is the scriptures commanding it. There are hundreds of biblical scripture that if interpreted literally depict a virtual manual of evil commands just like the koran.
themasta @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:39 pm
The only way to quash these riots is through force. Declare martial law and start shooting anyone who violates curfew. If those fuckers want a war, they should get one.
xerxes @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:51 pm
Last time the French did that, a revolution happened. It only brought about the Reign of Terror and the Napoleonic Wars. No big deal.
themasta @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:58 pm
xerxes xerxes:
Last time the French did that, a revolution happened. It only brought about the Reign of Terror and the Napoleonic Wars. No big deal.
France was strongest when under the rule of Napoleon. Can't hurt.
Constantinople @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:01 pm
themasta themasta:
xerxes xerxes:
Last time the French did that, a revolution happened. It only brought about the Reign of Terror and the Napoleonic Wars. No big deal.
France was strongest when under the rule of Napoleon. Can't hurt.
Actually, it was probably strongest when it was under the rule of Hitler.
Thematic-Device @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:44 pm
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Bart perhaps theres something you don't realize here, in the US we accept and integrate new cultures, and in turn they prescribe to the ideal of american exceptionalism. It is for that reason that the US does not have muslim terrorists.
Uhm, except for the terrorists in Lodi and down the street from my home (relatively speaking) at the Masjid Annur mosque that gave Al Qaeda US$1.5 million in August of 2001 just two weeks prior to 9/11.
Hrmm lets see major domestic terrorists of the US....
The Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, the KKK... I think im noticing a conservative christian trend somewhere...
The Unabomber was a leftist.
He was a reactionary, only reactionary towards technology.
Then there are the people who blow up abortion clinics...
Of course on the left you had the weather underground years back, which had only one death claimed to be assosciated with them to my knowledge and PETA, for both groups as far as I'm aware did mostly property damage
Thematic-Device @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:55 pm
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Bart perhaps theres something you don't realize here, in the US we accept and integrate new cultures, and in turn they prescribe to the ideal of american exceptionalism. It is for that reason that the US does not have muslim terrorists. Terrorists don't thrive in open society, and they do not survive in a contented populace.
Integration is the opposite of multiculturalism.
I don't think you'll ever find me an advocate of "group rights", in fact for poli sci next week I'm arguing against such a notion.
Multicultaralism in general is great, there are plenty of distinct cultures in the US, we never have been, nor will we ever be culturally homogenous. Integration doesn't mean complete assimilation into the abstract idea of your "average american" but its the concept of american exceptionalism or americanism which will end up being integrated into the seperate cultures. While the american culture as a whole will take elements from the culture (Chinese food for example, there are presently more chinese restaurants in the the US then there are wendys, burger kings, and mcdonalds combined)
$1:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Ironically though, the same conservatives who worry about fighting terrorism so much, often advocate means which will destroy americas most valuable weapon against terrorism. Of all the muslims I have known in the states, each one considered themselves to be an american first and foremost. Yet nutjobs insist on trying to change that.
American first? Great. But that's the opposite of a social program that privileges 'point-of-origin' ethnicity.
I was unaware of any such program in the states...
$1:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
It's the liberals who are fighting to maintain the constitution and american democracy which is the only barrier from the conservatives getting their way and devolving this country into one where terrorism can breed. Terrorism by the state, by individuals, and by extremist groups.
Leftist accomodation is the danger that will produce ---in France right now, is producing--- isolated communities in larger societies that will break out into violence.
I don't see how a lack of racial profiling quite qualifies as accomodation prone to seperating people from society
Jaime_Souviens @ Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:20 pm
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
$1:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Ironically though, the same conservatives who worry about fighting terrorism so much, often advocate means which will destroy americas most valuable weapon against terrorism. Of all the muslims I have known in the states, each one considered themselves to be an american first and foremost. Yet nutjobs insist on trying to change that.
American first? Great. But that's the opposite of a social program that privileges 'point-of-origin' ethnicity.
I was unaware of any such program in the states...
'Program' as in 'political agenda' not 'program' as in 'funded institution'.
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
$1:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
It's the liberals who are fighting to maintain the constitution and american democracy which is the only barrier from the conservatives getting their way and devolving this country into one where terrorism can breed. Terrorism by the state, by individuals, and by extremist groups.
Leftist accomodation is the danger that will produce ---in France right now, is producing--- isolated communities in larger societies that will break out into violence.
I don't see how a lack of racial profiling quite qualifies as accomodation prone to seperating people from society
This makes little sense. Who the hell is talking about racial profiling?
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Bart perhaps theres something you don't realize here, in the US we accept and integrate new cultures, and in turn they prescribe to the ideal of american exceptionalism. It is for that reason that the US does not have muslim terrorists. Terrorists don't thrive in open society, and they do not survive in a contented populace.
Integration is the opposite of multiculturalism.
I don't think you'll ever find me an advocate of "group rights", in fact for poli sci next week I'm arguing against such a notion.
Multicultaralism in general is great, there are plenty of distinct cultures in the US, we never have been, nor will we ever be culturally homogenous. Integration doesn't mean complete assimilation into the abstract idea of your "average american" but its the concept of american exceptionalism or americanism which will end up being integrated into the seperate cultures. While the american culture as a whole will take elements from the culture (Chinese food for example, there are presently more chinese restaurants in the the US then there are wendys, burger kings, and mcdonalds combined)
This makes no sense at all.
Before you go writing any papers, make sure you have clear definitions of terms, or all you're going to do is churn out word mush.
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