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GreatBriton sounds a tad French, no?
The fanatical whack-jobs out there are without individuality and reason. Their mother-ship is the Koran (am I allowed to type that??) and the Imans' are their provacateurs.
Let us gather up all the loonie fanatical muslims (note: not ALL Muslims), press them into a giant cube, fire them into space and call them The Borg....
These short-fused robots are walking a tight-rope. Can we force feed them some happy pills or something? Their act is worrysome yet tiring.

   

Another less than "great" bit of logic about free speech from GB who thinks Pax Britannica is still pre-eminent and that the Queen is the Head of the Canadian Armed Forces as well as those from Australia, NZ etc.

Without 'cut and paste' he would be devoid of input, pity he can't figure things out for his self.
The reality of the situation in the UK is that rampant political correctness has ensured a muted response in the UK for fear of rocking the multicult boat. The Brit's have left free speech to the Vikings.

I personally think the cartoons are offensive and a slight against Islam.
I also think that several Christian churches that were burnt to the ground in Baghdad last week (before all this ) are fine examples of tolerance in modern Islam, mostly unreported by western press and the Islamic Propaganda TV networks.

Until Muslims stop grabbing headlines for suicide bombings and stop presenting the world with images of burqa wearing women flanked by bearded and ranting males, burning flags and professing their desire to kill on the Prophet's behalf, they will remain a religion stuck in medieval times known for intolerance, murder and oppression.
But hey, they pray 5 times a day…….

   

EyeBrock, you're dead right re rampant 'right on-ism' here in the UK - but not everyone is afflicted; this statement from a member of the Conservative front bench team

Former Spectator editor and Conservative MP Boris Johnson told the BBC the Muslim religion should not be treated with kid gloves.

He said: "If you are a Muslim and your faith is strong and you believe in God and in your prophet then I don't think you should be remotely frightened of what some ludicrous infidel says or does about your religion or any depiction he produces.

"I think we've got to move away from this hysterical and rather patronising idea that we have got to treat the Muslim religion with kid gloves and not subject it to all the same rough and tumble that we subject other faiths to."

   

I’m not trying to impose the Danish democracy or our way of debate on anybody! I am very well aware of different standers all around the western world when it comes to the way we debate – I only have to look at my neighboring country of Sweden to find a different way of conducting a debate.

But I want give up my right to debate Islam related issues in Denmark in the same atmosphere that we debate every thing else. And yes we are very large when it comes to caricatures and the like.

As for minorities: I don’t think you integrate them into your society if you keep treating them different then the general population – they have to be included in society – good and bad – to be a part of society.
And yes you don’t integrate by being bigoted and spreading hatred – and there is a fine line betweens the two – and I would bet you that it is different in every country on this little planet of ours.

   

choo choo, here comes the clue train:

No, they don't (what is anti Muslim hatred, anyway? Hate of anti-muslims?)

What they promote is Danish (ie, Western) hatred in the Muslims. The whole point was to provoke a reaction that would prove the point trying to be made: that Islam, in general, is intolerant of the liberties we value.

Does that mean the Danes are campaigning for the right to intentionally insult people? Hardly. The Mohammed cartoons were just a symbolic representation of the debate, and were sure to get the attention they needed.



So respect for minorities means protecting them against the cruel, cruel world? While you seem to think that the second most popular religion in the world is a minority, I'm under the impression that they deserve to be treated like adults and equals, and be subject to the criticisms and fair treatment that everyone is. Putting Islam under your wing and protecting it is hardly a way to show your impression of equality... sounds more like patronizing superintendence.

   

No, it isn't. The UK is a constitutional monarchy. The US is a republic. And Switzerland is the world's oldest surviving democracy because the Canons of Helvetia (while mostly using representatives) can effect direct democracy when necessary.

   

Chickenshit or Cold ?

   

That's a picture from the demonstrations in London on Friday. Oddly enough, inspite of the crowd chanting 'Death to Denmark', placards being carried supporting OBL and calling for more bomb attacks on London, not one single arrest was made. Clearly here's a group of Muslims who've benefitted from western freedom of speech.

   

It should include protection, but in no way is respect ever needed for democracy. All liberal democracy requires is the protection of rights, elections with more then one party and that people are equal under the law. What people say about each other has nothing to do with it.

   

GB must miss the halcyon days of Chamberlain.

   

And where is the anti-muslim hatred that was incited by the cartoons?

Hmm?

Can you cite just ONE act anywhere of someone who has been led to hate muslims because of these cartoons?

Just one?

But I do see how you conveniently step aside from the endless and vile filth spewing from the muslims over this.

I'm glad this is happening if only to make the liberal apologists choke on their lies and deceptions in favor of the muslims.

   

Good point - DV, have there been any incidents of anti-Muslim activity in Denmark since this nonsense started? Any demonstrations with 'Death to Islam' being chanted? The Koran being burned? Or are you Danes just too busy working and paying your taxes, meaning that your government can continue to give a hefty chunk of its GDP each year in foreign aid to less fortunate countries?

   

Oh right, it wasn't about free speech at all it was about trying to provoke a reaction to prove how intolerant the Muslims are... well that's a sensible argument isn' it. Why not just caricature Mohammed as a pig if the intention was to stir shit up. Its like sending a hockey goon onto the ice to prove the opposition team'll fight.
Some of the cartoons went well beyond satire, depicting Mohammed as a terrorist by definition implies that all who follow him are terrorists. If the newspaper had published an editorial that said "All Muslims are terrorists" would you have approved of that? why is it ok in cartoon form



They're a minority in Denmark



I agree but calling an entire religion terrorists is hardly fair is it. I don't expect minorities to be given special treatment but neither should they be deliberately insulted and abused. If you want to make constructive criticisms of Islam fine but some of these cartoons cross the line into bigotry.

   

So the only measure of whether material is hateful or not is whether it provokes violence. Yeah great logic Bart, so by your theory when a Muslim fundamentalist demonstrator waves a placard saying "All Jews are Devils" that's not anti-semitic unless it leads to an attack on a Jew.

   

That specific cartoon was singled out as being innappropriate, and unconducive to the intent of the cartoons. Saying "All muslims are terrorists" is not so much an issue of free speech, because it's libel.



They very quickly made it a global issue, so they're not.



One does, yes, but there were several others.

   

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