The international peace movement, what purpose does it serve
Here are some more quotes from Dolfi.
> Indicates Hitler was unhappy that Germans only worshipped Jesus...
"Et cette fois nous éprouvons une violente sensation de colère à la pensée que des Allemands ont pu s'enliser dans des doctrines théologiques privées d'une quelconque profondeur quand sur la vaste terre il y en a d'autres, comme celle de Confucius, de Bouddha et de Mahomet, qui à l'inquiétude religieuse offrent un aliment d'une bien autre valeur."
Source provided already.
> Indicates that Hitler had some strong pagan beleifs...
"Le paysan doit savoir ce que l'Eglise lui a dérobé : l'appréhension mystérieuse et directe de la Nature, le contact instinctif, la communion avec l'Esprit de la terre. C'est ainsi qu'il doit apprendre à haïr l'Eglise. Il doit apprendre progressivement par quels trucs les prêtres ont volé leur âme aux Allemands. Nous gratterons le vernis chrétien et nous retrouverons la religion de notre race."
Hermann Rauschning rapportant Hitler en 1933-1934 : "Hitler m'a dit", Hachette Pluriel, 1995 (1ère édition 1939), page 99.
> Indicates that Hitler planned to destroy the Church after he had destroyed the Jews, Communists, Democratics and and other monkeys...
"Quant aux autres, je n'ai pas besoin d'eux, Je vous garantis que, si je le veux, j'anéantirai l'Eglise en quelques années, tant cet appareil religieux est creux, fragile et mensonger. Il suffira d'y porter un coup sérieux pour le démolir. Nous les prendrons par leur rapacité et leur goût proverbial des bonnes choses. Je leur donne tout au plus quelques années de sursis. Pourquoi nous disputer ? Ils avaleront tout, à la condition de pouvoir conserver leur situation matérielle. Ils succomberont sans combat. Ils flairent déjà d'où souffle le vent, car ils sont loin d'être bêtes."
Hermann Rauschning rapportant Hitler en 1933-1934 : "Hitler m'a dit", Hachette Pluriel, 1995 (1ère édition 1939), pages 95-96.
> Indicates that Hitler though that the Church was as bad as the Black and the Jews...
Je leur arracherais du visage leur masque de respectabilité. Et si cela ne suffit pas, je les rendrais ridicules et méprisables. Je ferai tourner des films qui raconteront l'histoire des hommes noirs. Alors on pourra voir de près l'entassement de folie, d'égoïsme sordide, d'abrutissement et de tromperie qu'est leur Eglise. On verra comment ils ont fait sortir l'argent du pays, comment ils ont rivalisé d'avidité avec les juifs, comment ils ont favorisé les pratiques les plus honteuses. Nous rendrons le spectacle si excitant que tout le monde voudra le voir et qu'on fera de longues queues à la porte des cinémas. Et si les cheveux se dressent sur la tête des bourgeois dévots, tant mieux."
Hermann Rauschning rapportant Hitler en 1933-1934 : "Hitler m'a dit", Hachette Pluriel, 1995 (1ère édition 1939), pages 95-96.
> Indicates that Hitler intended to fight the Church...
"L'Eglise catholique, c'est une grande chose. [...] Mais leur temps est passé. Du reste, ils le savent bien. Ils ont assez d'esprit pour le comprendre et pour ne pas se laisser entraîner dans le combat. Si toutefois ils voulaient entamer la lutte, je n'en ferais certainement pas des martyrs. Je me contenterais de les dénoncer comme de vulgaires criminels."
Hermann Rauschning rapportant Hitler en 1933-1934 : "Hitler m'a dit", Hachette Pluriel, 1995 (1ère édition 1939), pages 95-96.
> Indicates that the "United German Church" DerbyX is talking about is just a step in putting the Church under his control to eventually destroy it...
"Laissons de côté les subtilités. Qu'il s'agisse de l'Ancien Testament ou du Nouveau, ou des seules paroles du Christ, comme le voudrait Houston Stewart Chamberlain, tout cela n'est qu'un seul et même bluff judaïque. Une église allemande ! Un christianisme allemand ? Quelle blague ! On est ou bien chrétien ou bien allemand, mais on ne peut être les deux à la fois."
Hermann Rauschning rapportant Hitler en 1933-1934 : "Hitler m'a dit", Hachette Pluriel, 1995 (1ère édition 1939), pages 91-92.
> Indicates Hitler hoped the Germans would forget about Christianism...
"Pour notre peuple, au contraire, la religion est affaire capitale. Tout dépend de savoir s'il restera fidèle à la religion judéo-chrétienne et à la morale servile de la pitié, ou s'il aura une foi nouvelle forte, héroïque, en lui-même, en un Dieu indissociable de son destin et de son sang."
Hermann Rauschning rapportant Hitler en 1933-1934 : "Hitler m'a dit", Hachette Pluriel, 1995 (1ère édition 1939), pages 91-92.
> Indicates that his (partial) alliance with the Church was part of his strategy to eventualy eradicate it...
"Le fascisme peut, s'il le veut, faire sa paix avec l'Eglise. Je ferai de même. Pourquoi pas ? Cela ne m'empêchera nullement d'extirper le christianisme de l'Allemagne. Les Italiens, gens naïfs, peuvent être en même temps des païens et des chrétiens. Les Italiens et les Français, ceux qu'on rencontre à la campagne, sont des païens. Leur christianisme est superficiel, reste à l'épiderme. Mais l'Allemand est différent. Il prend les choses au sérieux : il est chrétien ou païen, mais non l'un et l'autre. D'ailleurs, comme Mussolini n'arrivera jamais à faire de ses fascistes des héros, peu importe qu'ils soient païens ou chrétiens."
Hermann Rauschning rapportant Hitler en 1933-1934 : "Hitler m'a dit", Hachette Pluriel, 1995 (1ère édition 1939), pages 91-92.
> Indicates that Hitler really hated Christianism (not his quote but still very insightfull)...
"D'autres enfin, et c'est évidemment le courant dominant, celui auquel Hitler s'associe, se bornent à une critique acerbe du christianisme, conçu comme une religion orientale, déformée sous l'action de saint Paul, marquée du sceau des Juifs, une religion de dégénérés et de malades, dont la morale, sous le nom de charité, de pitié, de résignation, de pardon des injures, d'amour du prochain, enseigne la faiblesse, la peur, la lâcheté, les scrupules, le déshonneur, s'oppose à toutes les vertus martiales et achemine les peuples à l'esclavage."
André François-Poncet : "Souvenirs d'une ambassade à Berlin" (de 1931 à 1938) , Flammarion, 1946, page 80.
> Indicates that one of Adolf Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers liked paganism...
"Le christianisme et la syphilis avaient rendu l'humanité malheureuse et l'avaient privée de liberté. Quelle différence entre un Zeus souriant bienveillant et sage, et un Christ crucifié et tiraillé par la souffrance ?"
Goebbels citant Schopenhauer dans son Journal, le 8 avril 1941.
Schopenhauer also had a great interest in Buddhist and Hindouism.
> Indicates that Hitler tought that the Church was the Germans enemy...
"Le germanisme dut ainsi rétrograder lentement, mais sans arrêt, devant cet abus sournois de la religion et faute de toute défense suffisante. [...] Les efforts anti-allemands des Habsbourg ne trouvèrent point, surtout parmi le clergé supérieur, l'opposition qui s'imposait, et la défense même des intérêts allemands fut complètement négligée. L'impression générale ne pouvait pas varier : le clergé catholique tel quel causait un brutal préjudice aux droits des Allemands. Il paraissait donc que l'Eglise non seulement n'était pas de cœur avec le peuple allemand, mais qu'elle se rangeait de la façon la plus injuste aux côtés de ses adversaires. La raison de tout le mal, d'après Schoenerer, résidait dans le fait que la tête de l'Eglise catholique ne se trouvait point en Allemagne ; et c'était là une cause suffisante de son attitude hostile aux intérêts de notre nation."
Hitler : Mein Kampf, 1924, traduction française aux Nouvelles Editions Latines, pages 112-113
And it keeps pilling up. Seems like DerbyX finally found a Christian that can demonstrate that Hitler was not a Christian.
[marq=left]Hitler was a crazy anti-Christ just like DerbyX ![/marq]
DerbyX @ Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:29 pm
See the other thread.
Hitlers beliefs were quite clear.
$1:
Hitler was born and baptized into Catholicism
His Jewish antisemitism came from his Christian background.
His early personal notes shows his interest in religion and Biblical views.
He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind.
His Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution) included a section on Positive Christianity, and he never removed it.
He confessed his Christianity.
He tried to establish a united Reich German Church.
Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and temples, but not Christian churches.
He encouraged Nazis to worship in Christian churches.
He spoke of his Christian beliefs in his speeches and proclamations.
His contemporaries, friends, Protestant ministers and Catholics priests, including the Vatican, thought of Hitler as a Christian.
The Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler. He died a Catholic.
To ignore the evidence of Hitler's Christianity demonstrates how power of belief can obscure the facts.
I understand how you can be having problems with this. We can add a poor understanding of evidence alongside a poor understanding of evolution & flight.
All we have to rely on is all of Hitler's speeches, all his writings, his seminal book, mein kampf, the opinion of high ranking clergy, the catholic church, the list goes on.
All you can do is draw dubious connections alleged aspects of paganism and show complete ignorance of logic and understanding.
Thats par for the course for a creationists.
DerbyX DerbyX:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
$1:
"his lord and savior JC", and never once professed anything but complete faith in hard-core christian theology.
A denial of Christ's jewish roots and refering to him as an Aryan is far from 'hard-core Christian theology'. He completely repudiated Judeo- Christianity, which he saw as tainted by Jewish influences and wanted to replace it with a new faith which merged elements of Christianity and Germanis paganism.
By your interpretation, we can call voodoo and santaria Christian, because they contain elements of it. Or for that matter Satanism, because it uses the Judeo-Christian worldview and mythos.
Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and Ho Chi Minh were all good atheists and butchered followers of any and all belief systems, motivated by their system which actively calls for the eradication of religious belief in a society. Godless butchers, one and all, driven by their own lack of belief in an attempt to destroy others who did believe in something.
Hitler may have considered himself a Christian, but did his actions demonstrate him as being one? Mental hospitals are full of people claiming to be Jesus Christ, does it make it true? Remember, the old adage, 'Actions speak louder than words'. His actions clearly point in another direction.
Actions are irrelvant because christianity doesn't define it self by actions but by belief.
Note the quotes concerning the very scriptures from the very book christians worshiop.
BTW, once again you are using a dishonest tactic by somehow trying to disprove hitlers christianity by bringing up political actions of others.
Hitler, just like Stalin, Pol Pot, and China wanted control over the churches as a means of control over the people. So what? English kings did it as have countless others in history. Control of a church is part & parcel to why there are multiple denominations. Those are political considerations. Stalin, China, and Pol Pot didn't persecute people
because of their beliefs but because they wanted total control over them. Faith survived in those areas because it was the organized religion that was persecuted until the point of total control was established. They saw peoples loyalty and support to the church/temple as a threat and not any faith in a higher power.
Hitler wanted total control as well and persecuted anyone, including churchs/church leaders who resisted that control.
He killed the jews for no other reason then their being jews. He had no quarrel with any christian denomination so long as he was in control. The same cannot be said about the jews as he wasn't trying to convert them or control them but to destroy them entirely. Even if the jews submitted to his total control they would have still been killed just for being jews.
That you people won't acknowledge the fact of anti-semetism of the period centered around christianity is just plain ignorance of the facts.
First of all Derby this thread isn't about Hitler, he was a mass murderer not a peacenik. Got that, it's apparent you will use any excuse to put down Christianity while protecting your beloved Radical Islam. Do so in your own thread not in this one please. Second who cares if Hitler was a so called Catholic, it's been 60 some years and in that time span I believe you will find most of the blood shed globally has been from Communist ethos and the spread Islam.
So when are the peaceniks going to finally get around to explaining what purpose they serve??? I'm still waitingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
Tricks @ Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:29 pm
Scrappy Scrappy:
I'm still waitingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
Must you do that? I get the image of a crying 6 year-old.
DerbyX @ Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:35 pm
Scrappy Scrappy:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
$1:
"his lord and savior JC", and never once professed anything but complete faith in hard-core christian theology.
A denial of Christ's jewish roots and refering to him as an Aryan is far from 'hard-core Christian theology'. He completely repudiated Judeo- Christianity, which he saw as tainted by Jewish influences and wanted to replace it with a new faith which merged elements of Christianity and Germanis paganism.
By your interpretation, we can call voodoo and santaria Christian, because they contain elements of it. Or for that matter Satanism, because it uses the Judeo-Christian worldview and mythos.
Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and Ho Chi Minh were all good atheists and butchered followers of any and all belief systems, motivated by their system which actively calls for the eradication of religious belief in a society. Godless butchers, one and all, driven by their own lack of belief in an attempt to destroy others who did believe in something.
Hitler may have considered himself a Christian, but did his actions demonstrate him as being one? Mental hospitals are full of people claiming to be Jesus Christ, does it make it true? Remember, the old adage, 'Actions speak louder than words'. His actions clearly point in another direction.
Actions are irrelvant because christianity doesn't define it self by actions but by belief.
Note the quotes concerning the very scriptures from the very book christians worshiop.
BTW, once again you are using a dishonest tactic by somehow trying to disprove hitlers christianity by bringing up political actions of others.
Hitler, just like Stalin, Pol Pot, and China wanted control over the churches as a means of control over the people. So what? English kings did it as have countless others in history. Control of a church is part & parcel to why there are multiple denominations. Those are political considerations. Stalin, China, and Pol Pot didn't persecute people
because of their beliefs but because they wanted total control over them. Faith survived in those areas because it was the organized religion that was persecuted until the point of total control was established. They saw peoples loyalty and support to the church/temple as a threat and not any faith in a higher power.
Hitler wanted total control as well and persecuted anyone, including churchs/church leaders who resisted that control.
He killed the jews for no other reason then their being jews. He had no quarrel with any christian denomination so long as he was in control. The same cannot be said about the jews as he wasn't trying to convert them or control them but to destroy them entirely. Even if the jews submitted to his total control they would have still been killed just for being jews.
That you people won't acknowledge the fact of anti-semetism of the period centered around christianity is just plain ignorance of the facts.
First of all Derby this thread isn't about Hitler, he was a mass murderer not a peacenik. Got that, it's apparent you will use any excuse to put down Christianity while protecting your beloved Radical Islam. Do so in your own thread not in this one please. Second who cares if Hitler was a so called Catholic, it's been 60 some years and in that time span I believe you will find most of the blood shed globally has been from Communist ethos and the spread Islam.
So when are the peaceniks going to finally get around to explaining what purpose they serve??? I'm still waitingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
Hey Scrappy,
Take a good fucking look through the thread to see I only sought to correct some fuckwit who thought nazi's weren't christian.
In addition I never called him a peacenik nor have I ever supported radical islam who would hate me more then you.
I support not giving those assholes in islamic nations fuel & fire by invading their land.
We are wrong to be in the Stan and wrong to be Iraq.
We should fuck the hell out of their lands and worry about our own. Put our resources into our problems and leave them to whatever society their religion and culture develops and if its a brutal one where they are continually fighting each other then so be it.
It won't be our fucking fault nor our responsibility.
DerbyX DerbyX:
Hitlers beliefs were quite clear.
$1:
Hitler was born and baptized into Catholicism.
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Poor DerbyX, I have compeltely destroyed all of your "evidence", point by point, in my 2 last posts, yet you repost the EXACT SAME shit.
Moreover, you COMPLETELY lost your ALL your credibility by pretending that the Muslim SS divisions never existed.
Seems like you dropped the argument pretty fast.
At first you were funny, but now you are just boring.
I love Bart's image.
UPDATE
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A commie blog I'm trolling on supports...
> The Islamic terrorists in Iraq (Al-Qaeda, Islamic Army of Iraq, Army of the Mahdi, etc.) :
http://reactionismwatch.blogspot.com/20 ... roops.html
> The Communist guerrillas in Nepal :
http://reactionismwatch.blogspot.com/20 ... ps_21.html
The funny part is that they call to "make war against war" (i-e cut and run from Afghanistan) :
http://reactionismwatch.blogspot.com/20 ... -juin.html
One more prof that the "pacifists" don't give a damn about peace !
Oh, and to add more to the mountain that I have pilled up over DerbyX's head, here is a site of interest : http://www.thepaganfront.com/ .
Hummm... VERY Christian 