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No, the "Peace" movement started before the Far Left was ever conceived.

   

Ostensibly to promote order and opportunity. Peacekeepers are harnessed to the ground by bureaucracy, which makes it hard to give peace a chance.

   

present day governments are not interested in peace.....more can be gained through war.....at least in their tiny shortsighted minds.

   

The "Peace" movement is in name only much like former communist regime's official names frequently included "democratic".
Durandal

Yes I agree. Very insightful.....
Sandorski


And when was that pray tell...were it's first leader Danton, Marrat and Robespierre????

   

This comes in handy.

   

Let's send them all to Gaza where they can discuss matters with the peace loving members of Hamas

   

LOL good one.

When ever I witness a "Poverty" protest all the protesters are grossly over weight. What food are they lacking other than low cal or low carb foods? The peace movement remind me of the Poverty groups, they smell lack an IQ and are grossly over weight wouldn't it be wiser for them to seek help with Weight Watchers than the media? They are a heavy burden on our health care system but yet they go out and protest something they no nothing of. Peace and hunger.

   

1) Please, sandorski, take into account that that peace (= absence of hostility) existed before the modern left/right political opposition.

2) Yes, the peace "movement" (i-e random people that promote non-violence and/or forgivness) started before the Far Left was ever conceived ; BUT, it does not wash out the fact that the commies have, for almost a century, used the banner of pacifism to delegitimize their political opponents in order to take power.

Next.

   

   

No. He blasted aspects of church doctrine & control but he always spoke with reverance about the hard core aspects of christianity, always spoke about his admiration of "his lord and savior JC", and never once professed anything but complete faith in hard-core christian theology.

When he did have a problem it was invariably with secular aspects of the churches control. He wanted a united chritian church with its seat of power in Germany.

The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations

Nowhere in any speech does he contradict this and cetainly nowhere in any speech does he speak about his faith as a muslim does. He speaks about "the lord and saviour, JC" and not MH. Only christians refer to JC as the lord and saviour as it is the most basical fundemental aspect of their faith.



No muslim (or someone from any other faith in fact) would make that speech.

Like any creationists you simply dismiss all the volumes of evidence that contradicts your theory and hold as absolute proof any tiny random bit of dubious evidence that you claim invalidates everything else.

For your little pet theory that Hitler was actually a muslim you would have to ignore the fact that he was raised a catholic by his mother, (you lied about her being a jew), Klara Hitler, herself a devout catholic.

He took inspiration from the Viennese Christian Social movement and from Martin Luther, both known for rabid anti-semetism.

Besides the fact that among his party elite there were high ranking church officials you simply ignore the fact that aside from judaism the vast majority of Europe let alone Germany was christian. He couldn't have achieved the power he did without the help of christian society.



Christianity in Europe during WW2



The evidence contradicts that quite clearly.

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

Your links about "what it looks like when chrisitans follow the christian faith" is nothing more then yet another person stating that their version of faith and their interpretation is the one true faith.

We have had numerous posters on here stating that catholics aren't really christians because of aspects of their faith.

Your belief in what a christians really is is just that, your own personal belief.

The evidence shows:



Now you are attempting (as many other have) to invalidate his christianity based on his actions however your own bible doesn't define christianity that way.



That is just what Hitler did: Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Hitler (Mein Kampf)

He believed he was acting in direct accordance with his lord and saviour.

That shouldn't surprise you given that there are a number of christian denominations that differ in many core beliefs yet all believe they are acting in accordance with their lords will.



Yet nowhere is the koran quoted, MH referenced, or allah mentioned. That cannot be said about the bible, JC, or christian theology.

You are doing exactly what I said. You are simply dismissing all the preponderance of evidence that contradicts you and drawing spurious connections based on warped connections. If you were trying to disprove his catholicism you might have a few points but his christianity, not a chance. I suppose you consider all lutherans muslims because Hitler drew inspiration from them.

Can you even provide a shred of evidence that shows he even studied the koran? No. All you can do is point to loose connection based on similiar aspects but thats hardly surprising considering that all 3 faiths "supposedly" worship the same god. In fact all 3 acknowledge the existence of JC but hold different opinions as to his status/divinity. Both jews & muslims say quite clearly that JC was not a divine (god) person. Christians hold the divinity of JC as their most basic tennent of faith (hence the name christianity.

Guess which group Hitler falls into considering that he refers to JC as "lord & saviour"?



Yet another myth is espoused.



Chrisitans have been killing people since the dawn of that faith. In addition, I dispute entirely your evidence of muslim SS as the sources I've seen (including yours) aren't verified by any contemporary historian and even if it is its irrelevant.

The other 99.99% of the German forces were all members of a christian denomination (mostly catholics & protestants) and when they died they were buried under crosses.



Only by holding tenacious links with the same weight as the vast amount of evidence contradicting it.

Its hardly surprising given that you creationists use that tactic when attempting to invalidate the vast scientific evidence backing evolution.

The links between Hitler & christianity are indisputable by any except those that seek to rewrite history, turn a blind eye to the facts, or define christianity in a bigoted & circular manner.



Thats hardly surprising given that as humanity invented new religions they stole ideas from previous ones. Alot of "pagan" beliefs, beliefs that predate christianity. have made there way into it. Coincedentily after the pagan people where invaded by those christians.

BTW, see previous point about what Hitler belived with regards to JC that shows quite clearly which faith he belonged to.

You can kick & scream all you like. You can pound your fist against the monitor.

You can pull all the false links and connections you like but the undisputable facts are these.



The fact that he was baptized alone makes him a christian in the eyes of christians I have spoken to.

The fact that he believed and stated quite clearly his belief in the god of the bible, and all the hard-core aspects of that book show quite clearly what his faith was.

His acceptance of JC as his lord & saviour is quite frankly pretty much the only thing that absolutely must be done to prevent a one-way ticket south.

In the end, when you ask the question "what does it take to be a christian"?

You are invariably left with a single indisputable answer.



Your own book states quite clearly that to be "saved"you must accept the lord jesus into your life.

By accepting him you automatically become a "christian". Perhaps not a catholic or protestant, but absolutely a christian.

Hitler did that, in mind, body, and soul. Hence the only true answer is.

[marq=right] Hitler was a christian! [/marq]

   

A denial of Christ's jewish roots and refering to him as an Aryan is far from 'hard-core Christian theology'. He completely repudiated Judeo- Christianity, which he saw as tainted by Jewish influences and wanted to replace it with a new faith which merged elements of Christianity and Germanis paganism.
By your interpretation, we can call voodoo and santaria Christian, because they contain elements of it. Or for that matter Satanism, because it uses the Judeo-Christian worldview and mythos.

Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and Ho Chi Minh were all good atheists and butchered followers of any and all belief systems, motivated by their system which actively calls for the eradication of religious belief in a society. Godless butchers, one and all, driven by their own lack of belief in an attempt to destroy others who did believe in something.

Hitler may have considered himself a Christian, but did his actions demonstrate him as being one? Mental hospitals are full of people claiming to be Jesus Christ, does it make it true? Remember, the old adage, 'Actions speak louder than words'. His actions clearly point in another direction.

   

Hitler at best used christianity as a tool and merely gave it lip service for political reasons.

Heydrich, assassinated by CZech resistance, funeral was anything but christian....it more resembled a weird rebirth of Wagerian Nordic Pantheism.

To instigate the Holocaust , order "the night of the long knives" and finally commit suicide in no way fits into Roman Catholic or Lutheran Christian theology.

   

Actions are irrelvant because christianity doesn't define it self by actions but by belief.

Note the quotes concerning the very scriptures from the very book christians worshiop.

BTW, once again you are using a dishonest tactic by somehow trying to disprove hitlers christianity by bringing up political actions of others.

Hitler, just like Stalin, Pol Pot, and China wanted control over the churches as a means of control over the people. So what? English kings did it as have countless others in history. Control of a church is part & parcel to why there are multiple denominations. Those are political considerations. Stalin, China, and Pol Pot didn't persecute people because of their beliefs but because they wanted total control over them. Faith survived in those areas because it was the organized religion that was persecuted until the point of total control was established. They saw peoples loyalty and support to the church/temple as a threat and not any faith in a higher power.

Hitler wanted total control as well and persecuted anyone, including churchs/church leaders who resisted that control. He killed the jews for no other reason then their being jews. He had no quarrel with any christian denomination so long as he was in control. The same cannot be said about the jews as he wasn't trying to convert them or control them but to destroy them entirely. Even if the jews submitted to his total control they would have still been killed just for being jews.

That you people won't acknowledge the fact of anti-semetism of the period centered around christianity is just plain ignorance of the facts.

   

Oh really? Tell that to the Jehovah's Witnesses who he was gassing before the Jews were even being rounded up.


[marq=right]The worst butchers of modern history were atheists[/marq]

   

True. Long before Marxism people sought peace. And some of the people in the peace movement, I am sure, truly want peace. Anymore, though, the peace movement in general is a tool and a safe harbour for leftists, Communists, and anarchists.

Witness this piece by a San Francisco reporter: http://www.counterpunch.org/gasper03222004.html



In case you're not familiar with the US left, "No justice, no peace!" is not a call for peace, it is a battlecry.

More ties to the left and the 'peace' movement:

http://kerroncross.blogspot.com/2006/03 ... march.html



And this is an avowed socialist saying this, not a conservative critic!

And more from a real peace activist....http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kr ... 00538.html



So, yes, the left have hijacked the peace movement and they are using it as camoflauge to advance their agenda - which, by their own admission and chants - is not about peace.

   

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