Are you for or against capital punishment?
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The Hoser @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:26 am
But what happens if, say, a man comes home to find his loving wife for 25 years cheating on him, and in the grip of sorrowful rage he kills them both?
hwacker @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:30 am
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
But what happens if, say, a man comes home to find his loving wife for 25 years cheating on him, and in the grip of sorrowful rage he kills them both?
He should get a high 5.
BartSimpson @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:49 am
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Well obviously if he killed 200-300 women (How is that even possible?) he should be put to death. But I mean in general Capitol Punishment is to risky because, as said before, so many people are wrongly convicted you could well kill innocent people.
Canada has that animal in BC who's now estimated to have killed upwards of sixty women and girls.
Part of the reason acts like this are possible is because good people believe that they aren't.
BartSimpson @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:54 am
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
But what happens if, say, a man comes home to find his loving wife for 25 years cheating on him, and in the grip of sorrowful rage he kills them both?
Here is where I actually agree with the French on something: Such a thing is classed as a crime of passion and if no premeditation is determined the affected spouse (man or woman) can be adjudicated innocent of an actual crime.
Memo to cheaters: don't be a cheap bastard, spring for a hotel room.
ridenrain @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:17 am
Yes, but only for repeat offenders.
Otherwise, we need to build more and nicer prisons. We need to treat prisoners with compassion to maximize their chance of rehabilitation and self worth. While in prison the could be taught trades, get degrees, take political debate classes... then the Liberals will give them the vote! 
(Dripping sarcasm mode -OFF)
truecdneh @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:48 am
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Frankly, I think that life in a 5X10 cell is far worse than a quick death from poison or electricity. The only problem is the potenntially overflowing prison system.
Worse for who? the taxpayers that shell out like $60k (per inmate) a year to cover the costs? what's the point. with the science (DNA, etc) we have now, the odds are in at least the millions that an incorrect conviction would be passed. Give them 5 years in a cell for a grace period in case they're one of the exceptions, if not, smoke'em.
Hester @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:30 am
Convictions aren't basely solely on DNA, Acquittals neither. Thanks to lawyers the system will never be infallible. Too many innocent people going to jail, too many criminals walking the streets.
How would you feel about capital punishment if YOU were the person wrongfully convicted?
How would you like to be the person to explain to junior that his father's dead because the criminal system found him guilty? What if those kids are yours?
Capital punishment is wrong.
Robair @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:05 am
The justice system will always be flawed. This means there will always be a chance of innocent conviction. (Ask David Millgard what he thinks of capital punishment)
No to capital punishment, no to the risk of killing the innocent.
Robair @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:06 am
truecdneh truecdneh:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Frankly, I think that life in a 5X10 cell is far worse than a quick death from poison or electricity. The only problem is the potenntially overflowing prison system.
Worse for who? the taxpayers that shell out like $60k (per inmate) a year to cover the costs? what's the point. with the science (DNA, etc) we have now, the odds are in at least the millions that an incorrect conviction would be passed. Give them 5 years in a cell for a grace period in case they're one of the exceptions, if not, smoke'em.
BartSimpson @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:11 am
Robair Robair:
truecdneh truecdneh:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Frankly, I think that life in a 5X10 cell is far worse than a quick death from poison or electricity. The only problem is the potenntially overflowing prison system.
Worse for who? the taxpayers that shell out like $60k (per inmate) a year to cover the costs? what's the point. with the science (DNA, etc) we have now, the odds are in at least the millions that an incorrect conviction would be passed. Give them 5 years in a cell for a grace period in case they're one of the exceptions, if not, smoke'em.
Which is why I advocate outsourcing the US prison industry to progressive countries like, say, Nigeria where costs would be dramatically lower and death penalties could be carried out promptly.
bootlegga @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:15 am
I am absolutely against capital punishment, as should all good Christians. Remember; thou shalt not kill. Jesus also said to turn the other cheek...alas, nowadays, most Christians only seem to know and eye for an eye...sad.
Do the guilty deserve to be punished? Of course, but I'm of the opinion that murderers, rapists, and molesters should be put in a dark hole and left there until they die. A life sentence should be just that. A lot of people have told me if you or someone you loved was murdered, you'd be for the death penalty. Well, in 1984 my favourite aunt was killed by her stepson and I didn't want him dead then or now, I just feel he should have been locked up for the rest of his life.
Does this cost money? Yes, so what? I'd rather spend some tax money on this than have the blight on my soul that I helped to murder someone. And it would be even worse if we found out 20 years later that he was innocent. Anyone hear of David Milgaard?
As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY time it is okay to kill someone is in self-defence. Even then, it must be a last resort.
Robair @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:38 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Which is why I advocate outsourcing the US prison industry to progressive countries like, say, Nigeria where costs would be dramatically lower and death penalties could be carried out promptly.
Here's to you being the first wrongly convicted under that system.
truecdneh @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:27 am
Robair Robair:
truecdneh truecdneh:
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Frankly, I think that life in a 5X10 cell is far worse than a quick death from poison or electricity. The only problem is the potenntially overflowing prison system.
Worse for who? the taxpayers that shell out like $60k (per inmate) a year to cover the costs? what's the point. with the science (DNA, etc) we have now, the odds are in at least the millions that an incorrect conviction would be passed. Give them 5 years in a cell for a grace period in case they're one of the exceptions, if not, smoke'em.
Ok.. explain that one.
Constantinople @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:27 am
Hester Hester:
Convictions aren't basely solely on DNA, Acquittals neither. Thanks to lawyers the system will never be infallible. Too many innocent people going to jail, too many criminals walking the streets.
How would you feel about capital punishment if YOU were the person wrongfully convicted?
How would you like to be the person to explain to junior that his father's dead because the criminal system found him guilty? What if those kids are yours?
Capital punishment is wrong.
How would you feel about capital punishment if YOU were the person wrongfully convicted?
How would you like to be the person to explain to junior that his father's dead because the criminal system found him guilty? What if those kids are yours?
Capital punishment is wrong.
So you're basically saying we shouldn't even have prison in fear that everyone might be wrongly convicted and have to go through the rigors of prison life. What if someone was wrongly convicted, spent life in prison, and no one ever knew except the prisoner? It wouldn't have mattered either way, because who's going to get rid of prison? What about all of the guilty people who have gone free?
Proculation @ Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:50 am
You can take someone out of jail but not from Hades.
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