Most overated leader in history.
CubanTexan CubanTexan:
Mustang, ok, I will agree that JFK's handling of the Cuban Missile crisis was deftly handled, and should be studied, but that one incident (though a big one!) should not define the man.

Soon, I'm visiting 'Cuba North' (Miami). I miss those steak sandwiches and steamimg strong coffee. PLus a good game of dominoes on the beach.
Most overrated leader in history?
Jimmy Carter.
Anyone who gives him any credit for anything he did during his Presidency is wrong.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Most overrated leader in history?
Jimmy Carter.
Anyone who gives him any credit for anything he did during his Presidency is wrong.
You get the 'best answer' award.
CubanTexan CubanTexan:
Mustang, ok, I will agree that JFK's handling of the Cuban Missile crisis was deftly handled, and should be studied, but that one incident (though a big one!) should not define the man.

But in this case, due to his unfortunate assassination (this is not an attempt to instigate a conspiracy-buff rant), the incident
did define the man.
WLDB WLDB:
As for the most overrated leader in history...Julius Ceasar.
Uhh…care to elaborate on that?
DerbyX @ Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:26 pm
BartSimpson wrote:
$1:
Most overrated leader in history?
Jimmy Carter.
Anyone who gives him any credit for anything he did during his Presidency is wrong.
Was he the president who had the "bumbling brother" always in trouble or was that Gerald Ford?
WLDB @ Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:29 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
WLDB WLDB:
As for the most overrated leader in history...Julius Ceasar.
Uhh…care to elaborate on that?
Most people who dont know much think he created the Roman Empire. He didnt. Sure he conquered a lot of territory and all but he was never Emperor.
WLDB WLDB:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
WLDB WLDB:
As for the most overrated leader in history...Julius Ceasar.
Uhh…care to elaborate on that?
Most people who dont know much think he created the Roman Empire. He didnt. Sure he conquered a lot of territory and all but he was never Emperor.
True or false: Without Julius Ceaser, would the Roman Empire have came into existance?
FuBaR @ Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:02 pm
Yes! Without a doubt.
WLDB @ Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:07 pm
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
WLDB WLDB:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
WLDB WLDB:
As for the most overrated leader in history...Julius Ceasar.
Uhh…care to elaborate on that?
Most people who dont know much think he created the Roman Empire. He didnt. Sure he conquered a lot of territory and all but he was never Emperor.
True or false: Without Julius Ceaser, would the Roman Empire have came into existance?
Possibly. That wasnt Ceasers intention though. The Roman Republic destroyed itself.
WLDB WLDB:
Most people who dont know much think he created the Roman Empire. He didnt. Sure he conquered a lot of territory and all but he was never Emperor.
True, it was his nephew...
But if we're going to count spectacular deaths as relevant, (JFK), then his was a moment on the way to empire.
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Umm... How do you answere a True or False question with a "Yes" and a "Possibly"?
WLDB @ Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:22 pm
The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:
Umm... How do you answere a True or False question with a "Yes" and a "Possibly"?
You cant answer a "what if" question in history with an absolute. There is no way to know. All you can do is give your opinion. I am undecided it could have went either way.
WLDB WLDB:
Most people who dont know much think he created the Roman Empire. He didnt. Sure he conquered a lot of territory and all but he was never Emperor.
Firstly, no one suggested that Caeser created the Roman Empire (that was Augustus), but he did embark on an inspiring campaign to reform the broken Roman Republic. He broke down the barriers between Italy and the provinces, extending citizenship to many of the provincials. Caesar also took measures to cope with Rome’s burgeoning population. He drew up plans to send his veterans and thousands of poor and unemployed to colonies in the Mediterranean. He founded 20 of these colonies, most of which were in Gaul, Spain and North Africa – this helped spread the Roman culture. (see Buckler)
In addition, he passed numerous legal reforms (especially the Lex Julia Muncicipalis –see above as well) and tried to address class issues. He embarked on numerous civil architectural projects (like a basilica across from the Curia) and one of his most significant achievements was the reformed calendar of 46. That doesn’t even begin to do justice to his impressive military campaigns (he is considered by many historians to be one of Western Civilization’s finest commanders)
Was he an “Emperor”? No, but let’s not play semantics. He was a dictator that changed Rome and Western Civilization forever. Was he overrated? Please.
Mustang1 Mustang1:
CubanTexan CubanTexan:
Mustang, ok, I will agree that JFK's handling of the Cuban Missile crisis was deftly handled, and should be studied, but that one incident (though a big one!) should not define the man.

But in this case, due to his unfortunate assassination (this is not an attempt to instigate a conspiracy-buff rant), the incident
did define the man.
He's still overated, despite 'what' defines the man, I would venture to conject the incident embellished a persona that, well, was all about style and little subsatnce.