Lance Armstrong Banned for life.
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andyt @ Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:57 pm
Different people respond to drugs differently. What Armstrong showed is that his body responds better to drugs than the next person's. No doubt even without drugs, he would be a formidable athlete, but who knows if he would have been so successful.
As FOG points out, 5 out of the 7 TDF races, the second place finisher was also banned for drugs. although in Ulrich's case (2 x second) it was for X during the offseason, hardly a competitive advantage.
The primary drug he would have taken was EPO. Steroids for recovery, and who knows what else. Also he was getting blood transfusions, tho I don't know if those are illegal.
Regina @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:34 am
Seven tricks cyclists use to cheat drug tests.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/m ... le4622305/
2Cdo @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:45 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
A cheater is a cheater. Even if you changed the drug rules, there'd still be rules, wouldn't there? You could allow riders to take whatever PEDs they wanted. Then pieces of shit like Armstrong would find other ways to cheat: messing with competitors equipment, who knows? whatever. A cheater is lacking morals and personal character and a cheater will always be looking for a way to cheat.
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Gunnair @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:00 am
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Lemmy Lemmy:
A cheater is a cheater. Even if you changed the drug rules, there'd still be rules, wouldn't there? You could allow riders to take whatever PEDs they wanted. Then pieces of shit like Armstrong would find other ways to cheat: messing with competitors equipment, who knows? whatever. A cheater is lacking morals and personal character and a cheater will always be looking for a way to cheat.
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Wouldn't be an issue if pot were legal.
Regina @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:01 am
2Cdo @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:05 am
Gunnair Gunnair:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Lemmy Lemmy:
A cheater is a cheater. Even if you changed the drug rules, there'd still be rules, wouldn't there? You could allow riders to take whatever PEDs they wanted. Then pieces of shit like Armstrong would find other ways to cheat: messing with competitors equipment, who knows? whatever. A cheater is lacking morals and personal character and a cheater will always be looking for a way to cheat.
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Wouldn't be an issue if pot were legal.
Is this todays recurring theme?
Gunnair @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:07 am
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Gunnair Gunnair:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Wouldn't be an issue if pot were legal.
Is this todays recurring theme?
Yes...yes it is.
Lemmy @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:09 am
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Seems that way. Doesn't say much for the moral character of cyclists, does it?
andyt @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:21 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Seems that way. Doesn't say much for the moral character of cyclists, does it?
baseball, running, who knows what else. I bet drugs are much more prevalent in many sports than we know, or that many governing bodies want to know. The UCI certainly didn't.
Zipperfish @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:52 am
Wonder what kind of humans we'd end up if you had separate contests where anything goes. I guess East Germnay already explored that avenue. ha ha ha
andyt @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:53 am
dead ones
Gunnair @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:57 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Seems that way. Doesn't say much for the moral character of cyclists, does it?
Why would you think that? There are many in these forums that support illegal drug use in their lives and they all believe they are of high moral character even as they break the law.
Why target cyclists or any other athlete that does something similar for their betterment?
2Cdo @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:06 am
Gunnair Gunnair:
Lemmy Lemmy:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Lemmy, all the top guys on the cycling circuit cheated in one way or another.
Seems that way. Doesn't say much for the moral character of cyclists, does it?
Why would you think that? There are many in these forums that support illegal drug use in their lives and they all believe they are of high moral character even as they break the law.
Why target cyclists or any other athlete that does something similar for their betterment?
Gunnair @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:11 am
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Lemmy Lemmy:
Seems that way. Doesn't say much for the moral character of cyclists, does it?
Why would you think that? There are many in these forums that support illegal drug use in their lives and they all believe they are of high moral character even as they break the law.
Why target cyclists or any other athlete that does something similar for their betterment?
Actually, I'm serious. Why do we expect athletes not to act like the society they come from? Members of our society use drugs and its because government is being oppressive. Atheletes use drugs and they are living in a moral wasteland.
How does that work?
andyt @ Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:15 am
When we start adulating the stoners, giving them millions in endorsement contracts and setting them up as examples for kids, then maybe you'll have an equivalency. I agree it's stupid to ban Ulrich for using X or what's his for using pot, since they weren't doing it to gain an advantage over their opponents.
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