A final word to B_C's last post...
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Repost.. I have used a one wrong word. I have actually thouruly researched, analysed.

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asked plenty of questions before I went all the way with Born-again Christianity.
No, you asked one completely retarded one and then went on a tangent.
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Today it has made good effects on all my family, children. The Bible has very good guidelines that we try to follow. It has lotsa good benefits in it. It has brought order in OUR, OUR lifes, home, before there was disorder. Only one that has walked thru something, knows exactly what has benefited Him.
And you know what? There are millions of other families out there who have found the same things, without Christianity. What you need to do, is learn to accept that.
Brenda Brenda:
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
Oreo Oreo:
lily lily:
I respect your lack of faith.
Lack of faith????? Who says anyone of us has a lack of FAITH???
I have tones of faith......
Faith that I will get up each morning
Faith that I will get my job done each day
Faith that I will provide for and take care of my family
Faith that I will go to sleep each night
I do not need any book or person to tell me how to get through a day.
I can be sure of one thing and one thing only. When shit hits the fan, I will be the one left standing there to deal with it, me ane me alone. If I am expecting someone or something to deal with it for me then I will be in for a rud awakening.
So what are you saying? God is helpless? A weak God? He likes to help, no different than when your parents want to help you, When you ask for it. Woe to the Man/ woman that does not know how to ask for help when it's required.
The same I am saying. She believes in the only one she can really trust, herself.
No problem with that. Don't try to tell us different, it won't work. Leave us be non-believers, with faith in ourselves, not telling others to believe in us too.
Not everything is for a higher reason, at least, not in my book. No one will be able to get me out of a shithole if I was in, then me. No one else put me there, than me. In my opinion, my life is what I make of it.
It has nothing to do with asking help, it has everything to do with asking whom for help. My ask for help goes to people who I can see, and who can actually BE there. Inner help will come from myself. I make my own discisions, walk my own path in life.
It is a choice not to believe in God, as is it one to believe. Please, respect that. Don't tell me I'm some dimwitt who doesn't know what it is all about. Believing or not believing in your God, doesn't make me better or worse than you.
Pushing a religion through anyones throat does.
How am I pushing it dowm your throat? I have said time and time again. People have a freewill, God has given everyone of us a freewill, we are ALL freewill agents. I know you can embrace God, or you don't have to, and thats the choice you have, remember? Freewill? If you want to be independant? Thats your choice. Sometimes I need help, It's not a sin to ask for help, am I going to go to .......ummm hell? Of course not, not for that. Do I ask for help from other people? No, if I do, I pay them. Do I mind? Of course not.
IceOwl IceOwl:
B_C, you'd save yourself a lot of stress if you stopped preaching to other people and stop being so defensive about your beliefs. Does it really matter that much if someone doesn't hold the same beliefs you do? They're all just beliefs. Don't get so wrapped up in them.
All the things I have shared, I have tryed to straighten out some or lots of misconceptions of Biblical christianity. What it is and what it isn't. I have debated, reasoned with, Atheists, Muslims, Evolutionists, Catholics. Mormons to a degree. Bible says "Paul reasoned." Lotsa people call themselves Christians, yet they go and chop peoples heads off, or do crusades. Thats not born-again believes at all. I think it's a good thing that I (Christian) came in here to clarify any misconceptions of Biblical Christianity.
lily lily:
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Yes, but it can be proven that you've got no good reason to believe he exists.
You didn't say anything about hearing my reasons first.
You arrogantly claimed that it could be proven I've got no good reason to believe... without hearing them first.
Well unless you've got some groundbreaking, verifiable insight into the existance of God, I'm pretty sure I've heard your reasons in some form before.
No doubt you have plenty of reasons to have faith, but that's not something I'm interested in.
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
IceOwl IceOwl:
B_C, you'd save yourself a lot of stress if you stopped preaching to other people and stop being so defensive about your beliefs. Does it really matter that much if someone doesn't hold the same beliefs you do? They're all just beliefs. Don't get so wrapped up in them.
All the things I have shared, I have tryed to straighten out some or lots of misconceptions of Biblical christianity. What it is and what it isn't. I have debated, reasoned with, Atheists, Muslims, Evolutionists, Catholics. Mormons to a degree. Bible says "Paul reasoned." Lotsa people call themselves Christians, yet they go and chop peoples heads off, or do crusades. Thats not born-again believes at all. I think it's a good thing that I (Christian) came in here to clarify any misconceptions of Biblical Christianity.
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
or do crusades.
Spanish Inquisition..., Knights Templar quests...
"And these Pagans we shall KILL in the name of GOD!!!"
Needless to say... I do recall a passage.. stating a father sacrificing a son on an altar to gain forgiveness.
Now just exactly what are the misconceptions of BIBLICAL christianity you are trying to clarify?
So what exactly is being "born Again" other than a dismissed form of reincarnation perhaps.
lily lily:
Well, so long as you're okay with being pretty sure of something.
I'm also "pretty sure" that your reaction is a good indication that I was correct in being "arrogant".
Why would I presume that your faith in God was somehow special or novel?
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Spanish Inquisition..., Knights Templar quests...
"And these Pagans we shall KILL in the name of GOD!!!"
Needless to say... I do recall a passage.. stating a father sacrificing a son on an altar to gain forgiveness.
Now just exactly what are the misconceptions of BIBLICAL christianity you are trying to clarify?
So what exactly is being "born Again" other than a dismissed form of reincarnation perhaps.
I also seem to recall reading a passage where it goes along the lines of: "Take this sword, and with it, smite all who oppose you and God."
lily lily:
The really sad thing is - you people accuse B_C of pushing his religion on others, and you can't see that you're doing the exact same thing.
Plenty of us are religious. I'm getting pretty pissed off at the assumptions that it's a crutch and it shows a lack of intellect.
Religion to me is not a crutch, its not a tool, I don't use it to fit in, and I don't use it to stand out. Christianity is just what I believe so call me idiot say it keeps me from thinking I don't care.
lily lily:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
lily lily:
Well, so long as you're okay with being pretty sure of something.
I'm also "pretty sure" that your reaction is a good indication that I was correct in being "arrogant".
Why would I presume that your faith in God was somehow special or novel?
I didn't claim it was. But for a scientist who's all about proof - it's odd that you'd admit being "pretty sure" of something is good enough for you.
Nice to see you hold me to a higher standard than you do yourself.

Let's take a step back out of your twisted interpretation of what I said:
The original point I made is that the existance of a God doesn't have to be disproven, just your argument for it. Since faith isn't an argument, faith in God is easily refuted by any logical or scientific standard. That includes yours, whether you like it or not.
I don't care why you have faith, so your reasons for having it don't really matter. If they mattered, it wouldn't be called faith.
lily lily:
Actually, what you said was:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Yes, but it can be proven that you've got no good reason to believe he exists.
So... prove I've got no good reason to believe God exists.
I wrote that because you wrote that the existance of God can't be disproven - that is correct. It is impossible to prove he doesn't exist.
It is possible, however, to prove that your reasons are incorrect - the potential for your reasoning to be disproven exists.
I
didn't write, "It
is proven that you've got no reason to believe he exists" - that is a completely different statement.
I hope you're starting to understand.
If it's based on faith, I don't even have to try.
Oreo @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:59 pm
What happens if your kids grow up B_C and decide that the bible is not for them. That they do not believe what the bible says. Will you think less of them?
Oreo @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:07 pm
No, if my children decide that they need that in their life, then so be it. Honestly I might be a little dissapointed depending on how far they take it. But so be it.
I asked it because B_C keeps making refference to what it has done for him and his family (wife oops mate and kids)
Just wondering how he would feel if they decide that they do not want to be "Christian"