A final word to B_C's last post...
Banff @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:13 pm
I'm not sure I believe or have believed in God over my life , but I try to believe in him through Jesus . WHY? well its very simple I take the ten commandments and the words of Jesus and it makes sense . Call it a respect for the natural rules most people live by... but yeah I struggle with it .
Oreo @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:15 pm
No not really. I would hope that I have raised my children to be free standing individual thinkers. If it was something that they were doing to learn about religion, that would be fine, if it was something that they were doing to teach their own children about religion, then that would be fine. If they became born again.....I would definetly feel like I let them down.
GerryHurt @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:24 pm
Oreo Oreo:
No not really. I would hope that I have raised my children to be free standing individual thinkers. If it was something that they were doing to learn about religion, that would be fine, if it was something that they were doing to teach their own children about religion, then that would be fine. If they became born again.....I would definetly feel like I let them down.
If you raise your kids as "free standing thinkers" then why be disapointed if THEY decide to follow Jesus? Or do you not beleive that some one that is a "free standing thinker" can choose Christianity?
Oreo @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:29 pm
Like I mentioned in a previous post. "I" believe that anyone who is a die hard for "their" religion is using it as a crutch.
I want my children to be realists.
God or Jesus is not the reason for something
God or Jesus is not going to get them through something
And god or Jesus is not going to put food on their table or clothes on their back
God or Jesus is not going to make them a better person
The only thing or person who can do any of that for them is themselves!
GerryHurt @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:34 pm
lily lily:
$1:
If they became born again.....I would definetly feel like I let them down.
So you only believe in free thinking if it's the same thinking as yours.
You and B_C are heads and tails of the same coin.
agree with ya there.
GerryHurt @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:36 pm
Oreo Oreo:
Like I mentioned in a previous post. "I" believe that anyone who is a die hard for "their" religion is using it as a crutch.
I want my children to be realists.
God or Jesus is not the reason for something
God or Jesus is not going to get them through something
And god or Jesus is not going to put food on their table or clothes on their back
God or Jesus is not going to make them a better person
The only thing or person who can do any of that for them is themselves!
I want my children to be realists.
God or Jesus is not the reason for something
God or Jesus is not going to get them through something
And god or Jesus is not going to put food on their table or clothes on their back
God or Jesus is not going to make them a better person
The only thing or person who can do any of that for them is themselves!
and if your kids think differently, then they are wrong.....you are right....... and as Lily says.... it's only free thinking if that thinking agrees with your world view.
Oreo @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:43 pm
I dont believe in leaning on a crutch to get you through life.
God didnt do it
God is not going to do it
And God is not going to get you through it
The only person who can do any of these things is yourself.
Brenda @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:45 pm
$1:
and if your kids think differently, then they are wrong.....you are right....... and as Lily says.... it's only free thinking if that thinking agrees with your world view.
You are twisting her words around.
Would you just be "ahhhh, what the heck" if your kids decided to be Jehova's Witnesses? Or Muslims? Or throw the way YOU raised them away? If you taught her not to have sex before marriage, and she comes home pregnant at 16, would you be happy? Don't think so...
I definitely would not be happy, because that is not the way they are brought up.
Call me bad, but I will not tolerate my kids throw away everything they're taught for wanting to be part of a religion that is not fair to them. We are talking God here. Don't forget God and Allah are the same... I will fight it with everything I have. Eventually, I will have to accept, but that will NOT be without a very, very good conversation.
I don't understand why your believing in God is right, and us not believing is wrong...
Brenda @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:58 pm
lily lily:
$1:
I don't understand why your believing in God is right, and us not believing is wrong...
Who's saying that? If you read through this thread, it's actually the other way around - unless you mean something different when you refer to religion as a crutch?
Did I?
All I'm trying to say, is that the "believers" are trying to convince "non-believers" that we don't have the best thing in mind for our kids. I asked you to leave us be.
I raise my kids the say way. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do, or will be doing. It doesn't mean I want to behold them from mistakes. Before they burn themselves on hot water, I will have taken the water away.
I raise them knowing they will be great adults, who know their way around. Who can trust themselves, believe in themselves. So what is different with your way of raising them? Probably not much.
I have asked a question a few weeks ago in other thread, why believe in God at all, what is he doing for you. Man, was that a BAD question! Why can that not be an issue, but the way we stand in life, is?
Brenda @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:27 pm
lily lily:
$1:
Did I?
No, that's why I changed my post.
missed that one...$1:
$1:
I have asked a question a few weeks ago in other thread, why believe in God at all, what is he doing for you. Man, was that a BAD question! Why can that not be an issue, but the way we stand in life, is?
Why does God have to do anything for us?
Because you claim to get your help from him, he's the one who gives you the insights in life. Apperently he's doing something for you.
$1:
But really, the question is - why would you ask that question, and then ask "the believers" to leave you be?
Because I was kicked to the curbes when I asked that question, what seems to me to be a reasonable question.
Brenda @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:33 pm
lily lily:
$1:
Because you claim to get your help from him, he's the one who gives you the insights in life. Apperently he's doing something for you.
hmmm.... I don't think I've said that.
$1:
Because I was kicked to the curbes when I asked that question, what seems to me to be a reasonable question.
It might be a reasonable question, but you can't really tell people to leave you be while questioning/criticizing their beliefs.
Exactly. And the other way around is the same.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:46 pm
Questions are all cool. Sorry I didn't log out I was gone to do some errands for 8-9 hours. Have a good night.
hurley_108 @ Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:06 pm
IceOwl IceOwl:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
lily lily:
Actually, what you said was:
So... prove I've got no good reason to believe God exists.
I wrote that because you wrote that the existance of God can't be disproven - that is correct. It is impossible to prove he doesn't exist.Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Yes, but it can be proven that you've got no good reason to believe he exists.
So... prove I've got no good reason to believe God exists.
It is possible, however, to prove that your reasons are incorrect - the potential for your reasoning to be disproven exists.
But the most important question is, why does it matter? How does what one thinks about intangible ideas have any effect on you, as long as they aren't trying to hurt you with it?
Like Xerxes here quotes in his sig: "It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson
Blue_Nose @ Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:29 pm
IceOwl IceOwl:
But the most important question is, why does it matter? How does what one thinks about intangible ideas have any effect on you, as long as they aren't trying to hurt you with it?
Maybe because these ideas don't remain as "intangible" as you seem to think they do.