Are there really people like this?
ivywmn @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:35 pm
I agree, I'm the biggest advocate of freedom of expression you could meet, but that freedom doesn't include the freedom to incite violence and to harm people. And with freedom comes responsibility. Apparently this reverend's religious beliefs don't include using words responsibly. His mentality toward homosexuality is mind-boggling, but I have a family member whose attitudes toward gays and lesbians is only slightly more enlightened.
There is an equivalent type in the U.S., by the name of Fred Phelps. He travels the country preaching pretty vile stuff. If you remember the hate-crime killing of a young gay man named Matthew Shepherd some years ago in the U.S., Fred Phelps picketed his funeral. One community service group here had a brilliant idea for dealing with him, though. Phelps was picketing this agency because they serve mostly the gay and lesbian community. The agency's management decided to hold an event similar to the walks for causes like funding for breast cancer or multiple sclerosis research, where participants walk several miles and people sponsor them by pledging a certain amount of money to the cause for every mile walked. This agency contacted its supporters, and the supporters pledged a certain amount of money to the agency for every minute Fred Phelps was outside spewing his hate speech. So for every minute he was picketing and yelling slurs, he was doing fund-raising for the agency.
I just had to share that.
Gunnair @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:55 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
^^^^ In those cases, the courts will msot likey not listen to the defendant, but let's say for example that a guy comes out of an alley, charging at me with a knife, there's another eye-witness, and instead of giving this guy my stuff, I decide to put him in the hospital... I am completely in my rights to do so. If you are a Canadian citizen and if someone is attacking you and your life is truly in danger, you have every right to fight back and put that person in the hospital. If you end up killing them, it will more than likely go down as a case of manslaughter...
Exactly. Yes.
You can be charged. Not for murder, per say, but for something.
Not quite. If he comes at you with a knife, but doesn't make to attack you, just says to hand over your shit, you will be charged, most likely with murder. If he takes a swing at you that's different. Canada's self defense laws = shite. Not that it really matters either way. It's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. If a guy comes at you with a knife, own his face regardless.
Criminal Code, Sections 34-37
34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.
You can kill them if they're trying to kill you. It's reasonable force.
Gunnair @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:02 pm
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
My argument is exactly the same as the Canadian law's argument.
Self-Defence and protection for only as much as necessary.
The favoured option is to restrain the person. Or to stop them, but not to kill.
If he's waving a gun around and has fired off a few bullets, shoot him in the hand.
If he's coming at you with a knife, restrain him. Learn some damn martial arts, grab his arm and pin him. This is why I would keep a pair of handcuffs in my house.
Justified Killing can pretty much always be avoided. Perhaps the exception is hostage scenario's. Just take them out. Injuring/Restraining them is both Dangerous and Far too Risky. Then again, that's why we have negotiators.
But whatever. Do whatever you want to, let the court decide your fates.
Self-Defence and protection for only as much as necessary.
The favoured option is to restrain the person. Or to stop them, but not to kill.
If he's waving a gun around and has fired off a few bullets, shoot him in the hand.
If he's coming at you with a knife, restrain him. Learn some damn martial arts, grab his arm and pin him. This is why I would keep a pair of handcuffs in my house.
Justified Killing can pretty much always be avoided. Perhaps the exception is hostage scenario's. Just take them out. Injuring/Restraining them is both Dangerous and Far too Risky. Then again, that's why we have negotiators.
But whatever. Do whatever you want to, let the court decide your fates.
You really haven't had any experience with any of these scenarios have you? If you had, you would know what you typed is ridiculous. Trained police officers would likely not be able to shoot a handgun out of someone's hand, so how the hell would the average Joe on the street?
Fine, Right Arm. Or Right Shoulder
I'm going to guess you don't have much firearm experience.
There is a very straightforward reason that police and military are trained to fire at the centre of mass - it's the best insurance for hitting the perpetrator and missing the innocent.
djakeydd @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:12 pm
I wonder why the writer you quote didnt point out that gay males live about an average of 39. The big O had a couple of gays on her show and was promoting their philantropy and humaneness because they were "parenting" a group of orphans but she didnt mention it either. Call me goofy I guess..
hwacker @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:13 pm
westmanguy westmanguy:
http://canadianpastor.blogspot.com/
That was the letter that started a big controversy in the Alberta HRC.
I believe in freedom of speech, but restrictions have to come in when people call upon harm (either verbal or physical) onto an identifiable person or group.
Now I don't mean reading in that what someone says may possibly cause harm to that person or group, I mean specifically getting at that in there letter.
And I may actually believe this guy was close enough to the line, that he crossed it.
"take whatever steps are necessary to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn."
Thats the line that gets me...
On a religious note...how..uh? I just shake my head in disbelief read it, the bigotry, closed minded, moronic assanine, uh...is there really that much of the population that is like that guy?
That was the letter that started a big controversy in the Alberta HRC.
$1:
Homosexual Agenda Wicked
June 17, 2002
The following is not intended for those who are suffering from an unwanted sexual identity crisis. For you, I have understanding, care, compassion and tolerance. I sympathize with you and offer you my love and fellowship. I prayerfully beseech you to seek help, and I assure you that your present enslavement to homosexuality can be remedied. Many outspoken, former homosexuals are free today.
Instead, this is aimed precisely at every individual that in any way supports the homosexual machine that has been mercilessly gaining ground in our society since the 1960s. I cannot pity you any longer and remain inactive. You have caused far too much damage.
My banner has now been raised and war has been declared so as to defend the precious sanctity of our innocent children and youth, that you so eagerly toil, day and night, to consume. With me stand the greatest weapons that you have encountered to date - God and the "Moral Majority." Know this, we will defeat you, then heal the damage that you have caused. Modern society has become dispassionate to the cause of righteousness. Many people are so apathetic and desensitized today that they cannot even accurately define the term "morality."
The masses have dug in and continue to excuse their failure to stand against horrendous atrocities such as the aggressive propagation of homo- and bisexuality. Inexcusable justifications such as, "I'm just not sure where the truth lies," or "If they don't affect me then I don't care what they do," abound from the lips of the quantifiable majority.
Face the facts, it is affecting you. Like it or not, every professing heterosexual is have their future aggressively chopped at the roots.
Edmund Burke's observation that, "All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," has been confirmed time and time again. From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators.
Our children are being victimized by repugnant and premeditated strategies, aimed at desensitizing and eventually recruiting our young into their camps. Think about it, children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights.
Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that men kissing men is appropriate.
Your teenagers are being instructed on how to perform so-called safe same gender oral and anal sex and at the same time being told that it is normal, natural and even productive. Will your child be the next victim that tests homosexuality positive?
Come on people, wake up! It's time to stand together and take whatever steps are necessary to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn. Where homosexuality flourishes, all manner of wickedness abounds.
Regardless of what you hear, the militant homosexual agenda isn't rooted in protecting homosexuals from "gay bashing." The agenda is clearly about homosexual activists that include, teachers, politicians, lawyers, Supreme Court judges, and God forbid, even so-called ministers, who are all determined to gain complete equality in our nation and even worse, our world.
Don't allow yourself to be deceived any longer. These activists are not morally upright citizens, concerned about the best interests of our society. They are perverse, self-centered and morally deprived individuals who are spreading their psychological disease into every area of our lives. Homosexual rights activists and those that defend them, are just as immoral as the pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps that plague our communities.
The homosexual agenda is not gaining ground because it is morally backed. It is gaining ground simply because you, Mr. and Mrs. Heterosexual, do nothing to stop it. It is only a matter of time before some of these morally bankrupt individuals such as those involved with NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Lovers Association, will achieve their goal to have sexual relations with children and assert that it is a matter of free choice and claim that we are intolerant bigots not to accept it.
If you are reading this and think that this is alarmist, then I simply ask you this: how bad do things have to become before you will get involved? It's time to start taking back what the enemy has taken from you. The safety and future of our children is at stake.
Rev Stephen Boissoin
June 17, 2002
The following is not intended for those who are suffering from an unwanted sexual identity crisis. For you, I have understanding, care, compassion and tolerance. I sympathize with you and offer you my love and fellowship. I prayerfully beseech you to seek help, and I assure you that your present enslavement to homosexuality can be remedied. Many outspoken, former homosexuals are free today.
Instead, this is aimed precisely at every individual that in any way supports the homosexual machine that has been mercilessly gaining ground in our society since the 1960s. I cannot pity you any longer and remain inactive. You have caused far too much damage.
My banner has now been raised and war has been declared so as to defend the precious sanctity of our innocent children and youth, that you so eagerly toil, day and night, to consume. With me stand the greatest weapons that you have encountered to date - God and the "Moral Majority." Know this, we will defeat you, then heal the damage that you have caused. Modern society has become dispassionate to the cause of righteousness. Many people are so apathetic and desensitized today that they cannot even accurately define the term "morality."
The masses have dug in and continue to excuse their failure to stand against horrendous atrocities such as the aggressive propagation of homo- and bisexuality. Inexcusable justifications such as, "I'm just not sure where the truth lies," or "If they don't affect me then I don't care what they do," abound from the lips of the quantifiable majority.
Face the facts, it is affecting you. Like it or not, every professing heterosexual is have their future aggressively chopped at the roots.
Edmund Burke's observation that, "All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," has been confirmed time and time again. From kindergarten class on, our children, your grandchildren are being strategically targeted, psychologically abused and brainwashed by homosexual and pro-homosexual educators.
Our children are being victimized by repugnant and premeditated strategies, aimed at desensitizing and eventually recruiting our young into their camps. Think about it, children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights.
Your children are being warped into believing that same-sex families are acceptable; that men kissing men is appropriate.
Your teenagers are being instructed on how to perform so-called safe same gender oral and anal sex and at the same time being told that it is normal, natural and even productive. Will your child be the next victim that tests homosexuality positive?
Come on people, wake up! It's time to stand together and take whatever steps are necessary to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn. Where homosexuality flourishes, all manner of wickedness abounds.
Regardless of what you hear, the militant homosexual agenda isn't rooted in protecting homosexuals from "gay bashing." The agenda is clearly about homosexual activists that include, teachers, politicians, lawyers, Supreme Court judges, and God forbid, even so-called ministers, who are all determined to gain complete equality in our nation and even worse, our world.
Don't allow yourself to be deceived any longer. These activists are not morally upright citizens, concerned about the best interests of our society. They are perverse, self-centered and morally deprived individuals who are spreading their psychological disease into every area of our lives. Homosexual rights activists and those that defend them, are just as immoral as the pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps that plague our communities.
The homosexual agenda is not gaining ground because it is morally backed. It is gaining ground simply because you, Mr. and Mrs. Heterosexual, do nothing to stop it. It is only a matter of time before some of these morally bankrupt individuals such as those involved with NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Lovers Association, will achieve their goal to have sexual relations with children and assert that it is a matter of free choice and claim that we are intolerant bigots not to accept it.
If you are reading this and think that this is alarmist, then I simply ask you this: how bad do things have to become before you will get involved? It's time to start taking back what the enemy has taken from you. The safety and future of our children is at stake.
Rev Stephen Boissoin
I believe in freedom of speech, but restrictions have to come in when people call upon harm (either verbal or physical) onto an identifiable person or group.
Now I don't mean reading in that what someone says may possibly cause harm to that person or group, I mean specifically getting at that in there letter.
And I may actually believe this guy was close enough to the line, that he crossed it.
"take whatever steps are necessary to reverse the wickedness that our lethargy has authorized to spawn."
Thats the line that gets me...
On a religious note...how..uh? I just shake my head in disbelief read it, the bigotry, closed minded, moronic assanine, uh...is there really that much of the population that is like that guy?
Yep, there are people like that.
http://ezralevant.com/2008/08/i-have-be ... her-h.html
http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/
http://www.theinterim.com/2008/july/02alberta.html
and FYI muslims hate gays far more............................
hwacker @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:26 pm
And westmanguy for posting that little snippet you could open CKA up for Rob Wells the gay fighting activist to file a HRC suit.
that would be ironic if he files that against you, until he finds out you're gay then he'll ask you out for drinks ![[B-o]](./images/smilies/drinkup.gif "Drink up")
hwacker @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:36 pm
$1:
Earlier this week, the RCMP investigated an Alberta man who had a bumper sticker with two words: One a popular, four-letter curse word, the other Harper.
Rob Wells received a letter asking him to remove the offending sticker from his vehicle, after another Alberta resident complained.
However, the RCMP decided this would infringe on Wells's right to freedom of expression, and decided not to prosecute.
Rob Wells received a letter asking him to remove the offending sticker from his vehicle, after another Alberta resident complained.
However, the RCMP decided this would infringe on Wells's right to freedom of expression, and decided not to prosecute.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Canada
POS this "guy" Rob Wells is
ShepherdsDog @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:40 pm
$1:
I believe in freedom of speech, but restrictions have to come in
We already have laws to deal with threats being uttered. I can't help but feel that what you said is synonymous with, 'I don't hate (insert group), some of my best friends are (insert group), but...'
SoonCAN @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:45 am
Greetings all!
My wife and I are in the very early stages of an emigration from the US to Canada. For several years now, we have lived in the heart of the Bible Belt (Texas and Arkansas) as pagans and I can tell you that only one of our reasons for leaving the states is because of the growing influence of Christianity in politics at the local, state and national levels.
How influencial is so-called "conservative" Christianity and Evangelicalism in the provinces of Canada? Are there some provinces that are more right-wing than others?
Many thanks for any information anyone can provide and I look forward to spending more time on these boards 
BartSimpson @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:04 am
warwickgreen warwickgreen:
Unfortunately there are those who want to impose their views on others.
Indeed. And in the name of not imposing views on others then Canadians in general should have the same rights that muslims have in Canada and that is the right to keep their child out of classes promoting the acceptance and practice of acts contrary to their beliefs.
BartSimpson @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:06 am
SoonCAN SoonCAN:
Greetings all!
My wife and I are in the very early stages of an emigration from the US to Canada. For several years now, we have lived in the heart of the Bible Belt (Texas and Arkansas) as pagans and I can tell you that only one of our reasons for leaving the states is because of the growing influence of Christianity in politics at the local, state and national levels.
How influencial is so-called "conservative" Christianity and Evangelicalism in the provinces of Canada? Are there some provinces that are more right-wing than others?
Many thanks for any information anyone can provide and I look forward to spending more time on these boards
My wife and I are in the very early stages of an emigration from the US to Canada. For several years now, we have lived in the heart of the Bible Belt (Texas and Arkansas) as pagans and I can tell you that only one of our reasons for leaving the states is because of the growing influence of Christianity in politics at the local, state and national levels.
How influencial is so-called "conservative" Christianity and Evangelicalism in the provinces of Canada? Are there some provinces that are more right-wing than others?
Many thanks for any information anyone can provide and I look forward to spending more time on these boards
Move to Quebec. There's very little evidence of Christianity in Quebec so I'm sure you'll be comfortable there.
Streaker @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:19 pm
SoonCAN SoonCAN:
Greetings all!
My wife and I are in the very early stages of an emigration from the US to Canada. For several years now, we have lived in the heart of the Bible Belt (Texas and Arkansas) as pagans and I can tell you that only one of our reasons for leaving the states is because of the growing influence of Christianity in politics at the local, state and national levels.
How influencial is so-called "conservative" Christianity and Evangelicalism in the provinces of Canada? Are there some provinces that are more right-wing than others?
Many thanks for any information anyone can provide and I look forward to spending more time on these boards
My wife and I are in the very early stages of an emigration from the US to Canada. For several years now, we have lived in the heart of the Bible Belt (Texas and Arkansas) as pagans and I can tell you that only one of our reasons for leaving the states is because of the growing influence of Christianity in politics at the local, state and national levels.
How influencial is so-called "conservative" Christianity and Evangelicalism in the provinces of Canada? Are there some provinces that are more right-wing than others?
Many thanks for any information anyone can provide and I look forward to spending more time on these boards
Avoid Alberta and you'll be happy, if escaping bible-thumpers is your thing.
westmanguy @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:41 pm
Stay out of:
Alberta
Southern Manitoba
Southern Saskatchewan
Interior British Columbia
etc.
Basically all of rural Canada has some religious component to it...
Stick to the cities, lol.
I am in the Mennonite Bible Belt of Manitoba. *sigh* 
Brenda @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:01 pm
Interior of BC? Why? Hell, I live in the most beautiful spot in South BC, and YES, it is called the Interior!
I am not religious, and nobody cares. Of course, there are many churches, but no one is telling me to go there!
westmanguy @ Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:47 pm
lol, yeah Christians in Canada keep their religion to themselves, unlike American Christians.
Basically you just need to stay out of Alberta.