Creationism museum to open in Alberta
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grainfedprairieboy @ Wed May 30, 2007 10:13 pm
hurley_108 hurley_108:
But seriously, this "museum" will provide nothing to society. This is a house of negative intelligence and anti-fact. This "museum" will do more harm than good, as there is no good that can possbly come from it.
Strike the word "museum" and insert the word "bathhouse" and I concur completely. However, the bathhouse should still be permitted to exist not just as a social club for expatriate Easterners but for the simple fact that diversity and tolerance must extend beyond a few select groups.
Blue_Nose @ Wed May 30, 2007 10:40 pm
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
But seriously, this "museum" will provide nothing to society. This is a house of negative intelligence and anti-fact. This "museum" will do more harm than good, as there is no good that can possbly come from it.
Strike the word "museum" and insert the word "bathhouse" and I concur completely. However, the bathhouse should still be permitted to exist not just as a social club for expatriate Easterners but for the simple fact that diversity and tolerance must extend beyond a few select groups.
Kenazo @ Wed May 30, 2007 11:05 pm
The funny thing is that this museum will undoubtedly be based on a fellow named Kent Hovind's teachings. He's huge with fundie Christian creationists. The kicker is that he's currently serving a ten-year term in U.S. federal prison for 58 tax offenses, obstructing federal agents and related charges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind
Although I support their right to have this museum of theirs, the whole idea is ridiculous. In order to believe in literal creationism you're stuck believing that your God has deceived you and has created a world that is younger than it appears, which seems to be in direct opposition with everything else that Christians believe about the nature of God. So, as a Christian, either your God is a fraud, or perhaps you're reading and interpreting the Bible wrong and you need to kick guys like the Museum owner and Kent Hovind to the curb with the trash.
ziggy @ Thu May 31, 2007 12:05 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Ya! heh! My boss 3 years ago told me to go to big valley and I thought it was where the big valley jamboree was held near Camrose,it wasnt but was about a half hour drive from Trochu or Elnora,east towards Castor and Halkirk.
About 3 years ago I drove a 14g grader from Elnora turnoff on #22 to big valley everyday.
Sometimes I went to Innisfail,sometimes 3hills,all over the place,I graded the bottom half of Alberta. 
The bar in Big valley is old,like going back 80 years,6 vlt's on the wall,across the street is the railway museum,remeniscent of when something actually happened in that town....probably 50 years ago.
lots of religious dutch christians like any rural Alberta town. I was actually thinking of going up there this week to see if some of my ol oilpatch buds were still around.One thing about Alberta rural roads....there all paved. 
And better then most Sask. roads
(I prefer flying over that province) 
hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 7:10 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
But seriously, this "museum" will provide nothing to society. This is a house of negative intelligence and anti-fact. This "museum" will do more harm than good, as there is no good that can possbly come from it.
Strike the word "museum" and insert the word "bathhouse" and I concur completely. However, the bathhouse should still be permitted to exist not just as a social club for expatriate Easterners but for the simple fact that diversity and tolerance must extend beyond a few select groups.
The two could not be more different. A "bath house" is a place where consenting adults engage in behaviours that may be unsavory to some, but ultimately harmless to society.
This "museum" stands for nothing but fighting hundreds of years of scientific progress with lies and mythology. Every person who visits that "museum" and leaves believing a shred of it is less informed.
People who go to bath houses and engage in homosexual sex do so consentually. People who go into this "museum" ignorant of its falsehood get intellectually raped by its content.
ziggy @ Thu May 31, 2007 7:26 am
Funny thing is theres dino fossills scattered all around big valley.Then again thats one town with lots of unsolved murders as everyone has the same DNA.
Blue_Nose @ Thu May 31, 2007 7:31 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
Every person who visits that "museum" and leaves believing a shred of it is less informed.
The thing is, it'll only confirm their already existing beliefs. Most people go to a museum of natural history, for example, to learn something new. Nobody goes to see dinosaurs for the purpose of confirming their belief in evolution - they want to see dinosaurs and fossils because they're cool, and learn about evolution in the process.
The creationists, on the other hand, have no interest in that - they only want to learn as much as they want to learn how to validate their baseless beliefs, and believing that they're doing so in a "real museum" makes it easier.
Banff @ Thu May 31, 2007 7:57 am
I think if you've never been to the Tyrell Museum in Drumheller then you're probably an idiot 
just kidding, but its a very worthwhile place to visit ...now the creationism museum should be interesting I hope its not going to be lame . Whoever goes take alot of pics and post them .
kathematics @ Thu May 31, 2007 8:17 am
im all for this guy opening this museum. its his right and choice as it would be for someone opening a museum of evolution (or as we call them museums)
BartSimpson @ Thu May 31, 2007 8:26 am
grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
But seriously, this "museum" will provide nothing to society. This is a house of negative intelligence and anti-fact. This "museum" will do more harm than good, as there is no good that can possbly come from it.
Strike the word "museum" and insert the word "bathhouse" and I concur completely. However, the bathhouse should still be permitted to exist not just as a social club for expatriate Easterners but for the simple fact that diversity and tolerance must extend beyond a few select groups.
BartSimpson @ Thu May 31, 2007 8:30 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
People who go into this "museum" ignorant of its falsehood get intellectually raped by its content.
So then I take it you'd then support putting government mandated disclaimers about this museum in front of it so that unsuspecting visitors are not intellectually 'raped'?
Naturally, you'd also then advocate similar disclaimers in front of mosques, Mormon temples, Scientology fraud centres, and etc.?
hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 8:40 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
People who go into this "museum" ignorant of its falsehood get intellectually raped by its content.
So then I take it you'd then support putting government mandated disclaimers about this museum in front of it so that unsuspecting visitors are not intellectually 'raped'?
Naturally, you'd also then advocate similar disclaimers in front of mosques, Mormon temples, Scientology fraud centres, and etc.?
Oh go fuck yourself. Of course I wouldn't support such disclaimers.
This is simply the other edge of free speech. It's lamentable, but not preventable that some nutjobs are going to go and spew utter garbage. But that's their right. All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
BartSimpson @ Thu May 31, 2007 8:49 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
Oh go fuck yourself.
So much for polite discourse.
hurley_108 hurley_108:
Of course I wouldn't support such disclaimers.
This is simply the other edge of free speech. It's lamentable, but not preventable that some nutjobs are going to go and spew utter garbage. But that's their right. All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
This is simply the other edge of free speech. It's lamentable, but not preventable that some nutjobs are going to go and spew utter garbage. But that's their right. All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
I'm not trying to piss you off here, but my point is that your opinion of what is 'true and accurate' may not be in agreement with what others find to be true and accurate.
They have a right to their opinions and you need to respect that for the day when people like yourself are in the minority and it is your opinion that is being ridiculed by a majority.
Let them do what they want and leave them alone. Ignore them if you want to. That's probably the most reasonable thing to do here.
hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:04 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
Of course I wouldn't support such disclaimers.
This is simply the other edge of free speech. It's lamentable, but not preventable that some nutjobs are going to go and spew utter garbage. But that's their right. All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
This is simply the other edge of free speech. It's lamentable, but not preventable that some nutjobs are going to go and spew utter garbage. But that's their right. All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
I'm not trying to piss you off here, but my point is that your opinion of what is 'true and accurate' may not be in agreement with what others find to be true and accurate.
Truth is truth. Truth is not subject to the whims of fancy. It is not true that the earth is 6000 or 10000 years old, no matter how many people think it is, or how hard they think it. It's just not so. It is not true that dinosaurs and man coexisted at any point. These things are not debatable. There are no "sides to the story" other than a right side and a wrong side.
$1:
They have a right to their opinions and you need to respect that for the day when people like yourself are in the minority and it is your opinion that is being ridiculed by a majority.
People do have a right to their opinions, yes, but no, I don't have to respect them. Do you respect a man who says the world is flat and the sun revolves around it?
$1:
Let them do what they want and leave them alone. Ignore them if you want to. That's probably the most reasonable thing to do here.
A person can ignore these folk, but not everyone will ignore it. Some will go, and the idea may spread. It would be as irresponsible of society to sit idly by and do nothing about it as it would be to do nothing about a spreading disease epidemic.
This may be nothing. This may be everything. To overreact and to underreact are equally dangerous. We must keep an eye on the situation, though.
Blue_Nose @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:11 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
A person can ignore these folk, but not everyone will ignore it. Some will go, and the idea may spread. It would be as irresponsible of society to sit idly by and do nothing about it as it would be to do nothing about a spreading disease epidemic.
This may be nothing. This may be everything. To overreact and to underreact are equally dangerous. We must keep an eye on the situation, though.
You're overreacting - this museum isn't going to change the world.
This may be nothing. This may be everything. To overreact and to underreact are equally dangerous. We must keep an eye on the situation, though.
The idea will "spread" as much as permitting "bath houses" will spread homosexuality.
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