Creationism museum to open in Alberta
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Clogeroo @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:20 am
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All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
You mean like here we are going to have homosexual curriculum now? I doubt it will be anything true and accurate like all the other nonsense they shove down children's throats. You may criticise this privately owned museum but the government backs some other looney things as well that have nothing to do with science or advancing people’s education. At least with this museum you are not being forced to go there or visit.
hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:23 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
A person can ignore these folk, but not everyone will ignore it. Some will go, and the idea may spread. It would be as irresponsible of society to sit idly by and do nothing about it as it would be to do nothing about a spreading disease epidemic.
This may be nothing. This may be everything. To overreact and to underreact are equally dangerous. We must keep an eye on the situation, though.
You're overreacting - this museum isn't going to change the world.This may be nothing. This may be everything. To overreact and to underreact are equally dangerous. We must keep an eye on the situation, though.
The idea will "spread" as much as permitting "bath houses" will spread homosexuality.
Ideas are communicable, homosexuality isn't, and the idea is spreading. This is the first intrusion into Canada I've seen of a basic system of thought that has been spreading rampantly in the US, with two states (Kansas, where it almost got in; and Ohio, where the fight was over almost as it began) having to actively fight against people demanding that intelligent design be taught in schools alongside evolution. This is not trivial.
I'll admit that this museum is more of a symptom of the disease than the disease itself, but how do you gauge the level of infection if you don't observe the symptoms?
Edit: There was an ID push in Pennsylvania, too.
Toro @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:26 am
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hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:27 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
You mean like here we are going to have homosexual curriculum now? I doubt it will be anything true and accurate like all the other nonsense they shove down children's throats. You may criticise this privately owned museum but the government backs some other looney things as well that have nothing to do with science or advancing people’s education. At least with this museum you are not being forced to go there or visit.
What is this homosexual curriculum you keep blathering about, anyways? What are they teaching?
Clogeroo @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:32 am
$1:
What is this homosexual curriculum you keep blathering about, anyways? What are they teaching?
About homosexuals and their life in society and what they do and how homosexuals have shaped the world. Basically propaganda telling you how great homosexuals are from kindergarten to grade 12.
Blue_Nose @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:37 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
the idea is spreading.
On the contrary - I think these attempts to force creationism are desperate attempts by the church to remain relevant in an increasingly secular society. With more people turning to science for real answers, Creationists respond with their own "version" of science to back up their beliefs.hurley_108 hurley_108:
This is the first intrusion into Canada I've seen of a basic system of thought that has been spreading rampantly in the US
Um, Christianity has been around for a long time in Canada - certainly we haven't had the issues as the US has had with public education, but I doubt this museum will lead to that.
ziggy @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:42 am
Big valley is pure redneck Alberta bible belt country where people have huge cross's on their property and everything closes on sunday,except the bar. 
Most people couldnt even find it let alone the museum.Good for tourism,they may suck a few away from the Tyrell.
DerbyX @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:48 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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All the government can do is try and make sure the truth is heard by providing funding to true museums like the Tyrrell, by making sure that the school curricula are sound, and by making sure that wherever the government directly puts forth a message (as on interpretive signs in government parks and such) that those messages are true and accurate.
You mean like here we are going to have homosexual curriculum now? I doubt it will be anything true and accurate like all the other nonsense they shove down children's throats. You may criticise this privately owned museum but the government backs some other looney things as well that have nothing to do with science or advancing people’s education. At least with this museum you are not being forced to go there or visit.
What nonsense are you referring to?
Math? Science? Chemistry?
hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:49 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
the idea is spreading.
On the contrary - I think these attempts to force creationism are desperate attempts by the church to remain relevant in an increasingly secular society. With more people turning to science for real answers, Creationists respond with their own "version" of science to back up their beliefs.They're not pushing creationism anymore, they're pushing "intelligent design." There's a subtle difference in that creationism typically says that God did it directly, whereas ID is a softer ideology naming no specific deity, only saying that there are things in biology "too complex" for evolution to have made them, and that some "intelligent designer" must have had a role.
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hurley_108 hurley_108:
This is the first intrusion into Canada I've seen of a basic system of thought that has been spreading rampantly in the US
Um, Christianity has been around for a long time in Canada Christianity has been around a while, but ID is new.
$1:
- certainly we haven't had the issues as the US has had with public education, but I doubt this museum will lead to that.
You're probably right, but it would be foohardy to just completely ignore it.
DerbyX @ Thu May 31, 2007 9:51 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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What is this homosexual curriculum you keep blathering about, anyways? What are they teaching?
About homosexuals and their life in society and what they do and how homosexuals have shaped the world. Basically propaganda telling you how great homosexuals are from kindergarten to grade 12.
I guess it wouldn't bother you if it were Xtian propaganda eh?
BTW, there is no homosexual agenda in schools nor are children being taught that rubbish you just spouted.
If its mentioned at all they are taught that there is nothing evil or wrong with being gay.
Saying otherwise would be teaching "religious propaganda" and vile propaganda at that.
kathematics @ Thu May 31, 2007 10:03 am
i think we could probably all agree that no one is going to convert or leave any churches because of this guy's museum. its relatively harmless
Blue_Nose @ Thu May 31, 2007 10:10 am
hurley_108 hurley_108:
They're not pushing creationism anymore, they're pushing "intelligent design." There's a subtle difference in that creationism typically says that God did it directly, whereas ID is a softer ideology naming no specific deity, only saying that there are things in biology "too complex" for evolution to have made them, and that some "intelligent designer" must have had a role.
Tomato, tomato.(that expression doesn't work so well in text)
It's the same old story in a new package. There's a new push with "ID", to be sure - that's because "Creationism" has been socially equated with "mental disability" and they think they can get a fresh start by repackaging it.
hurley_108 hurley_108:
You're probably right, but it would be foohardy to just completely ignore it.
I never suggested ignoring it - hell, I'd go to see it myself if it were here, out of pure interest in what they came up with - but trying to hide ideas from people "for their own good" both insults their intelligence and undermines any notion of free speech or thought.
DerbyX @ Thu May 31, 2007 10:13 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Tomato, tomato.
(that expression doesn't work so well in text)
(that expression doesn't work so well in text)
hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 10:22 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
It's the same old story in a new package. There's a new push with "ID", to be sure - that's because "Creationism" has been socially equated with "mental disability" and they think they can get a fresh start by repackaging it.
Also they were blocked from pushing creationism because creationism is religion, and there's separation of church and state. ID is "science," or so they claim, and they'd hoped to get it in through the back door.
$1:
I never suggested ignoring it - hell, I'd go to see it myself if it were here, out of pure interest in what they came up with - but trying to hide ideas from people "for their own good" both insults their intelligence and undermines any notion of free speech or thought.
I never said hide it.
hurley_108 @ Thu May 31, 2007 10:24 am
In any case, the media is doing a piss-poor job of ignoring it. The Edmonton Journal put a story about it on the front page a few days ago, and this thread started with a cbc.ca article on it.
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