Jesus Camp
USCAdad @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:17 am
dubyah dubyah:
What I find disturbing is all the time and effort you spend pissing your pants about Christians when there is a religion out there that is actually DANGEROUS. Where is the thread about all the madrassas? They didn't teach these christian kids how to make vest bombs, now did they? There is no concept of 'jihad' in christianity, now is there?
You haven't been around long enough. Here's one for you. You can search for others if you wish. Islamic Thread
You make two mistakes:
1) Christians don't do dasturdly deeds. Look at Uganda and the LRA:
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The LRA rebels say they are fighting for the establishment of a government based on the biblical Ten Commandments. They are notorious for kidnapping children and forcing them to become rebel fighters or concubines. More than one-half-million people in Uganda's Gulu and Kitgum districts have been displaced by the fighting and are living in temporary camps, protected by the army.
2) Violence and war are really the only notable abuses of power that should be feared. Dominionism and theocratic tendencies are more dangereous to Western society than the loss of a few towers. The West has fought for hundreds of years to free government from the control of religious dogmatists. Turning back the clock doesn't leave bodies.... yet.
The religious exctasy that "Christians" have gotten themselves into over SSM, Shiavo, and Stem Cell have taken government way beyond where it should be. I know that most pundits credit your poor handling of the war with recent electoral lossess. I'd say it's that you've lost the middle due to your theocracy. Which has done more damage to the Republican party, Iraq or the American Taliban?
dubyah @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:27 am
*yawn*
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Mary, fifteen:
Kony was talking of the overthrow of the government and was prophesizing that the government would soon come to an end. He said it was wrong that Museveni was ruling over the Acholi. "Let him go rule his own people in the south and west," he said, "But we will not let him rule in Acholiland."
Western news reports tend to depict Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army as a group of violent Christian fundamentalists, committed to establishing a government based upon the Ten Commandments. This is a misleading oversimplification, however. Kony was brought up partially in the Catholic tradition, and claims to be doing the bidding of the Holy Spirit, but in practice the rebels perform an eclectic mix of rituals, some drawn from Christianity, some from the indigenous Acholi tribal religion, and, increasingly, some from Islam.
Kony was talking of the overthrow of the government and was prophesizing that the government would soon come to an end. He said it was wrong that Museveni was ruling over the Acholi. "Let him go rule his own people in the south and west," he said, "But we will not let him rule in Acholiland."
Western news reports tend to depict Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army as a group of violent Christian fundamentalists, committed to establishing a government based upon the Ten Commandments. This is a misleading oversimplification, however. Kony was brought up partially in the Catholic tradition, and claims to be doing the bidding of the Holy Spirit, but in practice the rebels perform an eclectic mix of rituals, some drawn from Christianity, some from the indigenous Acholi tribal religion, and, increasingly, some from Islam.
http://www.hrw.org/reports97/uganda/
That's from Human Rights Watch, not exactly a pro-christian, anti-islamic group. Furthermore, Kony's does what he does in spite of the bible whereas jihadists are doing exactly as their "holy" book commands. Further STILL is that you are only able to provide ONE questionable example of christians behaving badly. And please don't be such a loser that you bring up events that happened a millenia ago.
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The West has fought for hundreds of years to free government from the control of religious dogmatists. Turning back the clock doesn't leave bodies.... yet.
Jeebuz help is, USCAdad is a paranoid freak. No wonder he's a libertarian. Those who think that the government is 'turning theocratic' are such lame excuses for human beings, let alone intellectuals, that I cannot bring myself to debate further.
Christianity is as bad as islam...
Bush is turning the US into a theocracy...
Christianity is as bad as islam...
Bush is turning the US into a theocracy...
Christianity is as bad as islam...
Bush is turning the US into a theocracy...
Christianity is as bad as islam...
Bush is turning the US into a theocracy...
Say it enough and it becomes true!!!
Get some help, USCAdad.
W.
USCAdad @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:56 am
Falling back on personal atacks when the obvious is in front of your face, has been kind of a hallmark of your career. It's nice to have someone around that's willing to play the part.
Unless the Republican party is willing to become a Southern Christian party, it's going to have to adjust it's positions. I'm not the only one saying this.
dubyah @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:36 am
1) LRA is not entirely christian, nor does it follow christian teaching.
2) Jihadists are following their holy book exactly.
3) You have but one, little, insignificant example.
How can I merely be "falling back" on personal attacks when you've made no serious argument to begin with?
USCAdad, from an American to an ignorant, let me reassure you that christianity is not taking over America in any way, shape, or form. It is in your head.
W.
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Unless the Republican party is willing to become a Southern Christian party, it's going to have to adjust it's positions. I'm not the only one saying this.
Thank you, master of the obvious. I am one of the other people who has said so on this board. Those evangelicals that are going to vote, are going to vote. They need not be pandered to. They should be forgotted about. I personally think that the GOP should forget about minorities as well. The only demographic that matters is those people who describe themselves as "independant" and/or "moderate." It sucks that our democracy is effectively controlled by the milquetoast.
W.
USCAdad @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:51 am
dubyah dubyah:
1) LRA is not entirely christian, nor does it follow christian teaching.
2) Jihadists are following their holy book exactly.
3) You have but one, little, insignificant example.
How can I merely be "falling back" on personal attacks when you've made no serious argument to begin with?
USCAdad, from an American to an ignorant, let me reassure you that christianity is not taking over America in any way, shape, or form. It is in your head.
W.
2) Jihadists are following their holy book exactly.
3) You have but one, little, insignificant example.
How can I merely be "falling back" on personal attacks when you've made no serious argument to begin with?
USCAdad, from an American to an ignorant, let me reassure you that christianity is not taking over America in any way, shape, or form. It is in your head.
W.
Christians don't adhere to many biblical mandates, they pick and choose for the most part. I don't know the Quaran. I know there are terrible things in the Bible. The Old Testament God was a terrible lad.
You're asking for a list of thuggery from the Christian side. My position is that you're right; at the moment the Islamisists are really mired in acts of brutality. My point is that thuggery is low level stuff really. Suits and lawyers can cause as much damage as your local gangbanger. True, they're not likely to shoot you dead but they can do broader more complete damage.
Let's look at you. I'd say you're not likely to shoot someone, but you may have been hanging out with Cheney too long
However, in your own religious zealotry you have destabalized the middle east and caused much more death (both directly and indirectly) than the jihadi's have thus far been able to acomplish.
You claim that Fundamentalism is not taking over America, and yet your own political strategies rely on this phenomena. Looks like Turd Blossom was wrong about the nonexistant middle. Pat Robertson has a bigger viewership than MSNBC. It's a sizeable voting block, just not big enough to get you a majority.
dubyah @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:59 am
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My point is that thuggery is low level stuff really. Suits and lawyers can cause as much damage as your local gangbanger. True, they're not likely to shoot you dead but they can do broader more complete damage.
I apologize for not seeing your 'point' buried in all that christophobic paranoia. I could not possibly agree more about this point. In the US, lawyers have done a great deal more to stifle the liberty of the American citizen than has al qaeda. I hardly think of lawyers when I think of "talibangelicals." Rather, I think of lawyers when I think of leftists. The two largest doners to the DNC are the trial lawyers guild and the teacher's union. They're all scum, and are liberty is threatened far more by leftist lawyers than by christian fundimentalists.
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However, in your own religious zealotry you have destabalized the middle east and caused much more death (both directly and indirectly) than the jihadi's have thus far been able to acomplish.
That you believe that I pushed for war in Iraq and Afghanistan out of "religious zealotry" is truly a shame. God did not tell me to invade iraq - that palestinian propagandist was lying. That you believe him is pathetic.
You and I cannot debate on this topic so long as we cannot agree on a few basic truths. You believe that rightwing christianity is taking over America, and/or that it is a greater threat to the security of the west than is jihadist islam. I find this position to be both laughable and contemptable at the same time. The reason that you do not write a littany of christian terror attacks in recent times is because you cannot. It just isn't true.
Adieu,
W.
dubyah @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:01 pm
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You claim that Fundamentalism is not taking over America, and yet your own political strategies rely on this phenomena.
It, what ever it is, lost this past month. Christianity is not taking over America. The idea is silly.
Ta,
W.
Firecat @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:18 pm
lily lily:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Why is this in the conservative party section? This is not even from Canada.
I post a lot of dirt on scandels and corruption, much of it involving the Liberals, and I put it in the general thread because I believe it is of interest to all voters. I have respected the party sections and because I'm not a Lib or NDP, I've pretty much stayed out.
Can we please move this to a more appropriate section? This has nothing to do with the CPC, except as a pathetic attempt to further the religious right boogy man.
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This is a Conservative Party forum meant for like-minded discussion, if you want to flame or debate in open, please use the main Canadian Politics forum. Post Conservative party news & documents.
I post a lot of dirt on scandels and corruption, much of it involving the Liberals, and I put it in the general thread because I believe it is of interest to all voters. I have respected the party sections and because I'm not a Lib or NDP, I've pretty much stayed out.
Can we please move this to a more appropriate section? This has nothing to do with the CPC, except as a pathetic attempt to further the religious right boogy man.
Almost half the topics in the Liberal section, and 1 of 2 in the NDP area, are yours. You might want to run a scan or 2 to see who's hacked your account.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:42 am
Jesus, never hurt anybody. ![[angel]](./images/smilies/angel1.gif "Angel")
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:06 am
I taught myself how to upload pictures. I have been working on computers for years, actually.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:09 am
Kids are good recepters of their creator, sometimes us adults want to do an overkill on analizing. Would you agree?
USCAdad @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:11 am
No. Kids have aptitudes and pick up on more things than the big people realize but no.... tabla rossa. These kids were set up for purposefull professional brain washing. It's twisted, and the kids might have something to say about their parents and the whole thing when they're a bit older and look back at these times and this footage.
xerxes @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:06 am
Just in case anyone wants to see this movie for themselves, it comes out on DVD Jan. 30. I know I want do.
QBC @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:44 am
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
Kids are good receptors of their creator, sometimes us adults want to do an overkill on analyzing. Would you agree?
I agree with some of the other posters. Children are going to believe what they're taught mainly cause they have no other experience to draw from. "If Mommy and Daddy believe this it must be right."
I was very glad my parents had a very open minded approach to religion. Now I went to church for years, then I saw things in religion I didn't care for or believe, so when I was 16 my folks said to me that it was my decision to continue with church and religion. If I decided to continue going to church, they would support me. If I decided it wasn't for me or I wanted to look around and find my own way path to spiritualism, that was ok also. I think it would be good for all parents to be so open minded with what their children choose to believe, because in the long run it is our choice.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:14 pm
BOOO!!! 
sorry.