Should America annex Canada? The unDead thread
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djakeydd @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:30 am
Why would the US want to own Canada? its already owned by the corpocracies and has been since day one. Under most sets of rules something already owned doesnt get owned by a third party unless there's a contract. Why would the mega corps get into contracts with a bunch of bankrupt hoakies south of 49?
djakeydd @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:39 am
On second thought tho, a high ranking economist says the eurozone components are facing imminent dissolution due to defaults, so anyone looking for a bargain basement sale on, say Italy - get your bids in now. Is Bill gates on this forum? The tippling point is here billy
http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/07 ... urope.html
Mowich @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:51 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Mowich Mowich:
The way the economy is going in the U.S. the question one day might be - should Canada annex the U.S? I'd vote for taking Washington state and Oregon for a start but they can keep California and just about every single southern state where the religious right rules.
So you mean you just want to take over all of the states that are going bankrupt?
That's mighty nice of you!
While you're helping yourself to those spendthrift liberal states be sure to sign off on the $14 trillion bucks you'll now owe to China.
Actually........... I was writing with tongue-in-cheek, Bart but your reply did send me searching for info on US state bankruptcy rates. After some digging I came across a recent article which does indeed show both states are in a debt crisis situation.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711
According to the article, 42 states and the District of Columbia are facing budget shortfalls - Oregon and Washington state are on the list. The FY2012 Projected Shortfall for Oregon is 1.7 billion and Washington state is looking at 2.5 billion. Though compared to states such as Calif - 23 bil, New Jersey - 10 bil, New York - 10.5 bil, Oregon and WA are in a bit better shape but Idaho at 92 million and S.Dakota are 127 mil would be the least onerous.
BartSimpson @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:28 pm
Nuggets Nuggets:
Alaska is already pretty much Canadianized anyway.
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Which explains why you can carry a concealed handgun in Alaska any bloody time you want with no permit required. Also explains why Alaska law allows hunting with whatever kind of rifle you can carry. Oh, and that also explains why Alaska's government routinely shares excess tax revenue with the citizens as opposed to spending it on social welfare nonsense.
Wait, you meant to say that Alaska is nothing like Canada?
Psudo @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:35 pm
My state has a $380 million shortfall according to that list, which puts it at 9th smallest deficit (or 10th if by proportion).
Incidentally, the California's $23 billion deficit is part of the reason I offered it to Canada. Actually, I think it used to be $30+ billion, so I guess they're improving.
Psudo @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:43 pm
Nuggets Nuggets:
Alaska is already pretty much Canadianized anyway.
I don't think Sarah Palin would agree.
Zipperfish @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:55 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Nuggets Nuggets:
Alaska is already pretty much Canadianized anyway.
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Which explains why you can carry a concealed handgun in Alaska any bloody time you want with no permit required. Also explains why Alaska law allows hunting with whatever kind of rifle you can carry. Oh, and that also explains why Alaska's government routinely shares excess tax revenue with the citizens as opposed to spending it on social welfare nonsense.
Wait, you meant to say that Alaska is nothing like Canada?
Alaska is nothing like Canada or the 49 other states. They got there own thing going on up there.
bootlegga @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:11 pm
Mowich Mowich:
According to the article, 42 states and the District of Columbia are facing budget shortfalls - Oregon and Washington state are on the list. The FY2012 Projected Shortfall for Oregon is 1.7 billion and Washington state is looking at 2.5 billion. Though compared to states such as Calif - 23 bil, New Jersey - 10 bil, New York - 10.5 bil, Oregon and WA are in a bit better shape but Idaho at 92 million and S.Dakota are 127 mil would be the least onerous.
A state/nation's deficit total figure is less important than percentage of that jurisdiction's tax revenues it is.
For example, South Dakota's may only be $127 million, but their tax base is much smaller than New York (with it's $10.5 billion deficit). But that $127 million might be 10% of the South Dakota's tax revenue (and therefore more onerous), while the $10.5 billion might be only 5% for NY.
As I don't know how much revenue each state takes in (or really care), I honestly don't know how serious each state's deficit really is.
I'm not trying to be a dick, just pointing out the flaw in your argument.
Psudo @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:58 pm
The link itself had the percentages in it. South Dakota's was 11% and New York's was 17.6%.
Gunnair @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:04 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Nuggets Nuggets:
Alaska is already pretty much Canadianized anyway.
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Which explains why you can carry a concealed handgun in Alaska any bloody time you want with no permit required. Also explains why Alaska law allows hunting with whatever kind of rifle you can carry. Oh, and that also explains why Alaska's government routinely shares excess tax revenue with the citizens as opposed to spending it on social welfare nonsense.
Wait, you meant to say that Alaska is nothing like Canada?
Yes, I would think that's what he meant. If not, then I'd be curious to which part of Alaska he's been to.
Gunnair @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:05 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Nuggets Nuggets:
Alaska is already pretty much Canadianized anyway.
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Which explains why you can carry a concealed handgun in Alaska any bloody time you want with no permit required. Also explains why Alaska law allows hunting with whatever kind of rifle you can carry. Oh, and that also explains why Alaska's government routinely shares excess tax revenue with the citizens as opposed to spending it on social welfare nonsense.
Wait, you meant to say that Alaska is nothing like Canada?
Alaska is nothing like Canada or the 49 other states. They got there own thing going on up there.
Texas North.
Mowich @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:09 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Mowich Mowich:
According to the article, 42 states and the District of Columbia are facing budget shortfalls - Oregon and Washington state are on the list. The FY2012 Projected Shortfall for Oregon is 1.7 billion and Washington state is looking at 2.5 billion. Though compared to states such as Calif - 23 bil, New Jersey - 10 bil, New York - 10.5 bil, Oregon and WA are in a bit better shape but Idaho at 92 million and S.Dakota are 127 mil would be the least onerous.
A state/nation's deficit total figure is less important than percentage of that jurisdiction's tax revenues it is.
For example, South Dakota's may only be $127 million, but their tax base is much smaller than New York (with it's $10.5 billion deficit). But that $127 million might be 10% of the South Dakota's tax revenue (and therefore more onerous), while the $10.5 billion might be only 5% for NY.
As I don't know how much revenue each state takes in (or really care), I honestly don't know how serious each state's deficit really is.
I'm not trying to be a dick, just pointing out the flaw in your argument.
Not at all, bootlegga, you make a very valid point and one I had not considered. Thank you.
Mowich @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:15 pm
Nuggets Nuggets:
Psudo Psudo:
What if we trade Alaska for Alberta? Or would you prefer Quebec for California?
Why bother with a trade? Alaska is already pretty much Canadianized anyway.
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Naw, Alaska is a state apart from the US and Canada. They are a law unto themselves up there, which explains how they ended up with someone like Palin.
Though, to be fair the people I've met while in the state bear little resemblance to that Presidential wannabe. Great state and great people. I would gladly welcome them into Canada - at least they would be closer to their Federal government than they are now. 
Mowich @ Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:23 pm
Psudo Psudo:
The link itself had the percentages in it. South Dakota's was 11% and New York's was 17.6%.
Which keeps S.Dak on the list of desirables
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bootlegga @ Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:52 am
Mowich Mowich:
Psudo Psudo:
The link itself had the percentages in it. South Dakota's was 11% and New York's was 17.6%.
Which keeps S.Dak on the list of desirables
.Psudo: Fair enough, I never clicked the link. But my point stands, Oregon's $1.7 billion deficit is over 25% of their budget, while NY's $10 billion is 17.6, which makes Oregon's much smaller deficit more onerous than NY's.
Mowich: I don't know about that - if I had to choose between Mt. Rushmore and Silicon Valley/Hollywood, I'll take the latter.
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