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andyt @ Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:31 pm
You mean various levels of govt are determining who gets hired by the police, not the police themselves? Well then yes, it would be all our fault, because we're the ones keeping those levels of govt in power. Or actually it's women swing voters, since according to a pollster on CBC, that's who decides who gets in, at least on the federal level (we can assume same on provincial, I think.) So despite supposedly women not liking Stevo, it seems enough of them do to keep him in power.
I don't think various levels of govt are responsible for police hiring lunatics, etc. (to the extent they really do). I do think various levels of govt do bear responsibility that these lunatics are kept on the force after they act out. Those govts can set the oversight over police to better ensure the police don't protect their own when it's not warranted.
I still haven't seen a good case made tho that modern police forces hire more lunatics than before. I think policing has become far more complex, some of the criminals are better armed, there are more lunatics on the streets because the mental hospitals are emptied. And, as I said before, there is actually better oversight and responsibility put on cops. At one time nobody would have batted an eye at things cops are now being dismissed or going to jail for. At one time, cops just could do no wrong, where now they are held accountable much more often. The one area that I think has changed, is that with the failed war on drugs, and all the illegal money that churns up, I'm sure more cops and judges are on the take, not just accepting the odd bottle of booze or what have you, but taking in real money. There is no way all those billions in BC alone don't bring corruption along in its wake.
Xort @ Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:47 pm
"Man Calls a Suicide Prevention Hotline, SWAT Team Shows Up and Kills Him"
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/call-s ... swat-team/
The source and writing is biased but in the end the police killed a man that had asked for help.
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Roy, Utah – A Roy, Utah man, Jose Calzada, 35, placed a call to a suicide prevention hotline at 4:00 a.m. Tuesday morning and threatened to kill himself, seven hour later he was shot and killed by police, according to law enforcement.
According to ABC 4, neighbors described Calzada as a quiet, friendly man, who was divorced and now lived in the home with his girlfriend and her children.
The first tragic mistake in this case was made when the Weber County Consolidated Dispatch Center sent officers to the residence rather than some type of crisis response team trained to deal with suicidal individuals.
From previous cases, such as that of Jason Turk, who was shot twice in the face after a suicide call to 9-1-1 by his wife, or that of Christian Alberto Sierra, who was suffering from depression and had attempted suicide when police showed up and shot him four times, killing him, most know all too well what happens when you send officers to “assist” people threatening suicide.
Subsequently, a SWAT team came to the residence and “negotiated” with Calzada for more than seven hours before taking his life.
“At some point those negotiations failed and unfortunately the SWAT team was involved in a shooting, and the subject is now deceased,” said Roy PD spokesman Matt Gwynn.
Eyewitness Ron Smith told the Standard-Examiner that he heard “one shot, and then a pause, and then four or five shots after that, that were very rapid.”
Specifics of the case were not released but Gwynn was sure to explain the cop logic of reasonableness stating, “Officers are authorized to stop a threat whenever their life is threatened, or the life of another is threatened. And at that point if the officer feels he is justified, he may act to stop that threat.”
“This is being treated as a officer assisted suicide or suicide by cops,” Gwynn said.
While that could potentially be the case, this is usually the default position of law enforcement when unprepared officers show up to deal with individuals experiencing severe mental health issues.
Often police go into these situations with an ingrained mentality of looking at citizens as threats to the safety of the officers and thus feel empowered and justified to use lethal force as the suicidal person has already threatened to kill someone, themselves.
Gwynn went on to state, “We encourage those having suicidal thoughts or tendencies to contact a physician or expert that can talk them through it. In this particular case he attempted to do that — it’s unfortunate and sad that it failed.”
Sadly, Gwynn’s words ring hollow as Calzada did exactly as Gwynn suggests and ended up paying the ultimate price as is far too often the case in these situations.
According to ABC 4, neighbors described Calzada as a quiet, friendly man, who was divorced and now lived in the home with his girlfriend and her children.
The first tragic mistake in this case was made when the Weber County Consolidated Dispatch Center sent officers to the residence rather than some type of crisis response team trained to deal with suicidal individuals.
From previous cases, such as that of Jason Turk, who was shot twice in the face after a suicide call to 9-1-1 by his wife, or that of Christian Alberto Sierra, who was suffering from depression and had attempted suicide when police showed up and shot him four times, killing him, most know all too well what happens when you send officers to “assist” people threatening suicide.
Subsequently, a SWAT team came to the residence and “negotiated” with Calzada for more than seven hours before taking his life.
“At some point those negotiations failed and unfortunately the SWAT team was involved in a shooting, and the subject is now deceased,” said Roy PD spokesman Matt Gwynn.
Eyewitness Ron Smith told the Standard-Examiner that he heard “one shot, and then a pause, and then four or five shots after that, that were very rapid.”
Specifics of the case were not released but Gwynn was sure to explain the cop logic of reasonableness stating, “Officers are authorized to stop a threat whenever their life is threatened, or the life of another is threatened. And at that point if the officer feels he is justified, he may act to stop that threat.”
“This is being treated as a officer assisted suicide or suicide by cops,” Gwynn said.
While that could potentially be the case, this is usually the default position of law enforcement when unprepared officers show up to deal with individuals experiencing severe mental health issues.
Often police go into these situations with an ingrained mentality of looking at citizens as threats to the safety of the officers and thus feel empowered and justified to use lethal force as the suicidal person has already threatened to kill someone, themselves.
Gwynn went on to state, “We encourage those having suicidal thoughts or tendencies to contact a physician or expert that can talk them through it. In this particular case he attempted to do that — it’s unfortunate and sad that it failed.”
Sadly, Gwynn’s words ring hollow as Calzada did exactly as Gwynn suggests and ended up paying the ultimate price as is far too often the case in these situations.
“This is being treated as a officer assisted suicide or suicide by cops,” Gwynn said.
Because if anything else you would need to accept blame for another murder.
BartSimpson @ Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:39 pm
Here's a Philadelphia cop who's inspiring the admiration of America's youth:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8aa_1414433210
DrCaleb @ Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:41 pm
Why have admiration when you can have fear? 
BartSimpson @ Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:01 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Why have admiration when you can have fear?
I suppose fear is much more gratifying to sadists.
Jabberwalker @ Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:49 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Why have admiration when you can have fear?
I suppose fear is much more gratifying to sadists.
Wrong thread.
that's the next one over.
BartSimpson @ Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:30 am
You mean we have a topic called "Fifty Shades of Blue"? 
Jabberwalker @ Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:43 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
You mean we have a topic called "Fifty Shades of Blue"?
It's all about a CBC mouthpiece and his house of horrors.
Xort @ Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:24 pm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c9_1414515100
"shot by the officers 45 times and 14 of those shots struck him dead."
Armed with a folding pocket knife. Watch the video to see 8 officers murder a man without justification. Any chance of punishment for those officers?
"the Department of Justice said it could not find “sufficient evidence of willful misconduct” to prosecute the eight officers."
DrCaleb @ Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:13 am
An update to a story from last summer - not a death by officer, but it could have been:
Her trial is taking place this week. She takes the stand today, and the officer tomorrow.
viewtopic.php?t=105971
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Witness testifies sheriff was violent
The court also heard from Jim Fredericksen, a passing motorist who stopped to help last August.
Frederickson told the court that Tibu was screaming, “Help me, help me.”
At the sheriff's request, Frederickson called 911 and told the dispatcher that "the officer is getting really violent with her now.”
In response to a question from the dispatcher, Frederickson said that he felt the sheriff was using excessive force.
CBC has requested a copy of the video in question.
The court also heard from Jim Fredericksen, a passing motorist who stopped to help last August.
Frederickson told the court that Tibu was screaming, “Help me, help me.”
At the sheriff's request, Frederickson called 911 and told the dispatcher that "the officer is getting really violent with her now.”
In response to a question from the dispatcher, Frederickson said that he felt the sheriff was using excessive force.
CBC has requested a copy of the video in question.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.2817325
BartSimpson @ Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:39 am
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CBC has requested a copy of the video in question.
Fat f***ing chance they'll ever see it.
Regina @ Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:48 am
Suicide by proxy is nothing new and movies like Vanishing Point and Breathless are a couple that come to mind and have glorified it somewhat.
Regina @ Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:49 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
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CBC has requested a copy of the video in question.
Fat f***ing chance they'll ever see it.
If it exists it will be made available.
DrCaleb @ Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:58 am
Regina Regina:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
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CBC has requested a copy of the video in question.
Fat f***ing chance they'll ever see it.
If it exists it will be made available.
^^ That. It's part of the court record now. There is no option but to release it.
Xort @ Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:51 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
^^ That. It's part of the court record now. There is no option but to release it.
In this case that's likely true, however our courts do enact blackouts for little or no published reason.
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