Canadians who have lived in the US
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hwacker @ Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:33 pm
looks like you've been hitting it all day tho 
michaelredeagle @ Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:17 pm
I choose to avoid. But hey, to each their own...
I think we'd better take a break, we're crashin the server.
michaelredeagle @ Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:18 pm
Wow do I get hackers.... find my computer now....
Rosco @ Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:19 pm
alienofwar alienofwar:
Sgt. Mills Ive lived in the U.S several times and I love it here. In fact, this has been the 3rd time ive moved to the U.S I think and I have been here almost a year and it's been the best experience I have had. I learned so much concerning the politics that goes on here. People from Montana to Nevada have been so nice to me and my wife after we were kicked out of Canada. You see my wife is American and she overstayed her visitors visa by about a month due to miscommunication and a misunderstanding. She was given only one week to get out of Canada. Her whole experience with Canadians has been terrible, including many other Americans Ive met, who have said that the border and immigration officials are extremely rude to them and always hassle them. Yet as a Canadian citizen I have had the best experiences with U.S border and immigration officials...they were extremely polite and understanding if I got into a sticky situation.
So my experience has been very good down here. In fact life has been alot easier, cost of living is cheap, jobs are plentiful and saving money has been much easier as opposed to when I lived in Canada. Here I have limitless opporunity, in Canada middle class is the best anyone can do. IN here if you work hard, you get rewarded but in Canada you work hard and you get taxed to death. What kind of reward is that? Reward the unsuccessful and punish the successful? Thats not right. On top of that I lived in Alberta where that province has the most economic freedom in Canada...yet I was still struggling. Now I live in Nevada, one of the states with the most economic freedom in the U.S and life couldn't be better. In fact I talked to another Canadian living in Nevada and she said she was able to save 7 times more than her Canadian friend who made the same wage as her...and she said the low taxes really helped her here, on top of that she has more buying power.
So really, what is wrong with Canada and why wont any of its citizens wake up??
I do miss alot of things though, like Tim Hortons and Canadian hockey as well as friends and family...just like most ex-patriats who live down here.
So my experience has been very good down here. In fact life has been alot easier, cost of living is cheap, jobs are plentiful and saving money has been much easier as opposed to when I lived in Canada. Here I have limitless opporunity, in Canada middle class is the best anyone can do. IN here if you work hard, you get rewarded but in Canada you work hard and you get taxed to death. What kind of reward is that? Reward the unsuccessful and punish the successful? Thats not right. On top of that I lived in Alberta where that province has the most economic freedom in Canada...yet I was still struggling. Now I live in Nevada, one of the states with the most economic freedom in the U.S and life couldn't be better. In fact I talked to another Canadian living in Nevada and she said she was able to save 7 times more than her Canadian friend who made the same wage as her...and she said the low taxes really helped her here, on top of that she has more buying power.
So really, what is wrong with Canada and why wont any of its citizens wake up??
I do miss alot of things though, like Tim Hortons and Canadian hockey as well as friends and family...just like most ex-patriats who live down here.
Your thoughts and experiences closely follow mine, good luck trying to explain reality to all the socialist fundamentalists here though.
Robair @ Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:00 pm
Loooong thread. I've just skimmed the last few pages. Anyway, grew up in SK, lived in Alberta, spent a lot of time in BC and Manitoba... now live in Kentucky.
A few things:
I paid less tax living in Medicine Hat AB than I do now in Kentucky. And in Alberta my health care was paid for. Seems like just about everything is more expensive here... even a lot of new American made cars! (Can't figure that one out)
I don't know about the brightest and best always moving south, after reading a bit of this thread, I would say folks who think they are the brightest and best are moving south...
A survey saying Canadians worry about health care while Americans worry about the economy and terrorism. Well... in Canada, we have just had a long string of surplus budgets and people are looking at where they would like to spend the money. In America, you have some phsycopathic Neo Conservatives creating terroroists around the globe while trashing the American economy. (is the US dollar par with the looney yet? I havn't been keeping track)
Oh, and Anti Americanism on the rise in Canada you say? Has it gotten worse lately? Why would that be?
The war, yea, that was a big one. Canada, as a nation, generally strives for improving the world and preventing wars. But I think there could be some other reasons like:
The Bush regimes illegal attacks on Canadas lumber industry.
Likewise with Canadian farmers.
Surely you've heard of the ban on Canadian beef?
The real reason for the continuing ban on Canadian beef is that all the money taken directly out of Canadian ranchers pockets, is going strait to some of the biggest contributers to the Bush campaign.
You see, a lot of people north of the border had sympathy for the Yanks, thinking Bush had pulled a fast one, and ended up not being what the folks had elected. You know, a compasionate conservative (whatever that means, sounds kinda like a Volvo with a gunrack).
But now that they have re-elected him... yea, anit-Americanism is on the rise.
Franco Unamerican @ Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:29 pm
nice sentiments !!
Ruxpercnd @ Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:43 pm
$1:
Ruxpercnd, do you actually have something to do right now, cause it sounds like your just bored at work and don't really have anything to debate.
Michael... you crack me up! You are funny and you inspire me to my own twisted sense of humor. The nice thing about this site is that we can exchange ideas and perhaps learn something from each other. However, you seem to be brain farting.
For someone as highly educated as you seem be, you don't seem to be able to express a serious and thoughtful argument. Hey, it's never too late - try being brief and to a fine point.
Half of America refutes Bush and his theology, so why don't you give us a little credit, admit that we are different than Canadians, but not that different.
You think you can speak for Canadians and Americans in one breath and condemn the country and society that gave you your living. I estimate that you have taken your American Social Security and/or retirement back to Canada with you. If you hate America that much, then why don't you refuse all American money and refuse to claim American Social Security benefits?
Admit that you covet your American Dollars and count them every night, but hate yourself for it. You feasted at the American table for years and hated every minute of it! Ha ha... ha hal... that's funny. Sorry - you have been assimilated!
alienofwar @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:51 am
"I've read your posts all over the site, coming from someone who post proamerican and zips through insults left and right for you to say your insulted makes me think that you are trying to pull one on the moderators."
Show me one quote where I insulted another member on the board...you will not find one. And that still does not address the insults you throw at people on this forum...I have no idea why the moderators don't even give you a warning. Did you not read the moderator message? It says to make Americans welcome on this forum and instead you insult and stereotype them to death.
The statisitcs you posted still pale in comparison to the numbers of Canadians who have moved to the U.S in the 90's:
"According to government statistics, 15,000 to 27,000 people left Canada each year in the 1990s for jobs in the United States."
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSCanadiana01/0119_joe-ap.html
Also the statistics you provided mean nothing to the overall population of U.S citizens in Canada and Canadian citizens in the U.S:
According to a census report in 2000 there are approximately 820 770 people of Canadian origin in the U.S. And according to latest census reports there are approximately 683 000 U.S citizens living in Canada.
http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/stp-159/STP-159-Canada.pdf
http://www.aokerry.com/aok/2004/07/fast_facts.html
Now according to latest population figures there are about 295 000 people living in the U.S and there are about 31 000 people living in Canada.
So if U.S citizens so badly want to come here and their population is 10 times bigger than ours, then how come the numbers dont support the argument??? The fact of the matter is that it is cold in Canada, taxes are higher, cost of living is higher and unemployment is higher. Where would the driving force be for Americans to come to Canada? Aside from anti-war activists who would want to leave?
"The fact that our #1 country of new citizens is america by the thousands EVERY year, not just for those who want to blow up shit, is truely amazing."
Umm well duh, they are only the largest population living right next door to us. Thats a no brainer.
Anyways, my original argument was not about how many foreign nationals live in each country it was just pointing out how many Canadians are fighting in the Iraq war and how many of them are willing to die to gain their citizenship. Just a thought, that is all.
alienofwar @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:20 am
"I paid less tax living in Medicine Hat AB than I do now in Kentucky. And in Alberta my health care was paid for. Seems like just about everything is more expensive here... even a lot of new American made cars!"
Actually according to a Fraser INstitute report on North America...both Kentucky and Alberta are 7.2 on a scale of economic freedom. Im not too sure about taxes, but it really depends on where you live. If your in a higher populated area your going to pay more for property taxes and the cost of living but the pay should reflect that extra cost. I have no idea how your paying more for vehicles, Ive done my own research and found new vehicles to be cheaper in here, alot cheaper...especially on a Dodge Dakota or Tacoma truck. Medicine Hat is also a small population, so I wouldn't be suprised your cost of living was less there.
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/chapterfiles/Chapter%201~~%20Economic%20Freedom%20and%20the%20Index-1EFNA2004ch1.pdf#
"Well... in Canada, we have just had a long string of surplus budgets and people are looking at where they would like to spend the money. In America, you have some phsycopathic Neo Conservatives creating terroroists around the globe while trashing the American economy. (is the US dollar par with the looney yet? I havn't been keeping track)"
Well, I keep track of both U.S and Canadian news and I can tell you that the Canadian economy is lagging behind more and more. The problem that is facing Canada is their looney which is rising in reflection of the falling U.S dollar and this hurts the Canadian economy because U.S goods become cheaper and Canadian goods become more expensive...so as a result manufacturer goods have seen a decline in exports to the U.S. This is not good news for Canada. Also, regulations are hurting the Canadian economy as well, in fact Paul Martin is now looking to make some drastic changes to help spur economic growth in Canada in response to grim economic news. Which is great news, because Canada is falling behind more and more when it comes to foreign competition. The canadian looney is around 80 cents at the moment.
You mention anti-Americanism on the rise in Canada. And thats probably true due to the war in Iraq and latest trade disputes which has more to do with politics rather than reason. The biggest reason are the lobbyists of course. Although, by becoming more anti-American is not going to help at all, in fact it just makes things worse. So if Paul Martin would use stratedgy instead of the ego of Canadians he would accept the Ballistic Missile deal.
Also not joining in the war in Iraq didn't help things either. So, like the saying goes, if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours...and both countries refuse to. It's politics and different ideologies at play here.
a_former_canuck @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:37 am
What many posters here fail to realize is that what's good for the USA is also what's good for Canada. Canada's success and well-being hinges on the good fortune of America. When the USD falls, or when American companies cut spending, or when America is attacked, Canada too feels the pain.
Many Canadians hate America. However, very few Americans hate Canada. I have yet to run into anybody here who does not accept me since I am a former canuck. The hatred coming from north of the border is unjustified and counterproductive. The USA is the economic engine that brings first world living standards and unimaginable amounts of wealth to North America.
If you live on this continent, you MUST admit that your lifestyle is ONLY possible because of the success of the USA.
Robair @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:49 am
Thank you captain obviouse. Yes, I know what the exchange rate is. When I moved here the looney was worth 60 cents (a whopping two years ago) and at that time I was pricing up a new Toyota, then decided to wait untill I moved to buy figuring it would be less hassle. That decision cost me 5,000 plus Canadian.
alienofwar alienofwar:
You mention anti-Americanism on the rise in Canada. And thats probably true due to the war in Iraq and latest trade disputes which has more to do with politics rather than reason.
You use the term trade disputes, it's really more like outright illegal trade pollicies on the part of Dubya/Cheney and company.
alienofwar alienofwar:
The biggest reason are the lobbyists of course. Although, by becoming more anti-American is not going to help at all, in fact it just makes things worse.
Some times you just gotta stand up and say fuck you.
alienofwar alienofwar:
So if Paul Martin would use stratedgy instead of the ego of Canadians he would accept the Ballistic Missile deal.
Also not joining in the war in Iraq didn't help things either. So, like the saying goes, if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours...and both countries refuse to. It's politics and different ideologies at play here.
Also not joining in the war in Iraq didn't help things either. So, like the saying goes, if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours...and both countries refuse to. It's politics and different ideologies at play here.
That 'strategy' would have cost Paul his minority government.
You don't go to war because somebody says so. The war was, and still is, wrong.
a_former_canuck @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:07 am
Robair Robair:
You use the term trade disputes, it's really more like outright illegal trade pollicies on the part of Dubya/Cheney and company.
How can they be illegal if they were authored and passed by Congress? This makes no sense.
$1:
You don't go to war because somebody says so. The war was, and still is, wrong.
The Iraqi war absolutely was the right thing to do.
This was a dispute between America and Iraq. It is not Canada's business and never was.
ManifestDestiny @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:15 am
I dont understand why Canadians are so hung up on this exchange rate issue. If you understand economics it would be better for your economy to have a strong USdollar. Your goods and services are cheaper and we will buy more of them. Everyone rants ans raves that the Euro is stronger then the dolllar. Its not a good thing for Europe. The Federal reserve has been flooding the market with USD and thats why the dollar is weak. Keep saying Bush is the village idiot. he is behind this. Think about it, US products are now cheap in Europe. European products are now expensive in the USA.
Canadaka @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:29 am
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How can they be illegal if they were authored and passed by Congress? This makes no sense.
lol legal to yourselfs, not to the worl community and international law.
same as China just passing the law allowing itself to attack Taiwan, doesn't mean crap internationaly
It is true that the Canadian and American economies are very tied together, and that while the US economy and $ has gone down, Canada has been able to, for the msot part, continue to go up. Sure the dollar has going up, and for some Business this is bad, but for some it is good. I think the dollar was undervalue the last 10 eyars anyway, its just returning to more of a norm.
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If you live on this continent, you MUST admit that your lifestyle is ONLY possible because of the success of the USA.
umm no? why would I do such a thing
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So if Paul Martin would use stratedgy instead of the ego of Canadians he would accept the Ballistic Missile deal.
Paul martin is and the government is an elected representitive of the people of Canada, sometime our politicians liek to listen to what the public opinion has to say.
ManifestDestiny @ Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:39 am
Canadaka I am sorry i dont think you have a uderstading of Economics. Frist off the US economy has grown in the last four years. Last quater was at 4.5%. Just so you know Germany and France have falle off arounf 3% each. Germany also has a 14% unemployment rate. The Canadian economy has grown like the American alittle less i think.When Bush met Martin in the Fall Paul was conserned about the weak dollar. Why because he knows that your economy will suffer in the long run.
Sorry i gotta go will finish later with some links.
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