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College and university certainly aren't the be all and end all though, Adam and Zen are right about that. I've met genius labourers and moronic lawyers, we all have. An awful lot of politicians are either lawyers or MBAs or something. hat's a pretty narrow perspective for our pool of leaders to come from. Most citizens aren't lawyers and most citizens work for a living instead of sitting on corporate boards. As colleges and universities become more and more about teaching specific job-related skills and less about the benefits of thinking they become a more and more questionable place to recruit our leaders from.

   

Bowling for columbine is an excellent movie. if you can watch that and then spew out bullshit about it being a bunch of lies then I want you to move to the USA. you belong there.

and moore had the balls to stand up at the academy awards and say the shit nobody else would.

and I'd really really REALLY like to hear reasons why its a pile of lies.
I need a good laugh.

   

They have no reasons, h0bb3s. They don't like what Moore has to say, but they cannot disprove it because Moore did at least some research. The result is that they attack the size of Moore's belly and the fact that he makes money. If you point that out, they take personal shots at you. If you respond in kind you find that the insults they spew get increasingly less rational and more ugly.

They never have any answers though, at least none based on verifiable evidence.

   

How do you know that alot of these politicians don't think? I am allowed to have my own point of view about this. Is it such a bad thing to want a leader who has a full education then someone who has only been to high school? Under your logic, the janiter would make a good president of the US. I'm not about to have someone leading me who has never even been to college. Going to college shows that you want to learn everything, that you are able to work hard at something and really use your mind. Going to college and dropping out shows that it's hard for you to stay in something. There's a difference between being a genius, and having and education and being smart. Just because someone is good at something like journalism, doesn't mean they would be good at running a country and passing laws.

I think Moore is great at researching things and making movies about things he feels strongly about, but I don't think that means he would be a good president.

   

I think every politician should have a full education. Being raised in wealth and getting a few courses in how to sucker people out of their money does not qualify as a full education though, Johnny. Don't get the two confused.

   

I never said the current politicians are great, just that I expect someone who leads a country to at least have a college degree and to know a good amount of things. I believe in people having a full education and going to college, you might not agree, and I don't expect everyone to go to college, but I do expect whoever is ruling over me and running the place I live to have an extensive education. If you want the janiter at the local school who in his freetime makes movies about all the terrible things the US does, then that's your decision, but I would much rather have the person who went to college and got a degree in preferably psychology, philosophy, and economics, also political science, and so on, someone who has been trained in running a country. Now, I know you can't be trained in running a country, but you can have things which could work as tools when running a country. I think the type of country which would be great would have to be Pala in Aldous huxley's Island.

   

The Hon Ralph klien is Premier of Alberta.. He used to be a reporter for the Calgary Sun and then Mayor of Calgary now Premier of Alberta...

   

The Hon Ralph klien is Premier of Alberta.. He used to be a reporter for the Calgary Sun and then Mayor of Calgary now Premier of Alberta...[/quote]

Question is does he have a college degree. I have no problem with someone running a country who was a journalist, just someone without a large education.

   

Education is gotten in many different ways though, Johnny. Limiting the acceptable ways means limiting what you country is capable of.

I think Ralph went back and got his GED at some point, didn't he?

   

Education does matter to me on some level. I would like the people i vote for to have law degrees...a law degree is almost needed to work in polotics.

   

I know you can get education through experience, but I prefer people to have degrees. It's like when you go an look for a job, the employer prefers someone with a degree. Why? Because a person with a degree has more education and can probably think in different ways. Sure, there's naturals out there, but someone without an education just doesn't feel as safe as someone with to me. When it comes to things like running a country that is a superpower, I want people who are top of their class, professors, and so on. I want the smartest people running the country I live in. Too bad at present the smartest don't make it because they might not have the money, and at present it seems to be all about the money, and who has it. It's not just a coincidence that alot of people in government are millionaires. Money doesn't equal smarts, what I want is someone who has a degree, preferably a masters, P.H.D. would be wonderful, and I want them running the country and basing laws and such on scientific proofs, and not morals and religous influences. Michael Moore is a great journalist, but I don't want him to run the country I live in because he doesn't have a degree. Just because someone made it as a premier who didn't have a college degree, doesn't mean that I'm going to feel all happy about it. Some of you might not agree with me, but I think education is very important, and I don't want someone ruling me who has less education. Call me what you will, it's just what I feel is right. I don't think people with less education should rule over people with more education. Law degrees, philosophy, whatever it may be, are all better than just high school I think.

   

You do realize that a person who is smarter than most others can then find ways of manipulating the country without them knowing. Sure the President, or Prime Minister, should be smart, but they should also have the best interests of the country in mind. Anyone can be put into a position of power, but a real leader is one who thinks of how his or her actions affect everyone, and strives for improving how the country exists.

   

That person also needs an education. Think of a president with no education, who is brought bills to sign, yet knows nothing of what the bills mean or anything about economics. In modern, democratic, capitalist times, you usually want people running the country who have an education. Sure, in times of Rome or other times, you would want someone who is a great leader, but nowadays things are run like a company, and to have the best company, you usually need alot of educated people. Actually, you can go an live in a country where the people running the country only have a bit of high school, or high school degrees, and I'll live in a country which has people who have college degrees and masters. Which do you think would end up better? I do agree with you though on one thing, we do need decent people who have the people of the countries best interest in their mind, but those people should also have an education.

   

I think compassion and leadership abilities far outweigh the backround educational aspects of a person running for office. Honest would be nice. In that sense, Michael Moore would make a good president. That was how Clinton made it through two terms. Sure he was a Rhodes scholar, but it was his charisma that got him elected.

I've had to train people to do various jobs in my life. I have to say I've had more difficulties training people with degrees than those without. Not always, but a great deal of the time

   

People with degrees can also be hired as advisors and their advice tempered by the compassion and leadership abilities of whoever hired them. I'm not saying that education isn't important, but why MBAs and law degrees? Why not philosophy or history degrees? Biology or chemistry degrees? Why not a red-ticket tradesperson...a carpenter or electrician? Why not somebody who spent twenty-five or thirty years getting a degree from the school of hard knocks?

This preoccupation our society has with business and law degrees is silly. Those are the same people who gave us Enron, Global Crossing, the now-burst dot com bubble and so many other bad things.

   

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