Michael Moore for President
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sat May 08, 2004 11:17 am
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
So you want to elect a professional student, Johnny? I'd prefer someone who spent at least sometime in the real world. People don't need to be lawyers to make laws...they have access to plenty of legal advice. They don't need to know accounting techniques...they have access to plenty of business advice.
What they need to know how to do is think about a wide variety of things and how those thing affect each other. They need an understanding of people and they need compassion. They need to be able to take responsibility for their actions.
Those are not part of the curriculum in most universities.
Don't let Bush's claims of compassion fool you...it's another of his lies. Just like he refuses to take responsibility for his actions, he lacks compassion.
What they need to know how to do is think about a wide variety of things and how those thing affect each other. They need an understanding of people and they need compassion. They need to be able to take responsibility for their actions.
Those are not part of the curriculum in most universities.
Don't let Bush's claims of compassion fool you...it's another of his lies. Just like he refuses to take responsibility for his actions, he lacks compassion.
When did I say I don't want someone with world experience? I said I don't want someone who doesn't have a college degree but who only has world experience. I want a well-rounded person, who has an extensive education, and world education. Also, I don't think Bush is compassionate man, I just think that he plays that with the religous references, and I don't want someone who is compassionate in that way.
AdamNF @ Sat May 08, 2004 2:41 pm
I agree that you dont need a degree to be a good leader. And yes PM's can have good advisers. Like the say "I think its good that (so and so) is a nobel prize winner, when im president im going to hire me some of those."
But its easy to advise a more educated mind. And if you need advisers for eveything they arnt u jus ta pupet. Also the PM/president dont right laws...there staf does. So they need the eduaction also.
ofaolain @ Sat May 08, 2004 2:44 pm
I've never heard of a PM or President who wasn't a pupet
Rev_Blair @ Sat May 08, 2004 3:03 pm
Look at it this way...the smartest man in the USA and possibly the world works as a bouncer in a bar. No crap...he's got the highest measured IQ around. He doesn't have a college education, but he is capable of understanding a myriad of things.
I don't know if he's leadership material or not, but would you toss out somebody that smart just because he didn't go to college? If he went to college and studied philosphy, would that also disqualify him?
Robair @ Sat May 08, 2004 5:00 pm
And in California, Republicans and Democrats alike are calling Arnold a 'Miracle Worker'.
Go figure...
Rosco @ Sat May 08, 2004 8:49 pm
h0bb3s h0bb3s:
Bowling for columbine is an excellent movie. if you can watch that and then spew out bullshit about it being a bunch of lies then I want you to move to the USA. you belong there.
and moore had the balls to stand up at the academy awards and say the shit nobody else would.
and I'd really really REALLY like to hear reasons why its a pile of lies.
I need a good laugh.
and moore had the balls to stand up at the academy awards and say the shit nobody else would.
and I'd really really REALLY like to hear reasons why its a pile of lies.
I need a good laugh.
Bowling For Columbine "works" by throwing such an extensive barrage of hysterically emotional fabrications and shades of the truth that it's hard to refute if only because of the sheer volume of B.S. and by having to come to grips with the erroneous "facts" that Moore bases his wild claims on.
Michael Moore got booed down by a crowd of ultra liberal Hollywood types, enough said.
I have extensively travelling and lived in the U.S. over the last 21 years and I can tell you the reality is actually quite different from the picture that anti American propagandists try to paint.
Need reasons? Start with these links...
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/index.htm
h0bb3s @ Sat May 08, 2004 9:55 pm
so what you are trying to say rosco is that the USA is a wonderful place to live and none of the problems that Bowling talks about exist.
$1:
He blamed 9-11 attacks on too many White people and not enough Black men on the planes.
thats a quote from one of the right wing websites you posted. thats enough for me to stop reading. seems pretty clear that the good guys are "white" and the bad guys are "black".
and the other one has some interesting points. however it doesnt seem to really refute what Bowling was about. bowling wasnt all about stats and what charlton heston said where. it was an attempt to figure out why the USA has 500% more murders than the next country, among other things.
P.S. ultra liberal hollywood types? reality check. those are the folks who make millions 'entertaining' us and might not get jobs if they become politically correct.
Zenfisher @ Sun May 09, 2004 12:21 am
I know he wasn't president but he could have been. Dan Quayle graduated from Depauw University...I don't know about you,but I sure wouldn't want him in charge.
Let's not forget the current President. Degree form Degree from Yale & a Degree from Harvard Business school...Takes a surplus and runs it into a defecit so large, that your great grandkids are going to be paying for, Johnny. Richard Nixon...need I say more.
I know I'm not going to change your mind,but it gives you something to think about.
Indelible @ Sun May 09, 2004 11:32 am
$1:
Fact: Heston's "cold dead hands" speech, which leads off Moore's depiction of the Denver meeting, was not given at Denver after Columbine. It was given a year later in Charlotte, North Carolina, and was his gesture of gratitude upon his being given a handmade musket, at that annual meeting.
Fact: When Bowling continues on to the speech which Heston did give in Denver, it carefully edits it to change its theme.
Fact: When Bowling continues on to the speech which Heston did give in Denver, it carefully edits it to change its theme.
from the link just posted
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The oddest of all the smears thrown at "Bowling for Columbine" is this one:
"The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness."
"The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness."
and
$1:
The Truth: Heston took his NRA show to Denver and did and said exactly what we recounted. From the end of my narration setting up Heston's speech in Denver, with my words, "a big pro-gun rally," every word out of Charlton Heston's mouth was uttered right there in Denver, just 10 days after the Columbine tragedy. But don't take my word – read the transcript of his whole speech. Heston devotes the entire speech to challenging the Denver mayor and mocking the mayor's pleas that the NRA "don't come here." Far from deliberately editing the film to make Heston look worse, I chose to leave most of this out and not make Heston look as evil as he actually was.
the link posted way earlier
i dunno how one can continue to argue this....???
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun May 09, 2004 11:46 am
h0bb3s h0bb3s:
so what you are trying to say rosco is that the USA is a wonderful place to live and none of the problems that Bowling talks about exist.
thats a quote from one of the right wing websites you posted. thats enough for me to stop reading. seems pretty clear that the good guys are "white" and the bad guys are "black".
and the other one has some interesting points. however it doesnt seem to really refute what Bowling was about. bowling wasnt all about stats and what charlton heston said where. it was an attempt to figure out why the USA has 500% more murders than the next country, among other things.
P.S. ultra liberal hollywood types? reality check. those are the folks who make millions 'entertaining' us and might not get jobs if they become politically correct.
$1:
He blamed 9-11 attacks on too many White people and not enough Black men on the planes.
thats a quote from one of the right wing websites you posted. thats enough for me to stop reading. seems pretty clear that the good guys are "white" and the bad guys are "black".
and the other one has some interesting points. however it doesnt seem to really refute what Bowling was about. bowling wasnt all about stats and what charlton heston said where. it was an attempt to figure out why the USA has 500% more murders than the next country, among other things.
P.S. ultra liberal hollywood types? reality check. those are the folks who make millions 'entertaining' us and might not get jobs if they become politically correct.
The US is a great place to live. I lived there, never had any problems, felt generally safe, lots of fun things to do, lots of cool places to see, plenty of food and shopping places, lots of cool beaches and so on. Every country has some bad things, and what Michael Moore did was blow them out of proportion to make the US look like a terrible place. It's all about where you live. I never had any problems in the US, and found living there very enjoyable. There seems to always be something happening in the US, and that is pretty interesting. Any day you can wake up and something big has gone down. I guess that is the life in a superpower of 300 million people, never that many boring days. Canada is fun, but I've had plenty of boring days, where I sit and watch the news about a street walk that is unsafe, or whatever else. Overall, I feel as safe in Canada as in the US.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun May 09, 2004 11:50 am
Zenfisher Zenfisher:
I know he wasn't president but he could have been. Dan Quayle graduated from Depauw University...I don't know about you,but I sure wouldn't want him in charge.
Let's not forget the current President. Degree form Degree from Yale & a Degree from Harvard Business school...Takes a surplus and runs it into a defecit so large, that your great grandkids are going to be paying for, Johnny. Richard Nixon...need I say more.
I know I'm not going to change your mind,but it gives you something to think about.
Let's not forget the current President. Degree form Degree from Yale & a Degree from Harvard Business school...Takes a surplus and runs it into a defecit so large, that your great grandkids are going to be paying for, Johnny. Richard Nixon...need I say more.
I know I'm not going to change your mind,but it gives you something to think about.
Never said I think that every person with a degree is a great person, just that I want a good person who has a degree. Someone who is well-rounded, has a degree, experience in life, and is a decent person. That would be my ideal leader.
Rev_Blair @ Sun May 09, 2004 12:16 pm
The degrees traditionally sought by politicians tend to lead to something other than well-roundedness though Johnny. Law and business are not occupations that encourage empathy with the people, or understanding of the plight of others. They are fields that reward amorality at best, greed at worst.
Greed and amorality are not considered leadership qualities by most of us.
h0bb3s @ Sun May 09, 2004 12:43 pm
Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:
The US is a great place to live. I lived there, never had any problems, felt generally safe, lots of fun things to do, lots of cool places to see, plenty of food and shopping places, lots of cool beaches and so on. Every country has some bad things, and what Michael Moore did was blow them out of proportion to make the US look like a terrible place. It's all about where you live. I never had any problems in the US, and found living there very enjoyable. There seems to always be something happening in the US, and that is pretty interesting. Any day you can wake up and something big has gone down. I guess that is the life in a superpower of 300 million people, never that many boring days. Canada is fun, but I've had plenty of boring days, where I sit and watch the news about a street walk that is unsafe, or whatever else. Overall, I feel as safe in Canada as in the US.
I dont think moore was trying to say it is a terrible place and nobody should ever go there. he thinks there are problems and he made a movie about them. I saw the movie and agreed with the gist of what he was saying. If you want to get your panties in a bunch and think that moore was trying to make everyone who lives in the USA look bad, then thats your perogative.
with bush and cheney running things everyone looks pretty bad already.
ahnuld is already governor of california, I give him 5 years til he's president. with bush in office now, whats so bad about moore running for president? at least the debates would be comical. and you cant really argue the education card. bush may have gone to university or whatnot, but that doesnt mean he learned anything. the man is dumber than a stone.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun May 09, 2004 12:43 pm
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
The degrees traditionally sought by politicians tend to lead to something other than well-roundedness though Johnny. Law and business are not occupations that encourage empathy with the people, or understanding of the plight of others. They are fields that reward amorality at best, greed at worst.
Greed and amorality are not considered leadership qualities by most of us.
Greed and amorality are not considered leadership qualities by most of us.
Yeah, and I don't want those types of people in office, I want educated, degree holding, well-rounded people. The leader should have an extensive educationl, good judgement of fairness, and world experience. I don't see anything wrong with those qualties.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun May 09, 2004 12:51 pm
h0bb3s h0bb3s:
Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:
The US is a great place to live. I lived there, never had any problems, felt generally safe, lots of fun things to do, lots of cool places to see, plenty of food and shopping places, lots of cool beaches and so on. Every country has some bad things, and what Michael Moore did was blow them out of proportion to make the US look like a terrible place. It's all about where you live. I never had any problems in the US, and found living there very enjoyable. There seems to always be something happening in the US, and that is pretty interesting. Any day you can wake up and something big has gone down. I guess that is the life in a superpower of 300 million people, never that many boring days. Canada is fun, but I've had plenty of boring days, where I sit and watch the news about a street walk that is unsafe, or whatever else. Overall, I feel as safe in Canada as in the US.
I dont think moore was trying to say it is a terrible place and nobody should ever go there. he thinks there are problems and he made a movie about them. I saw the movie and agreed with the gist of what he was saying. If you want to get your panties in a bunch and think that moore was trying to make everyone who lives in the USA look bad, then thats your perogative.
with bush and cheney running things everyone looks pretty bad already.
ahnuld is already governor of california, I give him 5 years til he's president. with bush in office now, whats so bad about moore running for president? at least the debates would be comical. and you cant really argue the education card. bush may have gone to university or whatnot, but that doesnt mean he learned anything. the man is dumber than a stone.
Panties in a bunch? Was that really necessary? I saw the movie, and also agree with alot of things, but the movie was basically trying to paint a bad image of the US. There was no positives in it that I can remember except Michael Moore reflecting on the old days or things that were once good, and are now bad. The image Michael Moore paints, and the reality I lived are completely different. Do you honestly think that the things he talks about don't happen in other countries? Go to Europe and I'm sure you will find poor families, I've heard of school shootings in Germany, and sure the murder rate might not be as high, but there's still murders. It's hard to explain why the US has so much gun violence; could be the very lean gun laws and culture focused on violence?
What's bad about Moore running for president is he doesn't have a degree. There's alot more to being president than making movies about columbine and guns. I don't like Bush, but I'm not going to have Moore be president. Moore hasn't even been a mayor or held any other office. If Moore was to be a governer, and show that he has what it takes and is a natural, then I might change my opinion, but right now he's just a journalist without a degree who makes movies about all the things he thinks are problems in the US.
My main response to you was meant for the line "so what you are trying to say rosco is that the USA is a wonderful place to live and none of the problems that Bowling talks about exist. " Just because someone said the US is a great place to live, you got YOUR panties in a bunch and went off on them acting like they shouldn't say the US is a wonderful place because of problems which exist.
I think you people have this idea that I am just being anti-moore. I don't like bush or the present officials in government. I believe the officials should not stick with ideologies like republicans do about having tons of morals and so on. I believe a perfect delegate would be someone who has a very large education, is fair, has no religon, but respects and believes in freedom of religon, and has world experience. Going for president is a huge step, and I would not want more because he has no experience in office, and because he seems rather biased. I think the US should have those Muslim call to prayer towers everywhere, buddha statues, ten commandments, religous philosophy + normal philosophy taught at schools to children at younger ages, and more freedom of expression. I think you all have the wrong idea of me and think I'm just some right-wing nut who just hates Moore because he's a liberal.