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Brenda @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:08 pm

Omega Omega:
Brenda Brenda:
You know what? I don't think the Europeans came here with the idea: Hey, there are some indians there, lets kick some ass, and make them suffer. And that is what you make of it.

As long as you blame the white Europeans for everything that happened (of course, a lot of things were not that nice to say the least) and still blame the now living white Europeans (and ONLY them) for that, we will never agree.

I never said Indians didn't do a damned thing. I am not generalizing. You are. I judge people for who they are, what they say and what they do, not for the colour of their skin.

I have said it before, I don't care what colour anybody is. I like you or I don't. I don't like lazy whiners, who want everything to be done for them, and profit from society. I don't care if they are white, purple, pink, yellow, red, green, black or any colour.

You clearly know nothing of aborigional history in the Americas nor do you know of their present-day situation.


Oh? Well, enlighten me, see what you can come up with.

You cannot blame "the white European" who came here 500 years ago for the problems a government nowadays created and still has not dealt with in a proper way. Or am I totally off now?

   



Mustang1 @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:18 pm

Omega Omega:
Brenda Brenda:
You know what? I don't think the Europeans came here with the idea: Hey, there are some indians there, lets kick some ass, and make them suffer. And that is what you make of it.

As long as you blame the white Europeans for everything that happened (of course, a lot of things were not that nice to say the least) and still blame the now living white Europeans (and ONLY them) for that, we will never agree.

I never said Indians didn't do a damned thing. I am not generalizing. You are. I judge people for who they are, what they say and what they do, not for the colour of their skin.

I have said it before, I don't care what colour anybody is. I like you or I don't. I don't like lazy whiners, who want everything to be done for them, and profit from society. I don't care if they are white, purple, pink, yellow, red, green, black or any colour.

You clearly know nothing of aborigional history in the Americas nor do you know of their present-day situation.


What part of aboriginal history is she missing?

   



hwacker @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:22 pm

Mustang1 Mustang1:
Omega Omega:
Brenda Brenda:
You know what? I don't think the Europeans came here with the idea: Hey, there are some indians there, lets kick some ass, and make them suffer. And that is what you make of it.

As long as you blame the white Europeans for everything that happened (of course, a lot of things were not that nice to say the least) and still blame the now living white Europeans (and ONLY them) for that, we will never agree.

I never said Indians didn't do a damned thing. I am not generalizing. You are. I judge people for who they are, what they say and what they do, not for the colour of their skin.

I have said it before, I don't care what colour anybody is. I like you or I don't. I don't like lazy whiners, who want everything to be done for them, and profit from society. I don't care if they are white, purple, pink, yellow, red, green, black or any colour.

You clearly know nothing of aborigional history in the Americas nor do you know of their present-day situation.


What part of aboriginal history is she missing?


The part where they didn't fight hard enough and always want a do over.

   



Omega @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:13 pm

Mustang1 Mustang1:
What part of aboriginal history is she missing?

The part where they've been treated like shit this entire time.

   



PluggyRug @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:17 pm

Omega Omega:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
What part of aboriginal history is she missing?

The part where they've been treated like shit this entire time.


If that were true, please can I be treated like shit.

   



Omega @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:22 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:
If that were true, please can I be treated like shit.

You want to be conquered, have your land stolen from you, and be shipped off to residential schools to be stripped of your language, religion, family, and culture? While this doesn't happen anymore it wasn't too many generations ago that it did. In fact, just one generation ago in the case of residential schools so there's no wonder there's so much present-day dysfunction and poverty in native communities.

   



sasquatch2 @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:02 pm

So Britain deserves reparations from France for the loss of Anjou and Normandy?

Denmark deserves reparations for the loss of Britain----or Norway for that matter?

Maybe the UELs have a valid claim against the USA.....

   



Mustang1 @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:24 pm

Omega Omega:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
What part of aboriginal history is she missing?

The part where they've been treated like shit this entire time.


They we're ALL treated like "shit"? The entire time too? And let me guess, they're the only victims of history? Please...why not ask a woman how they've had it or the Irish or the Jews or African Americans or the Cathars or the Celts or the Hurons. Get some perspective.

   



Brenda @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:49 pm

Omega Omega:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
What part of aboriginal history is she missing?

The part where they've been treated like shit this entire time.


You should really learn how to read.

I hate quoting myself, but since you asked for that:
(this is from the quote that you quoted and said I have no idea)
$1:
(of course, a lot of things were not that nice to say the least)


Now where do I deny that Natives were treated badly? All I say, and have ever said, is that it happened 500 years ago. Europeans came to a piece of land, and wanted to have it, it make it like they wanted. That was kinda common in those days. Wars have been everywhere since, people have been treated like shit, Europeans have been treated like shit.

Geesh, a lot of things happened since then.

My goodness, YOU are treating me like shit. I think I am gonna make sure your kids kids kids kids kids kids kids are going to pay my kids kids kids kids kids kids kids for that.

Or we can just forgive, and try to move on, and make sure things like the things that happened, will never happen again. And now I am NOT talking about the European conquerors, but about the res schools. I have said before, you cannot blame the European "invaders" for those things, but the Canadian government. People YOU CHOSE to run your country.

   



Omega @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:01 pm

Mustang1 Mustang1:
They we're ALL treated like "shit"? The entire time too? And let me guess, they're the only victims of history? Please...why not ask a woman how they've had it or the Irish or the Jews or African Americans or the Cathars or the Celts or the Hurons. Get some perspective.

Where the hell do you get get this "only ones treated like shit" nonsense from?

There are many groups that have been treated like shit. Women being one of them. They still on average make less money than men. That's BS.

Some making assumptions about what I stand for.

   



Mustang1 @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:13 pm

Omega Omega:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
They we're ALL treated like "shit"? The entire time too? And let me guess, they're the only victims of history? Please...why not ask a woman how they've had it or the Irish or the Jews or African Americans or the Cathars or the Celts or the Hurons. Get some perspective.

Where the hell do you get get this "only ones treated like shit" nonsense from?

There are many groups that have been treated like shit. Women being one of them. They still on average make less money than men. That's BS.

Some making assumptions about what I stand for.


Again, aboriginals in comparison to many groups, cultures, religions, ethnicities, etc, haven't had it quite as bad (nor are they without guilt themselves) AND many, unlike their historical counterparts haven't received contemporary compensation.

And I'll make whatever assumptions i fell are warranted when you attack a poster for allegedly (remember, you still haven't explained how her history regarding aboriginals amounts to "nothing") posting ignorance. I'll make another speculation - you yourself made an incorrect conclusion about her and now you can't substantiate it.

   



Omega @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:18 pm

Brenda Brenda:
Now where do I deny that Natives were treated badly? All I say, and have ever said, is that it happened 500 years ago. Europeans came to a piece of land, and wanted to have it, it make it like they wanted. That was kinda common in those days. Wars have been everywhere since, people have been treated like shit, Europeans have been treated like shit.

Geesh, a lot of things happened since then.

My goodness, YOU are treating me like shit. I think I am gonna make sure your kids kids kids kids kids kids kids are going to pay my kids kids kids kids kids kids kids for that.

Or we can just forgive, and try to move on, and make sure things like the things that happened, will never happen again. And now I am NOT talking about the European conquerors, but about the res schools. I have said before, you cannot blame the European "invaders" for those things, but the Canadian government. People YOU CHOSE to run your country.

It may have started 500 years ago but it didn't end until relatively recently. I used to be a native affairs reporter up north (Williams Lake) and have seen a perspective many on this board have not. Did you know it wasn't until 1986 that the last residential school in BC was closed and natives no longer were stripped from their families, their language, their traditions and cultures? That's only 21 years ago, so any native here 26 years of age or older could be victims themselves, maybe even of sexual abuse. These aren't super-humans. Considering dysfunction naturally breeds dysfunction in a vicious cycle, it takes many generations for said dysfunction to correct itself. I don't blame victims of these residential schools for being bitter one bit. I don't blame these poverty stricken families living in small plots of land of be bitter either, especially with countless square miles of Caucasian-owned land surrounding them, land many of them got for free via inheritance dating back to the days when whites were able to get are most valuable commodity for free... real estate.

And sorry if you feel like I’m treating you like shit, Brenda, but as I explained to you before, you have to get used to people on message boards disagreeing with you. Not only that, disagreeing with you is not treating you like shit nor is it trolling, flaming, or otherwise insulting to you.

Another thing, I haven't chosen any native-abusers to run my country, thank-you very much.

   



Omega @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:22 pm

Mustang1 Mustang1:
And I'll make whatever assumptions i fell are warranted when you attack a poster for allegedly (remember, you still haven't explained how her history regarding aboriginals amounts to "nothing") posting ignorance. I'll make another speculation - you yourself made an incorrect conclusion about her and now you can't substantiate it.

When you make ASSumptions you make an ASS out of...

Hey Brenda, Mustang is intervening in our conversation and speaking to me when I have not spoken to him first. Are you going to nag him for not minding his own business or is it OK only when said person agrees with you? LOL.

Joking aside, Mustang, I have substantiated my comments quite well. Brenda maintains that our abuse of natives ended 500 years ago. I provided facts to show that things didn't really start getting better for them until a couple decades ago. I'm sorry if being correct makes you upset. I'm not trying to make you upset.

   



Omega @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:24 pm

Mustang1 Mustang1:
Again, aboriginals in comparison to many groups, cultures, religions, ethnicities, etc, haven't had it quite as bad (nor are they without guilt themselves) AND many, unlike their historical counterparts haven't received contemporary compensation.

In Canada, historically, Natives have had it the absolute worst actually. Worldwide I can think of other groups that, yes, have in fact had it worse at some point or another. So what's your point? That because some people have had it worse that somehow makes it OK? Because it doesn't.

   



Brenda @ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:26 pm

Yes, I knew. I know kids were taken away from their parents, and put in schools like that. But you are basing your comment on an answer to DM.

You might as well try to read back what I was answering on, before you tell me I have no clue on what I am talking about. You could be wrong, you know.

It is fine you disagree with me, but I don't think you read what you are disagreeing on. You just ASSUME I am wrong.

   



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