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Is Canada bribing Quebec to stay in the country?

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Numure @ Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:23 pm

Tman1 Tman1:
Numure Numure:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually I did prove it, you just can't accept it. Not my fault.


Oh, and where was that?


Here. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/ ... lance.html

and the article above which you clearly ignored. Yet you're basing your argument on government websites and not local or provincal news. Interesting. You need to get out of your BQ hole.


Let me get this clear, your saying the Federal Governement has been commiting Fraud on it's budget accounting for the past 10 years?

Edit: Just for the fun of it, from your own article;

$1:
Benoit Pelletier, Quebec's Intergovernmental Affairs minister, says reports the federal government will hand his province at least $1.5 billion in new money this spring is still speculation. He says he has yet to receive a formal offer from Ottawa.

"We are still discussing with the federal government," he said Tuesday. "We will be discussing with the provinces and territories at the next council of the federation meeting on Feb. 7. And the discussion is going on.''

   



Tman1 @ Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:28 pm

Numure Numure:
Tman1 Tman1:
Numure Numure:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually I did prove it, you just can't accept it. Not my fault.


Oh, and where was that?


Here. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/ ... lance.html

and the article above which you clearly ignored. Yet you're basing your argument on government websites and not local or provincal news. Interesting. You need to get out of your BQ hole.


Let me get this clear, your saying the Federal Governement has been commiting Fraud on it's budget accounting for the past 10 years?

:lol:

   



Tman1 @ Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:33 pm

Christ, first learn how to quote properly. First of all, I never said that these articles were in junction NOW. Second, these articles merely point out inconsistancies with the current equalization programs in status TODAY. Can you not argue that Harper is running for votes? What better way to get votes than to cater to Quebec. I'm sure someone even as 'vaunted' as you know the inequality of the equalization payments.

Speculation? Hardly. Just because you read from a few lines of an article of some Quebec pundit says it is, doesn't make it so. The Con government are desparate. Can you see them do anything othewise?

   



grainfedprairieboy @ Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:39 pm

Is Canada bribing Quebec to stay in the country? 8O

Do Liberals stuff cash into envelopes?

Are Bears Catholic?

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

Is a frog's ass water tight?

Is Svend Robinson's ass not?

Are there more rainbow flags flying in Toronto then Ontario provincial ones?

   



Saskanna @ Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:05 am

:lol: :lol:

Question should be "WHY has the Federal Government bribed Quebec to remain in Canada since 1976?"

Time we dealt with our collective guilt in the ROC. Quebec was a willing participant to Confederation and if they don't like the terms now, then see ya!

   



icekarma2752 @ Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:14 am

Tman1 Tman1:
icekarma2752 icekarma2752:
Tman1 Tman1:
Only Quebec gets more than anybody else right? Saskatchewan has been fighting equalization promises made by Harper, only to get those payments directed to Quebec for a few votes. Real fair eh?

quebec rules canada...get over it

I was going to conjure up some sarcastic reply but reality hits the big one.

How goes it in the gina? City of Bridges is fine up here.

not too bad thx for asking..and its nice to hear alls well in the stoon..well rural sask and man. have been my whole life and to see it go to shit is real tragic..its interesting to see how ottawa can never muster up cash for our farmers but always has money for french-immersion programs...harper let me down big-time

   



Numure @ Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:03 am

Tman1 Tman1:
Christ, first learn how to quote properly. First of all, I never said that these articles were in junction NOW. Second, these articles merely point out inconsistancies with the current equalization programs in status TODAY. Can you not argue that Harper is running for votes? What better way to get votes than to cater to Quebec. I'm sure someone even as 'vaunted' as you know the inequality of the equalization payments.

Speculation? Hardly. Just because you read from a few lines of an article of some Quebec pundit says it is, doesn't make it so. The Con government are desparate. Can you see them do anything othewise?


I was never arguing the enequity of Equalisation, it's a failed program that should be abolished. I was simply defending the fact that Québec doesnt get the most per capita, in fact, 5 others provinces get most with PE that gets 3 times per capita of what Québec gets.

As it is right now, there has been no changes to the formula. And the formula I posted, from the federal governement website, is how it is being done right now. Any changes Harper brings, with his 2007 budget, would only take effect once it is tabled and voted in by parlement.

So yes, what you've posted is speculation. It is speculation until it passes parlement.

   



Tman1 @ Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:30 pm

Numure Numure:
I was simply defending the fact that Québec doesnt get the most per capita, in fact, 5 others provinces get most with PE that gets 3 times per capita of what Québec gets.

And I've clearly argued along with websites that Quebec does get more than other provinces regardless of the per capita system. If you honestly believe that the government of Canada follows this system to the letter, stick your head out of that separatist newspaper feeding you and follow real Canadian politics.
$1:
As it is right now, there has been no changes to the formula. And the formula I posted, from the federal governement website, is how it is being done right now. Any changes Harper brings, with his 2007 budget, would only take effect once it is tabled and voted in by parlement.

No it isn't being done right now and hasn't for a long time. You see, even if the government creates and tables a set system, it doesn't mean they necessarily use it for the benefice of all of Canada. That would be called Utopia, something the government does actually works. Please give me a break.
$1:
So yes, what you've posted is speculation. It is speculation until it passes parlement.

The article I presented said Quebec and Alberta claimed it was speculation. You honestly think he's going to say "oh yes, Quebec gets more money so up yours Canada"? and an Albertan, the richest province of Canada (who doesn't even get equalization payments) give a crap? I know thats they would like to say but no.

Funny thing is, out west we get reports of promses made by Harper but he doesn't keep them because he wants people like you to be happy and get rid of grand notions of separation. Interesting how politics (which is what I've been saying ALL this time on deaf ears) runs the system right?

   



Virgil @ Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:11 pm

tritium tritium:
Virgil Virgil:
In a sense, yes, Canada is bribing Quebec to stay in the country, but this is only because no effective system of permanently satisfying Quebecois nationalisme and the seperatistes existes. The issue of Quebec being a part of Canada is not because Quebec is a nation, but the seperatistes use nationalisme as a tool for seperatisme. A nation does not necessarily mean an independent country, Canada needs to find a way to prevent the seperatistes from using nationalisme to fuel seperatisme.


Then toss out numbers, let the residents see what part of the National Debt they will be required pay, they can not use our currency and have to print their own, get a passport to come into Canada..

But let them go. It's just a threat with no end. They would fail as a country, unless maybe France took them in, but they don't even Speak the same kind of French.


It's not a threat with no end. Consider how many other nations exist within Canada without trying to seperate daily. The independent needs of Quebecois culture have yet to be satisfied, the Country has hitherto, and probably so on, failed to establish any method of protecting Quebecois culture, and making seperatists want to belong to the Federation.

And nobody speaks the same French, neither me Elvis, nor Numure, speak the same French. None of us speak the same French as the French of New Brunswick, or northern Ontario. We don't speak the French of the French of Alcace Lorraine in France, and they do not speak the French of the Parisiens. You don't speak the same English as the English, or the Americans. What the hell is the difference?

And Quebec is not French, les Quebecois constitute a nation seperate from that of the French.

   



kenmore @ Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:11 pm

there is an abundance of wealth in this country and the Feds have it
so its time they divied it up --- fair and square.....
we all contribute ---

   



majorbragdon @ Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:30 pm

I have a sollution let just round up all of them hairy french people in CANADA and ship them back to France where they belong. Then we won't have any more problem trying to get direction from a person who can't speak one bit of ENGLISH!

   



Tman1 @ Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:51 pm

That might work but Canada signed certain documents called 'human rights' in the United Nations and unlike other countries, Canada usually follows what they sign. Canada already has the UN barking down them for Aboriginal rights and whatnot.

   



fire_i @ Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:11 pm

majorbragdon majorbragdon:
I have a sollution let just round up all of them hairy french people in CANADA and ship them back to France where they belong. Then we won't have any more problem trying to get direction from a person who can't speak one bit of ENGLISH!


Come and try to get us then. We'll be waiting. ;)

Notre fromage qui pue va sûrement vous forcer à battre en retraite de toute façon.

   



Virgil @ Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:29 pm

fire_i fire_i:
majorbragdon majorbragdon:
I have a sollution let just round up all of them hairy french people in CANADA and ship them back to France where they belong. Then we won't have any more problem trying to get direction from a person who can't speak one bit of ENGLISH!


Come and try to get us then. We'll be waiting. ;)

Notre fromage qui pue va sûrement vous forcer à battre en retraite de toute façon.


C'est drole qu'il critique les francophones pour un manque de connaissances Anlglais quand il a probablement rien compris de ce que t'as dit. :wink:

   



majorbragdon @ Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:46 am

Virgil speak some english you hairy french men with a be honkers

   



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