Canada Kicks Ass
Should Canada become a member of the EU?

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Brenda @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:45 am

stemmer stemmer:
The direction of Europe is not the direction I want Canada to go...


I think nobody does..

There is a lot to learn from Europe and the EU though... How NOT to do things...


;-)

   



Congio @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:18 am

Well,

I used to talk with a Quebec separatist.

He often used the example of Europe (the way thing work over there) as an explanation why Quebec should separate. (or how Canada should look like). It had some sense,(ex. more freedom for culture) but still it was bullshit. Europe is to decentralized so that it could be very effective, like Canada. But I'll change.

Europe is the one that can learn from Canada. Canada is the best example in the world of multiculturalism and cooperation of people of different backgrounds, faiths, and beliefs.

   



Brenda @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:36 am

You are forgetting one thing...

Canada is of no importance to Europe... Nobody cares... Too bad, but the only thing people know, is that it is cold in Canada. The USA however, everybody knows about that, that is where all the news comes from...

   



Congio @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:40 am

I know that.

Well, it depends where in Europe. French and British know well what is Canada.

Germans love Canada.

Scandinavians do also.

Other nations are what you said.

What is your point?

   



Brenda @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:46 am

To visit for holidays maybe...

My point is, that you overrate the power Canada has or will ever have over Europe. I don't even think Canada is an example for multi-cult. There are a lot of immigrants, but it is not all so nice, there are a lot of issues too. As every country has.

You know, the biggest difference between Canada and Europe, is that you can escape. In Canada, you have space, and ONLY 32 million people. Europe is far more dense, people are on eachothers neck. There is just no way in the world you can compare Canada to Europe. You could compare Europe to the US though. Same crap, same amount of people, same asses that rule.

   



saturn_656 @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:01 pm

Brenda Brenda:
My point is, that you overrate the power Canada has or will ever have over Europe. I don't even think Canada is an example for multi-cult. There are a lot of immigrants, but it is not all so nice, there are a lot of issues too. As every country has.


X2... in the EU Canada would simply be another Spain, at most another Italy.

We wouldn't big sitting at the adult table with the UK, France, and Germany thats for sure.

   



Congio @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:34 pm

Brenda all you say is true.

Today's Canada you can't compare to Europe, nor the States. Canada and Europe are like the 13 colonies and Europe in 1700.


Well, would Canada be like Spain? I don't think so. Why? Land.

Canada thanks to its land has potential like no other country in the world. Even Russia can't use it's land as we can.
Canada wouldn't be any other country of the EU. It would be the most unique one.

But it is true, that it is not yet in Canada's interest to form an higher level of cooperation with Europe. But someday it will.

As the United states grew with territory and population so will Canada. Territory we already have, all we need is population. I think Canada is waiting for a new wave of immigration from Europe. When? Don't ask.

   



sasquatch2 @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:24 pm

Congio

$1:
Well, would Canada be like Spain? I don't think so. Why? Land.

perhaps you should take the opportunity to visit Spain. My visit banished my poreconceived impressions. It was not a backward mountainous country as I expected.
Geographically spain is divided east west by a mountain range, although it is not as imprssive as the Pyrenees, it does divide,define the land.
South of this the land is open and reasonably level. A temperate climate and getting adequate rainfall produces a bounty. The land is not cluttered with urban development but the towns/villages occupy the hills etc. It is real tractor country. It is easy to see how the Moors held this against the Spanish for centuries. The mountain range was a natural defensive line and the vast economic strength of the agrarian plains fueled the Moorish economy with grain/food exports to the hungry Mediteranean in general.
Not just vast cereal fields but huge olive groves and vinyards. Spain then and now is a major exporter of food.

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:41 pm

Congio Congio:
I think Canada is waiting for a new wave of immigration from Europe. When?


The Europeans will flee Europe as refugees when the muslims eventually take over. Something that is not a bigoted statement, but just a mathematical probability given current muslim immigration to Europe and muslim birth rates in Europe :idea:

   



Congio @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:26 pm

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
perhaps you should take the opportunity to visit Spain.

(...) Spain then and now is a major exporter of food.


As I said before, I was in Spain. I know Europe almost as the back of my Palm. To bad I don't know North America ;(

It is said, that Ukraine itself could feed entire Europe.


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Congio Congio:
I think Canada is waiting for a new wave of immigration from Europe. When?


The Europeans will flee Europe as refugees when the muslims eventually take over. Something that is not a bigoted statement, but just a mathematical probability given current muslim immigration to Europe and muslim birth rates in Europe :idea:



Yes, there is a big Muslim society in Europe. To be precise it is only Western Europe, especially FRANCE. The New EU states from Central Europe are 100% Homo genius: Poland is Polish, Hungary Hungarian etc.
But, your point that because of a percentage of Muslims Europe will loose it's Christian identity is wrong. Before WWII Europe, especially POLAND, had large numbers of Jews. There was more Jews, by percentage of the population, than Muslims today.

The Jews never assimilated, but I hope the muslims will. Hey, I know myself many very well assimilated immigrants in Western Europe.


Honestly, I am concerned more about the USA and it's Latino and Asian immigrants. Not that I am racist or something: heck, no! I am just afraid of possible political tension within the USA someday. As an EuroCanadain I don't want to see Canada float away from Europe. I am just not sure ;)

Europe is already fucked up with the Muslims. More and more people are thinking how to stop the immigration and get rid of the illegals. It is gonna work. Will it in America?

   



Brenda @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:35 pm

You are right that the muslim-problem is only in western Europe. And there is a reason for that. Wealth. The eastern Europe countries are poor, so they will always stay homogenius. No one wants to live there ROTFL ROTFL

   



Congio @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:06 pm

Yes and No.

Yes, nobody wanted to live here while everything was communist and post communist shit,

but

toady things are getting better. The country is getting much more richer. Well, Poland still needs 30 years to gain the west, but Warsaw and Cracow almost are on the level of the West. It is the country side, and small towns that destroy the image.
There are more and more immigrants in Poland every year.
Seasonal workers (from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Albania) and permanent staying ones from Africa, Chechnya, Russia.
But, central Europe has one advantaged of beeing backward to the West: Central Europe won't repeat Western Europe's mistakes. Poland won't invite muslims, but closer culturally Ukrainians, who will be easy to assimilate ;)

btw. Central European countries had no colonies so they don't feel responsible for any shit over seas like France or UK.
And
Where multicultural much longer before people in the west new what multiculturalims meant. Poland for example always had a significant portion of minorities reaching in some times up to 40% of the population! (Jews, orthodox Ukrainians and Armenians, muslim Tatars, protestant Germans, Bohemians and even Dutch). WWII destroyed everything that was good in this land. What Poland could have been, if not for the Nazis and Communist, it would be similar to what Canada is today. Damn, I hate Hitler and Stalin ;/

   



Brenda @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:28 pm

Sweetheart, Poland is part of the EU. The large amount of Turkish and Moroccan muslims living in the west will find Poland eventually. You can not stop that, because Brussels won't let you. It is btw not "muslims" that are the problem (do you know a lot of Indonesians are muslims? A lot of them live in Europe, and we never had any problems with them...), it is the Turkish and Moroccan muslims from the mountains that are the problem.

Europe as a whole would have been a lot different if it weren't for the Nazis and communists.

   



Congio @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:39 pm

Well, but those Turks and Marocans have French and Dutch citizenship, not Polish and Czech. It's your country's problem not ours ;) But Europe's in a hole.
To gain Polish citizenship is very hard. Harder than Canadian.

Yes, Europe as a whole would have been a lot different if it weren't for the Nazis and communists. Especially Central Europe.

   



Brenda @ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:42 pm

When will it go through your thick skull they don't NEED Polish Citizenship, as long as they have another European one? Just as Polish people, they TOO can work everywhere they like in Europe. Dutch Citizenship is the same as European Citizenship. Polish Citizenship is the same as European Citizenship.

There are no borders anymore, not seriously anyway. There is no border patrol in the West, but in the East there is. (I was checked when I drove from Czechy ;-) to Poland...). You are not checked when you drive from Holland to Germany to Czechy though... (although I am not sure about the German-Czechy border...)

Anyway, in the West, there are no passport checks anymore...

   



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