Gas Prices!!!!
Brenda @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:00 am
Red_Eye Red_Eye:
Brenda Brenda:
Of Course Shell, BP, Exxon and whatever company makes profit. So does Sony, Toyota, Telus or any other. Unless you want gas to be a government-thing, it will always be a free-market product.
You don't HAVE to use as much as you do, you could always work from home, or close to home so you can walk to work. You can go live in the city, and use public transit. There are a lot of options. I agree gasprices suck, but I still pay way less than I did in Holland (Thank you Shell
).
Buy Oil bonds, see if you complain when you make lots of profit then.
Basicly... Suck it up, stop complaining, but DO something about it if you are not happy with it.
Oh well, just my $ .02
You don't HAVE to use as much as you do, you could always work from home, or close to home so you can walk to work. You can go live in the city, and use public transit. There are a lot of options. I agree gasprices suck, but I still pay way less than I did in Holland (Thank you Shell
). Buy Oil bonds, see if you complain when you make lots of profit then.
Basicly... Suck it up, stop complaining, but DO something about it if you are not happy with it.
Oh well, just my $ .02
Your also forgetting that not everbody that can afford to pay for gas through the nose. It has a domino affect. Goods cost more, expenses to get to work cost more. Some are just getting by as it is. This will create more poverty than anything else. Like I said sure make a profit but gees don't make record profits on our back when you lose nothing off out backs.
If it wasn't for the population needing gas they wouldn't exist. So in turn theres a certain responsability they owe the population. Its not a fair market and eventually it will bite themselves in the ass, right after we have no ass left to bite.
No, I did not forget that. All I say is that you have to get priorities straight.
Get yourself a cheaper, older car. No need for a big truck if you can't afford to fill the tank, eh?
Goods will always cost more. That is not just gas prices. We complain about the products from China, but we can not afford to make them here. Nobody will buy them, because we are too expensive. Our labout costs are way higher, which drives the price up.
25% is not record profit, btw...
Yogi @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:26 am
$1.14.9/l here still last night.Probably up a few cents today.Living out in the country means I have to travel all over the area for work. Some days 160 km one way.
But like the 'good,little, polite, Canadians', that we are, we'll bitch and whine about the prices for a few days and then we'll STFU and make the necessary changes to OUR lifestyles to accomodate THEM and just 'hang on to our own ankles' even tighter while 'they' continue to 'give it to us up the ass' without benefit of lubricant!
Brenda @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:33 am
129.9 here.
You know, you can always raise YOUR prices too... When you are your own boss, that is an option you have...
Yogi @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:48 am
Brenda Brenda:
129.9 here.
You know, you can always raise YOUR prices too... When you are your own boss, that is an option you have...
You know, you can always raise YOUR prices too... When you are your own boss, that is an option you have...
For some reason. I just don't find that to be much of a consolation at all! Doesnt'nt it aways seem to be those who can least afford it who get the'shittiest end of the stick'?
mtbr @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:54 am
complain complain and complain Canadians are good at that but will never take any of the blame.
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/ ... 6-sun.html
By PETER ZIMONJIC, NATIONAL BUREAU
A carbon tax likely won't convince people to conserve gas, according to new figures from Statistics Canada, which show the rising price of oil hasn't compelled drivers to cut their consumption.
Nationally, gas prices rose 7.9% between March 2007 and March 2008, but Canadians spent 11.3% more at the pumps last year compared to 2006, indicating they consumed more gas despite the increased price.
"What we are not seeing is a decrease, or even a stabilization in fuel usage overall," says Dale Marshall of the David Suzuki Foundation. "It takes quite considerable increases in price to have any effect on consumption."
Marshall points to the cost of fuel in Europe and Japan, which is about double what we pay here, as an example of where prices need to be to influence consumer behaviour.
"It's not a 5% or 10% increase in prices that will have any effect, but a 40% or 50% increase in gas prices that will," he says.
TOUGHER STANDARDS
Marshall says tougher fuel efficiency standards for cars are the only way forward. He and other environmentalists want the Canadian government to adopt California-style emissions regulations, called Pavley rules.
The rules require automakers selling cars in California to be 30% more fuel efficient by 2016 than they were in 2002.
Have we hit that 40% yet 
Brenda @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:07 am
Yogi Yogi:
Brenda Brenda:
129.9 here.
You know, you can always raise YOUR prices too... When you are your own boss, that is an option you have...
You know, you can always raise YOUR prices too... When you are your own boss, that is an option you have...
For some reason. I just don't find that to be much of a consolation at all! Doesnt'nt it aways seem to be those who can least afford it who get the'shittiest end of the stick'?
Uhhmmm, yeah, of course...
Prices of 1960 would not make you survive now, would they. I don't think people weren't complaining then, that everything got so expensive... I remember my dad saying when he smoked, he paid 25 cents for a pack of smokes...
And he made 4.50 a week though
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:54 am
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Roman says
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
$1:
Keep buying gas and tell me if the price goes down. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep riding the bus and using my bicycle and laughing in your dumb face because I don't pay a cent.
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
Of course, a bicycle doesn't need roads like a car does. Bike paths also don't use up nearly as much asphalt as roads do, and still require far less maintenance the simple fact that bicycles don't weigh a ton and a half each or more.
Yet you still use the roads funded by gas tax's from motorists.What a hypocrite.
I use bike paths, roads, grass, forests, anything at all where two wheels can travel. Do I need to pay a tax to walk on the road as well?
The reason you pay tax for the road is because your ton and a half vehicle damages it every time you use it, so it has to be repaired every few years. My bicycle, by comparison, does no damage at all.
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:16 am
Red_Eye Red_Eye:
$1:
Nope. I already gave a bunch of alternatives methods of travel. I will not repeat myself.
Thats great for you , we are not so lucky.
So do something about it. Bitching on the internet isn't going to solve your problems, nor is whining about the price of gas.
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I don't take anything out of your pocket. I use as little fossil fuel as possible in my life. I use the bus during the winter and to get to work or school year round, and bike all other times when weather permits. I probably rode over 1500km on my bicycle last year from April until the first heavy snowfall.
Who was talking about you taking anything out my pocket???? The oil companies is what I'm talking about..
If I drove a car, I would be taking money out of your pocket by increasing demand.
$1:
Some of us have jobs that take to different places and have no choice, some need to carry tools for that job.
Most people don't. People who actually need to travel long distances or haul heavy equipement don't apply to anything I said. If most of the people who drove a car to their office job today took the bus or a train or a car pool or rode a bike to work instead of being selfish pricks with a high sense of entitlement, none of you would have anything to say right now.
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No one should have to drive to go to work. Light rail to the suburbs would solve this problem immensely. Do you know that one passenger car full of people can remove up to eight lanes of road traffic?
Obviously you think everyone works in a fixed location and advance your solutions acording to your life style. You need to look at a wider picture.
No, I know that most of the assholes on the road are driving to somewhere in the city. If that does not apply to you, then neither does anything I've said.
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So the only solution is to keep driving? What will you do when it costs your entire paycheque to fill up your gas tank? Keep whining and hope it goes away?
By then the economy will be at a stand still if not defeated as a whole. Maybe a revolution would be in order and a few heads rolling could get things going again.
$1:
Keep wishing. The only revolution that's going to solve this problem is better infrastructure for cities and vehicles that don't rely on oil byproducts. The economy cannot rely on oil forever.
In case you've missed the gist of my entire argument, as it seems you have, CITIES AND PEOPLE DRIVING IN CITIES ARE THE PROBLEM. If you are not in a city, and/or do not drive in a city, you are probably not a part of the problem.
I hope that's clear now.
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Easily said when you can be independant from it and have other options as to walk and ride a bike.
I live in a city. I choose not to be a part of the problem.
dog77_1999 @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:40 am
Red_Eye Red_Eye:
$1:
There is not a lot that oil companies can do to reduce gas prices, since it costs a lot of money to produce it, said Chris Feltin, a stock analyst with Tristone Capital.
"They're not going to produce it for free or at a loss, so as your input costs increase the cost for the finished product also must increase," he said. "The only thing that's going to change that is if demand falls."
"They're not going to produce it for free or at a loss, so as your input costs increase the cost for the finished product also must increase," he said. "The only thing that's going to change that is if demand falls."
Yesterday European oil giants Royal Dutch Shell PLC and BP PLC also reported humongous profits. Shell made 25% more than it did last year with a record $9.08-billion US in earnings. BP brought in $7.6 billion, a 44% increase over 2007. [/quote]
Kind of contradicts it self doesn't it?
Far from making it for free or even at cost.[/quote]
Question, where was the government when the oil companies lost their shirt in the 80s? Or perhaps when those workers had to torch their own houses in order to get money to buy food?
Face, you and everyone else took advantage of the free market system when gas was cheap. Now it's the other way and you want nothing to do with it.
It's supply and demand. More people want the stuff. They have as much money as you. Highest bidder gets the oil. So either pay more or use less.
Red_Eye @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:23 pm
How many billions in profit will it take to say thats enough?
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:49 pm
Red_Eye Red_Eye:
How many billions in profit will it take to say thats enough?
Enough for who? Oil companies like making profit, so as long as you keep feeding them, they're going to keep making profit.
Red_Eye @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:59 pm
its more complex than that
mtbr @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:11 pm
Red_Eye Red_Eye:
How many billions in profit will it take to say thats enough?
how many billions in investment does it take to make a billion?
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:30 pm
Red_Eye Red_Eye:
its more complex than that
Wow, good explanation. I fully understand how your irrational mind thinks now.
No, it's really not more complex than that. You use oil byproducts, oil companies make oil byproducts. Oil companies want money in exchange for their oil byproducts. You have money. You give them money for their oil byproducts. They make more money.
But you are not the only person who has money and wants oil byproducts, and the demand increases every day while supplies decrease. There are billions of other people who also want oil byproducts. Markets are a game of supply and demand, and when supply is low, and demand is high, cost goes up. When the cost goes up, and you keep buying, oil companies make more profit. Profit does not come from thin air.
So, it's your choice. Reduce your consumption or quit bitching, cause the price isn't going to go down.
Brenda @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:32 pm
I don't agree often with you Roman, but this time I do.