Gas Prices!!!!
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romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:46 am
CapeApe CapeApe:
we have to put the preasure on our politicians....
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
If you buy gasoline, you only have yourself to blame for their profits.
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:05 am
commanderkai commanderkai:
romanP romanP:
commanderkai commanderkai:
romanP romanP:
The excuse is that people drive cars. Demand for gas makes the price of gas go up, since there is dwindling supply. You may notice that, since people started using gasoline, the price has only gone up. The solution is to stop using gasoline.
And then what? What do we use if we can't have gasoline? Please inform us all on something other than basic economics you learned in grade 6.
Electric cars and light rail train have been around for more than a century. It is absolutely inexcusable for us to have got rid of or downplayed these technologies.
As for the basic economics of grade 6, I doubt you ever learned any at all.
Electric cars. Oh great, hold on let me go more than 100km before needing to stop for the night. Excuse me that I drive more than that visiting family, or anything else.
For day to day use in the city, most people do not drive more than 80km. Unless you drive 100km every day to visit your family, your argument is irrelevent. There are other ways of travelling long distances as well.
$1:
Light Rail has worked so well. Excuse me, let me go from Montreal to Windsor in LIGHT RAIL. You're nuts.
I'm not nuts, you fail to understand the issue. Light rail is a municipal service, and has been seen by many cities that have built light rail lines as a vast improvement to city infrastructure. It requires far less maintenance than what is required for asphalt roads for hundreds of thousands of cars each with one person in them.
$1:
You basically said as people use it, price goes up. Holy shit I can say that about anything people buy. Ohhh but if we STOP buying, we can watch the price goes down.
Its common sense, not a argument.
Its common sense, not a argument.
Keep buying gas and tell me if the price goes down. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep riding the bus and using my bicycle and laughing in your dumb face because I don't pay a cent.
Red_Eye @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:07 am
romanP romanP:
CapeApe CapeApe:
we have to put the preasure on our politicians....
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
If you buy gasoline, you only have yourself to blame for their profits.
The more you spend the more the economy rolls. But the more you take out of my pockets just to get to work and do the things I need to do the less I have to spend.
Before the gas hike seven years or so, my gas expenses for the week was 5% of what I earned, now it cost me 15% of that on a good day (not including the new hike). Taking away that money doesn't create new jobs.
Your solution doesn't hold much water as we have to travel. If work, grocerie store and all other accomodies were in walking distance , yeah you bet the car would stay parked. How many have to drive go to work? The avaerage distance of travelling is getting further and further, as the cost of housing in the city seems to be getting higher and higher.
See we are in between a rock and a hard place and the oil companies know it. Are in bed with the government too.
This is a direct attack on the economy. Do they have to make up to 20% more profit in the process?....no! This is going to stiffle us. Strange how , also the big oil companies have bought just about all alternative fuel alternatives and posibilities.
All we are to them are lab rats and we have no choice to swallow what they feed us.
Wheres the competition between the oil companies. When was the last gas price war?
RUEZ @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:22 am
romanP romanP:
CapeApe CapeApe:
we have to put the preasure on our politicians....
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
If you buy gasoline, you only have yourself to blame for their profits.
ziggy @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:37 am
Roman says
$1:
Keep buying gas and tell me if the price goes down. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep riding the bus and using my bicycle and laughing in your dumb face because I don't pay a cent.
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:38 am
Red_Eye Red_Eye:
romanP romanP:
CapeApe CapeApe:
we have to put the preasure on our politicians....
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
If you buy gasoline, you only have yourself to blame for their profits.
Nope. I already gave a bunch of alternatives methods of travel. I will not repeat myself.
$1:
Your also saying stiffle the economy.
No, I'm saying that gasoline and the internal combustion engine should be considered as obsolete as the horse and buggy. That industry died kicking and screaming just like every person is now whining about the price of gas.
$1:
The more you spend the more the economy rolls. But the more you take out of my pockets just to get to work and do the things I need to do the less I have to spend.
I don't take anything out of your pocket. I use as little fossil fuel as possible in my life. I use the bus during the winter and to get to work or school year round, and bike all other times when weather permits. I probably rode over 1500km on my bicycle last year from April until the first heavy snowfall.
$1:
Before the gas hike seven years or so, my gas expenses for the week was 5% of what I earned, now it cost me 15% of that on a good day (not including the new hike). Taking away that money doesn't create new jobs.
That money isn't ever going to come back, and the price isn't ever going to go down.
The way you're thinking is exactly how the oil companies want you to think: that there is no alternative. Well, that's just not true. Innovation is what creates new jobs, and the internal combustion engine is an invention of the past.
$1:
Your solution doesn't hold much water as we have to travel. If work, grocerie store and all other accomodies were in walking distance , yeah you bet the car would stay parked.
If you live in the city, that should be the case. I am talking about cities. Clearly, it would be stupid to suggest that people living in the country should never drive again. But you should also live close to where you work.
$1:
How many have to drive go to work?
No one should have to drive to go to work. Light rail to the suburbs would solve this problem immensely. Do you know that one passenger car full of people can remove up to eight lanes of road traffic?
$1:
The avaerage distance of travelling is getting further and further, as the cost of housing in the city seems to be getting higher and higher.
So the only solution is to keep driving? What will you do when it costs your entire paycheque to fill up your gas tank? Keep whining and hope it goes away?
$1:
See we are in between a rock and a hard place and the oil companies know it. Are in bed with the government too.
It's only as hard as people choose for it to be. If no one is willing to make changes, then no one has anything to complain about. It's your problem, you solve it. The oil companies will never do that for you.
$1:
This is a direct attack on the economy.
The sky will only fall if people let it fall. The oil companies want you to believe there is no solution. This is childish and extremely short-sighted. The technology to make us independant from fossil fuel has been around for more than a century, and we've ignored it. If electric cars had been the norm for the past century, nobody would be complaining about not being able to leave the city. As it is now, electric cars are being built that have longer and longer ranges and higher top speeds than anything powered by gasoline.
$1:
Do they have to make up to 20% more profit in the process?....no! This is going to stiffle us. Strange how , also the big oil companies have bought just about all alternative fuel alternatives and posibilities.
All we are to them are lab rats and we have no choice to swallow what they feed us.
Wheres the competition between the oil companies. When was the last gas price war?
All we are to them are lab rats and we have no choice to swallow what they feed us.
Wheres the competition between the oil companies. When was the last gas price war?
Forget the oil companies. They only have power over you for as long as you let them have power over you.
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:40 am
RUEZ RUEZ:
romanP romanP:
CapeApe CapeApe:
we have to put the preasure on our politicians....
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
theres no excuse for these multi BILLION dollar quarterly profits..
If you buy gasoline, you only have yourself to blame for their profits.
Yep. Especially if you buy meat. Meat is a primary driver behind the food shortage. Consuming less in general is not a bad idea.
romanP @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:43 am
ziggy ziggy:
Roman says
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
$1:
Keep buying gas and tell me if the price goes down. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep riding the bus and using my bicycle and laughing in your dumb face because I don't pay a cent.
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
Of course, a bicycle doesn't need roads like a car does. Bike paths also don't use up nearly as much asphalt as roads do, and still require far less maintenance the simple fact that bicycles don't weigh a ton and a half each or more.
ziggy @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:46 am
romanP romanP:
ziggy ziggy:
Roman says
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
$1:
Keep buying gas and tell me if the price goes down. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep riding the bus and using my bicycle and laughing in your dumb face because I don't pay a cent.
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
Of course, a bicycle doesn't need roads like a car does. Bike paths also don't use up nearly as much asphalt as roads do, and still require far less maintenance the simple fact that bicycles don't weigh a ton and a half each or more.
Yet you still use the roads funded by gas tax's from motorists.What a hypocrite.
Red_Eye @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:17 am
$1:
Nope. I already gave a bunch of alternatives methods of travel. I will not repeat myself.
Thats great for you , we are not so lucky.
$1:
I don't take anything out of your pocket. I use as little fossil fuel as possible in my life. I use the bus during the winter and to get to work or school year round, and bike all other times when weather permits. I probably rode over 1500km on my bicycle last year from April until the first heavy snowfall.
Who was talking about you taking anything out my pocket???? The oil companies is what I'm talking about..
Some of us have jobs that take to different places and have no choice, some need to carry tools for that job. Again we vcan not be so lucky as you. So whats the solution for the others that are stuck with travelling???
$1:
If you live in the city, that should be the case. I am talking about cities. Clearly, it would be stupid to suggest that people living in the country should never drive again. But you should also live close to where you work.
again , some proffessions are not fixed in one area.
$1:
No one should have to drive to go to work. Light rail to the suburbs would solve this problem immensely. Do you know that one passenger car full of people can remove up to eight lanes of road traffic?
Obviously you think everyone works in a fixed location and advance your solutions acording to your life style. You need to look at a wider picture.
$1:
So the only solution is to keep driving? What will you do when it costs your entire paycheque to fill up your gas tank? Keep whining and hope it goes away?
By then the economy will be at a stand still if not defeated as a whole. Maybe a revolution would be in order and a few heads rolling could get things going again.
$1:
The sky will only fall if people let it fall. The oil companies want you to believe there is no solution. This is childish and extremely short-sighted. The technology to make us independant from fossil fuel has been around for more than a century, and we've ignored it. If electric cars had been the norm for the past century, nobody would be complaining about not being able to leave the city. As it is now, electric cars are being built that have longer and longer ranges and higher top speeds than anything powered by gasoline.
They buy up other solutions , hide them. They also invest in alternate fuels them selves. We haven't ignored it . they buy the patents to it and they vanish.Trust me , if they build a viechle that runs on something else thats way cheaper I'll be in line to buy it.
$1:
Forget the oil companies. They only have power over you for as long as you let them have power over you.
Easily said when you can be independant from it and have other options as to walk and ride a bike.
RoyalHighlander @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:41 am
http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=32883
Red_Eye @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:50 am
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There is not a lot that oil companies can do to reduce gas prices, since it costs a lot of money to produce it, said Chris Feltin, a stock analyst with Tristone Capital.
"They're not going to produce it for free or at a loss, so as your input costs increase the cost for the finished product also must increase," he said. "The only thing that's going to change that is if demand falls."
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Yesterday European oil giants Royal Dutch Shell PLC and BP PLC also reported humongous profits. Shell made 25% more than it did last year with a record $9.08-billion US in earnings. BP brought in $7.6 billion, a 44% increase over 2007. [/quote]
Kind of contradicts it self doesn't it?
Far from making it for free or even at cost.
Brenda @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:30 am
Of Course Shell, BP, Exxon and whatever company makes profit. So does Sony, Toyota, Telus or any other. Unless you want gas to be a government-thing, it will always be a free-market product.
You don't HAVE to use as much as you do, you could always work from home, or close to home so you can walk to work. You can go live in the city, and use public transit. There are a lot of options. I agree gasprices suck, but I still pay way less than I did in Holland (Thank you Shell 
).
Buy Oil bonds, see if you complain when you make lots of profit then.
Basicly... Suck it up, stop complaining, but DO something about it if you are not happy with it.
Oh well, just my $ .02
Red_Eye @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:49 am
Brenda Brenda:
Of Course Shell, BP, Exxon and whatever company makes profit. So does Sony, Toyota, Telus or any other. Unless you want gas to be a government-thing, it will always be a free-market product.
You don't HAVE to use as much as you do, you could always work from home, or close to home so you can walk to work. You can go live in the city, and use public transit. There are a lot of options. I agree gasprices suck, but I still pay way less than I did in Holland (Thank you Shell).
Buy Oil bonds, see if you complain when you make lots of profit then.
Basicly... Suck it up, stop complaining, but DO something about it if you are not happy with it.
Oh well, just my $ .02
You don't HAVE to use as much as you do, you could always work from home, or close to home so you can walk to work. You can go live in the city, and use public transit. There are a lot of options. I agree gasprices suck, but I still pay way less than I did in Holland (Thank you Shell
). Buy Oil bonds, see if you complain when you make lots of profit then.
Basicly... Suck it up, stop complaining, but DO something about it if you are not happy with it.
Oh well, just my $ .02
Your also forgetting that not everbody that can afford to pay for gas through the nose. It has a domino affect. Goods cost more, expenses to get to work cost more. Some are just getting by as it is. This will create more poverty than anything else. Like I said sure make a profit but gees don't make record profits on our back when you lose nothing off out backs.
If it wasn't for the population needing gas they wouldn't exist. So in turn theres a certain responsability they owe the population. Its not a fair market and eventually it will bite themselves in the ass, right after we have no ass left to bite.
mtbr @ Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:55 am
ziggy ziggy:
romanP romanP:
ziggy ziggy:
Roman says
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
$1:
Keep buying gas and tell me if the price goes down. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep riding the bus and using my bicycle and laughing in your dumb face because I don't pay a cent.
Maybe we should start a bicycle tax seeing how their useing the roads that are funded by (gasp) fuel tax's.
How ironic.
Of course, a bicycle doesn't need roads like a car does. Bike paths also don't use up nearly as much asphalt as roads do, and still require far less maintenance the simple fact that bicycles don't weigh a ton and a half each or more.
Yet you still use the roads funded by gas tax's from motorists.What a hypocrite.
Roads are not just funded by gas tax, everybody knows all taxes in this country get put into general revenus and who ever whines the loudest gets the funding.
Besides that I own two cars and buy gas and pay all kinds of ridiculous taxes so why shouldn't I demand an alternative for cars....cycling routes. saves on public transit and existing maintenance.
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