Conservative Candidate... Charged with Smuggling
lily lily:
This isn't just about Harper though. It's also about the ethics of one of his candidates.
You remember ethics? It's what the right is full of and the left lacks, supposedly.
Innocent till proven guilty aside... there's really not too much you can say in your defense when you're caught at the border with 110 bottles over your limit... in a smuggled car no less.
Are you really that simple?
DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Actually, I wanted to see how big of a fit you'd all have.
First off, lets find a place to start:
$1:
The man has been charged but has not had a trial
He has not been convicted in a court of law so he is not yet a "criminal"
True or false?
True. PMPM was exonerated by gomery and so isn't guilty of corruption?
True or false?
Do we want to get into the blinders that were put on Gomery?
He's as proven innocent as Brian Mulroney.
DerbyX @ Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:46 am
ridenrain ridenrain:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Actually, I wanted to see how big of a fit you'd all have.
First off, lets find a place to start:
$1:
The man has been charged but has not had a trial
He has not been convicted in a court of law so he is not yet a "criminal"
True or false?
True. PMPM was exonerated by gomery and so isn't guilty of corruption?
True or false?
Do we want to get into the blinders that were put on Gomery?
He's as proven innocent as Brian Mulroney.

What is Brian charged with? I don't recall anyone condemning him for anything other then the deficit/debt that his gov't racked up. Was he and his gov't at fault when his MP was caught at the stripper club in Lahr?
PMBM is being held accountable for his policies that put us all into debt, not for the actions of a few affiliated members.
Heyzeus.... now all you Liberals are pissed off because Harper dumped him.
The guy got caught, woopsee doooo....jumping up and down in glee.
Now he's gone and you cannot jump up and down any more so... lets go back to grasping at straws.
All the Liberals, who got caught (on almost a daily basis)..... not guilty... not us... who me???.... it's all lies.... I'm not stepping down....I fully deny any charges....even if I did scam the taxpayer I'm still entightled...never ending story...ad infinitum.
When did Martin dump anyone hey, when, where, why, what.
Some answers please.
What I would like to know is how many elected Liberal MP's have smuggled booze across the border and been caught. That might open your jaundiced eyes.
Nope. Sorry. Not going to play with stupid people.
$1:
5.The Government of Canada and the RCMP regret any damage suffered by Mr. Mulroney and his family and fully apologize to them.
Airbus
DerbyX @ Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:55 am
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Heyzeus.... now all you Liberals are pissed off because Harper dumped him.
The guy got caught, woopsee doooo....jumping up and down in glee.
Now he's gone and you cannot jump up and down any more so... lets go back to grasping at straws.
All the Liberals, who got caught (on almost a daily basis)..... not guilty... not us... who me???.... it's all lies.... I'm not stepping down....I fully deny any charges....even if I did scam the taxpayer I'm still entightled...never ending story...ad infinitum.
When did Martin dump anyone hey, when, where, why, what.
Some answers please.
What I would like to know is how many elected Liberal MP's have smuggled booze across the border and been caught. That might open your jaundiced eyes.
Well pluggy, you seem to have missed the point. You are berated the Liberals for not discarding MP's charged/accused of something like harper has done. I guess "innocent until proven guilty is escaping you". Thats actually the point. Harper tossed this guy very very quickly because he knew that person could have badly affected his chances of being elected. It can be taken 2 ways. smart political move or cold blooded disloyalty to supporters.
Depends on your affiliation eh?
DerbyX @ Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:56 am
ridenrain ridenrain:
Nope. Sorry. Not going to play with stupid people.
$1:
5.The Government of Canada and the RCMP regret any damage suffered by Mr. Mulroney and his family and fully apologize to them.
Airbus
Explain how that pertains to our discussion?
DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
$1:
The man has been charged but has not had a trial
He has not been convicted in a court of law so he is not yet a "criminal"
True or false?
True. PMPM was exonerated by gomery and so isn't guilty of corruption?
True or false?
Do we want to get into the blinders that were put on Gomery?
He's as proven innocent as Brian Mulroney.

What does Gomery have to do with this ex-candidate?
DerbyX @ Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:07 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
$1:
The man has been charged but has not had a trial
He has not been convicted in a court of law so he is not yet a "criminal"
True or false?
True. PMPM was exonerated by gomery and so isn't guilty of corruption?
True or false?
Do we want to get into the blinders that were put on Gomery?
He's as proven innocent as Brian Mulroney.

What does Gomery have to do with this ex-candidate?
With Derek Zeisman, nothing. The point is I said "guilty until proven innocent" to you many months ago as to the guilt of PMPM before he was exonerated by gomery and you disagreed. Now you take the opposite position. You above almost everybody else hold 1 standard for Liberals and another for everybody else. You minimize the damage done by the PC gov't, ignore everything the Liberals did for Canada, and will probably credit Harper for the sun rising if he gets elected. If you can't see the hypocracy you propose then man you are blind.
DerbyX DerbyX:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Heyzeus.... now all you Liberals are pissed off because Harper dumped him.
The guy got caught, woopsee doooo....jumping up and down in glee.
Now he's gone and you cannot jump up and down any more so... lets go back to grasping at straws.
All the Liberals, who got caught (on almost a daily basis)..... not guilty... not us... who me???.... it's all lies.... I'm not stepping down....I fully deny any charges....even if I did scam the taxpayer I'm still entightled...never ending story...ad infinitum.
When did Martin dump anyone hey, when, where, why, what.
Some answers please.
What I would like to know is how many elected Liberal MP's have smuggled booze across the border and been caught. That might open your jaundiced eyes.
Well pluggy, you seem to have missed the point. You are berated the Liberals for not discarding MP's charged/accused of something like harper has done. I guess "
innocent until proven guilty is escaping you". Thats actually the point. Harper tossed this guy very very quickly because he knew that person could have badly affected his chances of being elected. It can be taken 2 ways. smart political move or cold blooded disloyalty to supporters.
Depends on your affiliation eh?
The comment
above seems to have eluded some of the other posters here, very quick to point fingers.
Thats why I said how about a little tit for tat.
When will the Liberals admit that there are some rogue members and eject them?
Harper did the correct thing. Martin has done what.........????
I've always said that I felt that Judge Gomery had too many restrictions to investigate properly.
Without an unhindered investigation, you can not find the truth, nor justice.
Gomery found Martin innocent.
I personally do not agree.
Just the same you will not agree that Brian Mulroney was innocent.
This is why we need a special, impartial investigator.
DerbyX @ Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:39 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
The comment above seems to have eluded some of the other posters here, very quick to point fingers.
Thats why I said how about a little tit for tat.
When will the Liberals admit that there are some rogue members and eject them?
Harper did the correct thing. Martin has done what.........????
Perhaps when those "rogue" members are found guilty. There is a big difference between being caught with 110+ bottles of booze at the border then a "leak" coming from you office. I am sure you can see the difference if we were talking about regular people and not political candidates.
$1:
I've always said that I felt that Judge Gomery had too many restrictions to investigate properly.
Without an unhindered investigation, you can not find the truth, nor justice.
Gomery found Martin innocent.
I personally do not agree.
In other words despite the opinion of the investigation you cons quote every few seconds you do not agree, Gomery absolutely slays the Liberals and because he doesn't find every single Liberal and their families guilty you disagree. If you disagree with his finding on PMPM then all his findings are equally suspect. Therefore you acknoledge that gomery may be a CPC plant slandering liberals without reason.
But you will say PMPM is guilty regardless eh?
$1:
Just the same you will not agree that Brian Mulroney was innocent.
This is why we need a special, impartial investigator.
Have you and MCB been making out? Did he pass you his disease? What did I accuse Brian of, except mismanagement that plunged our country into massive debt?
$1:
Have you and MCB been making out? Did he pass you his disease? What did I accuse Brian of, except mismanagement that plunged our country into massive debt?
That was that queer fella PET.
And in Derby's language....PET made a real BOLLOCKS of Canada's finances.
DerbyX @ Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:56 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
$1:
Have you and MCB been making out? Did he pass you his disease? What did I accuse Brian of, except mismanagement that plunged our country into massive debt?
That was that queer fella PET.
And in Derby's language....PET made a real BOLLOCKS of Canada's finances.
Actually it started before that. For some reason, the western governments (possibly in shock after the switch from gold standard) thought it was OK to run a deficit with made up bank money. The US has run a deficit every year since the early 60's and so had we until 96. The libs changed this,
The states can run a deficit/debt far longer then we can because they are an affluent consumer economy amd we are an obligate importer economy. In other words our financial wellbeing is dependant upon a trade surplus and the US is not. Canada need a deficit free gov't.
Expecially for this political crap, we need an impartial investigation.
What do you thinks going to happen with Chretien's lawsuit? It's going to be a major goat rodeo and the longer you've been in power, the more ammunition will be available.