UK: The Brexit Discussion Topic
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
The UK is the EU's second largest financial contributor, isn't it?
I think it's third, after France and Germany.
xerxes @ Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 pm
And amazingly, May’s government survived the non confidence vote.
Tricks @ Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:37 pm
martin14 martin14:
Tricks Tricks:
So they're being a dick to either force a hard exit, which would be a positive for the EU (versus a deal).

No.
A deal would be better for the EU?
martin14 martin14:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
The UK is the EU's second largest financial contributor, isn't it?
I think it's third, after France and Germany.
Had to look it up then. At a glance, I've come to the conclusion it's complicated.
The UK contribution appears to be growing by the year relative to other EU contributors.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/27/europea ... rexit.htmlBut at some point (and I'm not sure exactly when) the Telegraph came to this conclusion.
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Overall, Britain's contribution to the EU pot amounted to €17bn in 2013, behind Germany, France, and Italy.
However, on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fin ... -know.html
Tricks Tricks:
martin14 martin14:
Tricks Tricks:
So they're being a dick to either force a hard exit, which would be a positive for the EU (versus a deal).

No.
A deal would be better for the EU?
Depending on the deal, yes. Much better than losing it's 3rd biggest source of money,
and open doors zealots. Oh and nukes for the EU Army.
The EU
loves this deal. Which is why it failed.
Permanent slavery to the EU buy continuing the Customs Union, and no way to get out of it.
Dumb dumb dumb. This is what happens when you send a Remainer to do a Leaver's job.
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
* TV Mobilna (Poland) reported yesterday that Brussels is trying to suppress any reporting that favors Euroscepticism. TV Mobilna more or less told them to fuck off by publishing the EU letter/demand.
'Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła,
Kiedy my żyjemy.
Co nam obca przemoc wzięła,
Szablą odbierzemy....'I had to tweak the Google translate to get the proper sense but I kind of like that. Reminds me of La Marseillaise:
'Poland has not perished yet.
While we live
what foreign violence can take us.
We will collect the saber!'
Not too bad, but the actual English translation is as follows:
'Poland has not yet died,
So long as we still live.
What the foreign power has seized from us,
We shall recapture with a sabre....'As someone who is of half Polish descent, I think Poland standing up to the EU and giving them the middle finger is awesome. Poland, Hungary, and other European nations are finally beginning to see it's nothing more than a scam, and was never a good idea. The EU needs to be destroyed, with each country going back to doing their own thing, and each having their own currency again as well.
-J.
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
At a glance, I've come to the conclusion it's complicated.
Contributions are based on economic performance.
You do well, you pay more.
Don't forget the UK also gets a rebate (thanks to Margaret Thatcher)
that lowers the overall bill a bit for the UK.
And then don't forget, everything below #5 Spain, is either too small a contributor
to be really relevant ( Holland or Belgium ), or a taker of money ( Romania or Greece )
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
Not too bad, but the actual English translation is as follows:
'Poland has not yet died,
So long as we still live.
What the foreign power has seized from us,
We shall recapture with a sabre....'
As someone who is of half Polish descent, I think Poland standing up to the EU and giving them the middle finger is awesome. Poland, Hungary, and other European nations are finally beginning to see it's nothing more than a scam, and was never a good idea. The EU needs to be destroyed, with each country going back to doing their own thing, and each having their own currency again as well.
-J.
French Yellow Jackets need to adopt Frexit so they can sing their song and mean it:
It is possible that May can still get a Brexit deal through Parliament if she softens the terms enough for Labour support. She has to recognize that the extreme Brexiteers in her own party cannot be appeased by anything less than a crash-out and should thus be ignored. They've nowhere to go. It's time to put country before party. One big challenge will be getting an extension on the deadline from Europe. 30 months was more than enough time for the UK to get this done.
BTW the Brits talk about votes of no confidence, confidence votes or no-confidence votes but don't usually speak of non-confidence votes/motions as we do. This CBC report uses the Canadian form for the British vote today:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/brexit-vote-1.4978332
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
She has to recognize that the extreme Brexiteers in her own party cannot be appeased by anything less than a crash-out and should thus be ignored. They've nowhere to go. It's time to put country before party.
She should recognize the extreme Remainers in the Labour Party will not be appeased by anything less than revoking Article 50 and resigning the government, and should be
thrown into the street.
The Opposition is screaming for a no deal Brexit to be 'off the table'.
Meaning either a deal, or cancelling Brexit altogether.
If she does this, she will betray the voters, destroy any vestige of democracy in the UK,
and implode the Conservative Party to boot.
Good job all around.
Mrs Thatcher’s hostility to referendums is well documented. Britain has very little experience with them and it showed.
They should hold another referendum. Polls show that the majority of Brits no longer support Brexit now that they see what it really means and they’re not just voting for an abstract idea .
It was stupid for the government to thitnk that something so important and lasting could/should be decided by one single vote with a simple 50%+1 majority. It should have always been subject to a ratification vote and a clear majority of say 60%.
Especially true now since the Brexiters didn’t campaign on a hard Brexit they promised Britain would get a soft exit with and retain all the benefits of being in the EU with none of the obligations and no downside, clearly that’s not gonna happen
UK is in total disarray, US government is shut down, 2019 is starting out to be a great year for Putin, all thanks to his Useful Idiots on the Right.
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
UK is in total disarray, US government is shut down, Canada is a mess of racial politics and rampant political correctness that is also headed for a recession,2019 is starting out to be a great year for Putin, all thanks to some of his Useful Idiots on the Right, and my all-time number one bum chum, Justin Trudeau.
Fixed for accuracy.
-J.
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
They should hold another referendum. Polls show that the majority of Brits no longer support Brexit now that they see what it really means and they’re not just voting for an abstract idea .
Sure, and we should let Quebec vote every 2 years to separate from Canada as well.
And it's about time Alberta had a referendum every 2 years, to sort out their situation.
While we're at it, let's have a referendum to kick Toronto out of Confederation.
The EU has long history of making countries 'vote again' until they give the right answer.
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Especially true now since the Brexiters didn’t campaign on a hard Brexit they promised Britain would get a soft exit with and retain all the benefits of being in the EU with none of the obligations and no downside, clearly that’s not gonna happen
No they didn't.
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UK is in total disarray,
Economy of the UK has fine since the vote in 2016,
despite all the chicken little leftists running around and screaming the sky was falling
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US government is shut down,
No one cares.
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2019 is starting out to be a great year for Putin
Yer getting quite the Putin fetish, he hasn't said a word. PDS much ?
xerxes xerxes:
And amazingly, May’s government survived the non confidence vote.
Which leads one to consider that the failure of this deal was actually the desired political outcome all along.