UK: The Brexit Discussion Topic
Thanos @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:07 am
Non sequitur.
Thanos Thanos:
For a pack of lame-brains that allegedly wanted to Make Britain Great Again, they certainly don't seem to care at all about the massive and possibly-fatal economic damage they've already caused their beloved country with their "exit". .
Umm, no.
Austerity really can end this summer because of better than expected Government finances, top economic think tank says
Better than expected public finances suggest spending can rise, the IFS said
Economic think tank estimated Philip Hammond had about £15billion to spend
Chancellor unveiled his Spring Statement to MPs in the Commons yesterday
New forecasts suggest continued economic growth and a falling deficit
All the predictions of disaster have been proven to be utter bullshit.
Thanos Thanos:
Non sequitur.
No, it's not.
If you think it's an economic miracle to be part of the EU and it's a nightmare right out of Clive Barker to leave the EU then why don't you want Canada to escape its current state of economic misery to join the EU?
I mean you folks are just a few kilometers away from the EU so why not join it if it's so wonderful?
peck420 @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:19 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I mean you folks are just a few kilometers away from the EU so why not join it if it's so wonderful?
CETA. That is the closest Canada will get to EU membership until North Africa is a much, much better place.
EU will not drop the European requirement from the Copenhagen criteria until that happens.
If they even dared do it for Canada, their own laws would force them to reassess things like Morocco's application....and that just ain't gonna happen in the near future.
llama66 @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:44 am
The economic powerhouse of Saint Pierre and Miquelon is EU Lite.
Thanos @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:48 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thanos Thanos:
Non sequitur.
No, it's not.
If you think it's an economic miracle to be part of the EU and it's a nightmare right out of Clive Barker to leave the EU then why don't you want Canada to escape its current state of economic misery to join the EU?
I mean you folks are just a few kilometers away from the EU so why not join it if it's so wonderful?
One day I'll meet a right-wing American whose automatic reaction to almost every situation isn't a variant of "love it or leave" un-thought. Today is not that day though.
I have no love for the EU BTW. Don't hate them either though, not the way you do. That general apathy though is wildly overwhelmed by the sheer head-shaking dismay I have for the Brexit side, given their entire "vision" is nothing but the most dunderheaded and ignorant manifestation of cheapo-grade nationalism imaginable. If they want to cut their own throats then fine, feel free to do so. I'll save my concern for the millions of other Britons who didn't want this at all and who are going to be massively harmed economically & financially due to no fault of their own but thanks entirely due to the Neanderthal thinking of others. Brexit, and your MAGA silliness too, merely clearly illustrate that the pseudo-patriotism they've let out of Pandora's box is the most ridiculous refuge the scoundrels have ever found.
The rest of the EU have moved on. They just want closure to a sorry mess at this point and are not prepared to spend the rest of their lives talking about such dreary nonsense.
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
The rest of the EU have moved on. They just want closure to a sorry mess at this point and are not prepared to spend the rest of their lives talking about such dreary nonsense.
You sure about that?
I ask because Hungary has told the EU to fuck themselves over Brussels' insistence that Hungary take in a bunch of hostile Muslims.
Italy and France are at odds over the French and EU insistence on dumping Muslims into Italy.
The EU keeps trying to threaten Italy over Italy's refusal to keep taking in Muslims.
Poland told the EU to fuck off when the EU got all upset because Poland got rid of the last of their communist appointed judges.
Estonia told the EU to fuck off when the EU tried to stop the USAF from basing a couple A-10 Warthog squadrons at a former Soviet air base.
The German people more or less told Angela Merkel and the EU to go fuck themselves in the last elections.
The EU is on thin ice and the fucking bankers behind it know that. They're desperate to keep their scheme to conquer Europe alive and they're counting on the British people to be so cowed by their government that they won't dare rise in rebellion.
I hope they're wrong about the British people.
I am sure that Brexit fatigue has set in across Europe. Your list merely confirms that the EU has enough real problems to deal with already, even just with immigration and an Eastern Europe that has a very different view of the world. These problems will persist with or without the UK. The Brits are going to have to make their own minds up about Brexit.
Douwe @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:07 pm
martin14 martin14:
I see, so you want a new vote only because you don't like the result of the last one ?
No, I think there should be a new vote for several reasons:
1. UK voters were repeatedly lied to by the leave side.
2. There is strong evidence that the rules governing the referendum were broken by the leave side.
3. The leave vote has already created considerable disruption in the UK economy and predictions are that it will get much worse if Brexit actually goes through.
4. Governments have the responsibility of dealing with national crises - even those that those governments have helped create. If you step into quicksand the logical thing to do is pull your foot out; not continue moving deeper into the swamp.
Douwe @ Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:11 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thanos Thanos:
Non sequitur.
No, it's not.
If you think it's an economic miracle to be part of the EU and it's a nightmare right out of Clive Barker to leave the EU then why don't you want Canada to escape its current state of economic misery to join the EU?
I mean you folks are just a few kilometers away from the EU so why not join it if it's so wonderful?
I suspect you realize that the US is also just a few kilometers away from the EU as well. Your post is a non-sequitur.
Douwe Douwe:
martin14 martin14:
I see, so you want a new vote only because you don't like the result of the last one ?
No, I think there should be a new vote for several reasons:
1. UK voters were repeatedly lied to by the leave side.
2. There is strong evidence that the rules governing the referendum were broken by the leave side.
3. The leave vote has already created considerable disruption in the UK economy and predictions are that it will get much worse if Brexit actually goes through.
4. Governments have the responsibility of dealing with national crises - even those that those governments have helped create. If you step into quicksand the logical thing to do is pull your foot out; not continue moving deeper into the swamp.
1. Oh and the Remainers did nothing but tell the truth.
It was a political campaign, and now only the leftists are shocked and outraged
that politicians lie. Hilarious.
2. Present your evidence, but then don't forget the 9million pound mailout right at the beginning, paid for by the government, which was clearly illegal.
And evidence, not Trump level bullshit.
3. Present your evidence. Things in the UK are fine, it is Germany and Italy
that are back in recession.
4. Government didn't create this; it was always there. The reason the referendum was called was that the Tories and Labour were losing MILLIONS of votes to UKIP,
and they needed to stop it somehow.
They gambled, and maybe they fucked up, who knows ?
In any case, the decision was made, it should be respected.
Looks like the DUP are going to vote for May’s deal on the third try if AG Cox gives them a fig leaf on the Backstop to hide behind. No deal would be a disaster for NI and I’m sure they are already getting an earful from farmers and businessmen across the water. It will then be up to ERG and their resolve appears to be crumbling too.
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
Looks like the DUP are going to vote for May’s deal on the third try if AG Cox gives them a fig leaf on the Backstop to hide behind. No deal would be a disaster for NI and I’m sure they are already getting an earful from farmers and businessmen across the water. It will then be up to ERG and their resolve appears to be crumbling too.
We'll only vote for it with a gun pointed to our heads.
Douwe @ Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:45 pm
martin14 martin14:
3. Present your evidence. Things in the UK are fine, it is Germany and Italy
that are back in recession.
4. Government didn't create this; it was always there. The reason the referendum was called was that the Tories and Labour were losing MILLIONS of votes to UKIP,
and they needed to stop it somehow.
They gambled, and maybe they fucked up, who knows ?
In any case, the decision was made, it should be respected.
Don't make yourself too easy to beat. Here is the evidence you asked for. You could have checked it yourself.
Here's an A to Z list of Brexit lieshttps://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/l ... rexit-liesTwo years in, Brexit is hurting the UKhttps://money.cnn.com/2018/06/22/news/e ... index.htmlThe UK government says its Brexit deal will hurt the economyhttps://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/economy/ ... index.htmlVote Leave broke electoral law and British democracy is shaken https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -is-shakenBad decisions should never be respected, especially not when there is a chance to correct them. The Brits have a chance to correct the Brexit mistake. Not to act on it is the height of political cowardice and irresponsibility.
BTW just so you know; I generally research every post I make beforehand so you might want to make sure of your facts before you reply to any of my posts.