A European view of Canada vs. the USA
The US lost 6x as many people as Canada, yet Canada was doing a good deed, and the US was just looking out for it's own interest. GO FIGURE! Damn those Americans, what right do they have to lose 6x as many people as Canada in World War 2 for their evil deeds. Damn those Americans for helping build France, Japan, and Germany back up. What a bunch of evil doers those Americans are. I mean I understand they do a couple good things every now and then, but everything is just plain evil, and world war 2 was all just about they own interest and not helping anyone out.
I forgot to mention that all americans are fat, ignorant, and just different than Canadians, almost unhuman. Canadians are superior, we created basketball, and Americans are the nieghbors to the south who have guns and kill people all the time. Every American is uneducated and brainwashed. CANADA RULES, WE ARE THE BEST.....did I mention Americans are brainwashed and too patriotic? There's nothing that Americans are better than us in, we are the best and always better than Americans. We had more per capita people in World War 2, and Canadians make better grades than Americans. American this, American that. We are obsessed with being better than Americans.
AdamNF @ Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:14 pm
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So you are saying that because Canada contributed more as far as per capita goes, that they did more than the US and Russia
No thats not what im saying. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Russia suffered the most, they lost the most men that is not debated. The USA and Russia contributed a lot more, way more to the war effort then Canada. But per capita Canada contributed more ten any country, you need to understand that. Canada contributed a larger % of it citizens to the war effort and long with a larger % of it industry.
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It's kind of like when I was looking at gold medals won in the past olympics, and an Island country was 1st as far as per capita goes with 1 medal, while the US was around number 50 or so with the most medals. Per capita really means nothing as far as world war 2 went.
No that is not true.
Yes in the olimpics as it turns out, whatever countries have the largest populations win the most medals...becasue they send more athlets to the olimpics!!!
Per capita does mean somthing, it means a lot.
AdamNF @ Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:16 pm
And i never said anything anti-american in my post. I think they did a great job in WW2, it wouldnt have been a victory without them.
AdamNF AdamNF:
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So you are saying that because Canada contributed more as far as per capita goes, that they did more than the US and Russia
No thats not what im saying. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Russia suffered the most, they lost the most men that is not debated. The USA and Russia contributed a lot more, way more to the war effort then Canada. But per capita Canada contributed more ten any country, you need to understand that. Canada contributed a larger % of it citizens to the war effort and long with a larger % of it industry.
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It's kind of like when I was looking at gold medals won in the past olympics, and an Island country was 1st as far as per capita goes with 1 medal, while the US was around number 50 or so with the most medals. Per capita really means nothing as far as world war 2 went.
No that is not true.
Yes in the olimpics as it turns out, whatever countries have the largest populations win the most medals...becasue they send more athlets to the olimpics!!!
Per capita does mean somthing, it means a lot.
Per capita doesn't mean much as far as people winning medals except the ration of medal winners to population. The US was actually 26th as far as per capita goes in medals won in the summer olympics for all time, while Finland was first. This is according to nationmaster.com. Now, as far as medals won for all time, the US has 2,116 and finland has 296. So as you see, per capita doesn't really matter except to show the percentage of people that did something out of the rest of the people.
Now, it is very cool that Canada gave as many people, but I just hate when I hear people from Canada who give those numbers and because the per capita is more than the US they suddenly assume that Canada did more than the US. I also don't get why some Canadians or Americans feel the need to say that someone elses deeds are evil and to judge as though they can tell the difference between good and bad. I mean, what's with saying that the US entering into world war 2 and saving other peoples lifes for the sake of humanity, and men giving there lifes for these other countries, is just the US doing the usual looking out for themselves? And at the same time claiming Canada to be the country that was doing it from the good of their hearts? It's like saying fuck you and die to the other person who gave up even more lifes than your country. It also comes off as "we are better than Americans and we are always good."
Sorry for putting words in your mouth, but when I'm talking to someone else about how the US gave up just as much and fought for the sake of those people of those countries, and the other person is just saying they are were basically nazi sympathizers and making it out like Canada was the righteous one, while the Americans were just stupid blind idiots who did nothing about it and helped the nazis by trade, and then you throw in the numbers and say how much more Canada gave, it kind of gives off the impression that you are saying the US didn't really do anything and that Canada was more involved and was doing a better job.
AdamNF AdamNF:
And i never said anything anti-american in my post. I think they did a great job in WW2, it wouldnt have been a victory without them.
Well you seem to be one of the few that thinks that. Everywhere else I actually see people that seem to think the US did more harm than good.
AdamNF @ Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:20 pm
Only thing i dont like about the USA in world war 2. The use of the Bomb to kill 100's of 1000's of japanise civilains.
japan decided to attack the US, and because of the attitude of not surrendering and having pride they gave off, they kind of had it coming. You have to know that if they had come up with it they would have done the same.
AdamNF @ Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:38 pm
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japan decided to attack the US, and because of the attitude of not surrendering and having pride they gave off, they kind of had it coming. You have to know that if they had come up with it they would have done the same.
The attitued of not surrendering? Japan could have kept the fight going for years. Japan had an extremly powerful navy. There is no justification for using the bomb...NONE! Killing 150,000 civilains at Hiroshima and 150,000 civialans at Nagasak..CIVILAINS!!! And not that killing the civilains was an accednt, they meant to kill them!! The Allies were the good guys, good guys dont do this.
Karma got the Japanese for their rape of manchuria. I think you forget the slaughter that the Japanese did to the Chinese and such. The United States after seeing what the Japanese were doing, decided to quit sending them oil, and next thing you know the Japanese are attacking us. Killing civilians is wrong no matter what, but if anyone deserved it Japan did. Do you know how many civilians they killed? More than 300,000 Chinese civilians and soldiers were raped, tortured, and murdered, in what has come to be known as one of historyÂ’s most brutal massacres. The Japanese used torture alot, and did so to Americans soldiers and anyone else they could capture. The Japanese also used chemical weapons which are still being cleaned up today. If anyone deserved to be nuked during World War 2, it was the Japanese, and it probably saved millions of lifes if you think about what a full on war on the Japanese island would have been like.
AdamNF AdamNF:
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japan decided to attack the US, and because of the attitude of not surrendering and having pride they gave off, they kind of had it coming. You have to know that if they had come up with it they would have done the same.
The attitued of not surrendering? Japan could have kept the fight going for years. Japan had an extremly powerful navy. There is no justification for using the bomb...NONE! Killing 150,000 civilains at Hiroshima and 150,000 civialans at Nagasak..CIVILAINS!!! And not that killing the civilains was an accednt, they meant to kill them!! The Allies were the good guys, good guys dont do this.

You also know that the British and the Russians where part of the "good guys" and they killed lots of civilians. Look at how the Russians treated the German civilians after the war. After the US nuked Japan they helped them out and look at where they are now, a g8 nation. Also, of the Japanese prisoners held by the US during the war, 1.1 percent died during their imprisonment, while the 37.3 percent of US prisoners held by the Japanese died. Alot of people also attribute the start of World War 2 to the Japanese because they were the first people to go against international law and start a war with China, and when the international community did nothing, Germany started to build up their army are realised they could get away with fighting wars.
AdamNF @ Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:03 pm
None of what you said makes a diffrence. Russia was run by Stalin at the time. He killed 20 million people...not a good guy.
The USA had no right to drop those bombs and kill 300,000 inocent people. PERIOD!
What, we should have stayed in the war, attacking island to island, losing millions of people til we get to the main island where we would have to attack every city like Germany, where millions of civilians, not thousands like where lost from the nukes, but millions of civilians, Americans, and whoever else was fighting would die. Think of it this way, Japan kill hundreds of thousands of chinese civilians, and the US killed a few thousand of theirs to end the war. Japan started the war, the US ended it with less lifes than could have been.
AdamNF @ Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:15 pm
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What, we should have stayed in the war, attacking island to island, losing millions of people til we get to the main island where we would have to attack every city like Germany, where millions of civilians, not thousands like where lost from the nukes, but millions of civilians, Americans, and whoever else was fighting would die. Think of it this way, Japan kill hundreds of thousands of chinese civilians, and the US killed a few thousand of theirs to end the war. Japan started the war, the US ended it with less lifes than could have been.
Just becasue japan killed civilans doesnt mean we get to too. Lead by example. By droping the bomb the USA lowered itsslef the the level of the nazis.
Civilians would have died anyways, and most likely alot more if the war had been brought to the mainland. Let's look at numbers of civilian deaths in countries that weren't nuked:
USSR: 17 million
Poland: 5.86 million
Germany: 2.44 million
Yugoslavia: 1.35 million
Romania: 465,000
....and the list goes on.
The nuke ended the war with Japan, caused them to surrender, and got them back for their rape of manchuria. The US didn't attack Japan, so Japan brought it upon themselves whatever happened to them. Japan also attacked other US island terroritories, and I think that 300,000 people, compared to millions of people dead is a better number for me. There really isn't any better way I think it could have been done. Yes it's said that that many people died, but you have to know that alot more would have died otherwise, unless you think for someone reason peace and harmony would have suddenly came about and the war would end peacefully.