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ShepherdsDog @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:51 pm
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A bunch of Zionists in the 19th century decided they wanted to go back
jews never completely left the region. there was a large jewish population in jerusalem in the 12th century.
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:57 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
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A bunch of Zionists in the 19th century decided they wanted to go back
jews never completely left the region. there was a large jewish population in jerusalem in the 12th century.
I never said they did, but there was a call to return to the "homeland".
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:16 pm
I wanted to apologize for the other night for the way my posts were written. No excuses, but had a little bit to drink. Therefore, I did not mean to insult anyone for I usually stay pretty cool on this site.
Basically, I was trying to say that Muslims (or any other immigrant) should intergrate to our society. Meaning, that we should not change our values in order to accommodate multiculturalism, instead it should adapt to our Canadian values. Not changing my stance on that issue.
The term ``Reasonable Accommodation`` has been recently used. And it is a controversial topic.
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Reasonable accommodation is a political term used to the status of multiculturalism in a predominantly Western-oriented society. The term is meant to determine to what extent a society should reasonably shape its rules and values to "accommodate" religious or cultural considerations.
Muslims and others are imposing on our values: Example:
Muslims telling people to get out of a sugar shack so they can have their own way. So basically telling locals to get out. It is a tradition every spring for locals to have a gathering at a local sugar shack. Also, most establishments already accomodate the muslim groups by having pork-free meals. But to go so far as to tell everyone to get out so muslims cannot be bothered, that is uncalled for.
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
The muslim veil created a controversy during the last Quebec elections. The rules clearly states that no one, I mean no one, can have their face covered in order to vote. Quebec's chief electoral officer took the extraordinary step of overruling a law that would have allowed Muslim women wearing the face-obscuring niqab to cast ballots without lifting their veils.
Many people are outraged. So basically, why do we have to change? Example, if someone doesn't celebrate Christmas, it's their own thing. But do not try to change it for everyone else.
GerryHurt @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:55 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Muslims and others are imposing on our values: Example:
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
YOu want to tell us what the above has to do with Islam and why would there be an uproar from Muslims about it? Also, please site a source of the above statement.
Tricks @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:15 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Muslims and others are imposing on our values: Example:
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
YOu want to tell us what the above has to do with Islam and why would there be an uproar from Muslims about it? Also, please site a source of the above statement.
http://www.emond-harnden.com/whatsnew/m ... tani.shtml
Not that I follow that no weapon rule
GerryHurt @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:17 pm
Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Muslims and others are imposing on our values: Example:
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
YOu want to tell us what the above has to do with Islam and why would there be an uproar from Muslims about it? Also, please site a source of the above statement.
http://www.emond-harnden.com/whatsnew/m ... tani.shtml
Not that I follow that no weapon rule
and what does this have to do with Islam and Muslims?
Tricks @ Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:58 pm
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Muslims and others are imposing on our values: Example:
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
YOu want to tell us what the above has to do with Islam and why would there be an uproar from Muslims about it? Also, please site a source of the above statement.
http://www.emond-harnden.com/whatsnew/m ... tani.shtml
Not that I follow that no weapon rule
and what does this have to do with Islam and Muslims?
GerryHurt @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:15 am
Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Muslims and others are imposing on our values: Example:
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
YOu want to tell us what the above has to do with Islam and why would there be an uproar from Muslims about it? Also, please site a source of the above statement.
http://www.emond-harnden.com/whatsnew/m ... tani.shtml
Not that I follow that no weapon rule
and what does this have to do with Islam and Muslims?
No...I asked for a source showing that Muslims were screaming about this.
This has nothing to do with Muslims. This has to do with Sihk's.
Arctic_Menace @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:21 am
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The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
Sikhs aren't Muslims. Sikhism is it's own religion.
How many white kids have killed other kids with their bare hands around the world? You hear about cases in America and Britain for the most part.
Now how many crimes have you ever heard of Sikh kids in the Western World beating children to death or killing them by other means?
2Cdo @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:38 am
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
How many white kids have killed other kids with their bare hands around the world? You hear about cases in America and Britain for the most part.
When are the liberals and NDP going to call for a ban on hands?
After all, if even one life is saved! 
Back to your regularly scheduled thread with Ali dodging tough questions on Islam.
BartSimpson @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:07 am
Ali786 Ali786:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Ali,
Here are my questions and they are to you alone. I am not asking you to represent the entirety of islam.
1) Do you abide by the call of the koran to impose islam on the entire world?
Here are my questions and they are to you alone. I am not asking you to represent the entirety of islam.
1) Do you abide by the call of the koran to impose islam on the entire world?
The Quran never calls us toe "impose" Islam on the entire world. Islam tells us that one day Islam will be widespread and it will be the religion that most people on earth would believe in. It doesn't say it will be spread by the sword but it tells us that it will be spread by people converting to Islam because the only authentic and solid religion that held up to all challenges is Islam. Don't think that I am saying Jewdism, Christainity and other religions are wrong but as alot of you have mentioned in many posts that some aspects of the religion were changed and over time they will come back to their authentic views. As it says in the Quran:
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1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray. Quran Surah 1:1 The Opening
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray. Quran Surah 1:1 The Opening
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2) Would it bother you to have to sit with and eat with a Jew? Any Jew.
We can eat with them as long as we are not eating out of dished which they have used because they may be eating pork, which is forbidden in Islam.
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3) Would it bother you to sit with and eat with someone who was eating pork?
Not really, my friends eat pork all the time around me, I don't really care but thats me. Thats more of a personal choice then a strict rule.
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4) If a member of your immediate family chose to become a Christian or even a Jew would you abide by and respect their decision and still care about them?
I would have to abide by their decision since its not my decision and I cannot force my religion upon them. Of course I would care for them, like I would care for any human being and if they were my family then I would treat them like I treat my immediate family.
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5) Would you be comfortable working closely with a homosexual?
I cannot work closely with a homosexual because I don't like homosexuality. If you want to call me homophobic then do so but I just don't like the idea of a guy who likes guys working close to me. Personal choice, I am not sure what the religion says about it.
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6) If your local newspaper published images that were meant to repesent mohammed what would your reaction be?
Sorry, we cannot have images of our Prophet being published in any form whether it be News, Comedy, Movies or Art. We do not have images of our Prophet and we were restricted from being exposed to them so all we can do is ask that people would respect our views like we would respect theirs.
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7) Does Israel have a right to exist?
I believe Jews have the right to live in the land among Palestinians but I do not agree the way Israel took someone elses land and then oppressed them. So, no I do not believe that Israel should exist at the expense of Palestinians dieing everyday. If there is a peaceful way for Muslims and Jews to share Palestine then I am all for it but if one is oppressing the other then they have no right over that land.
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And feel free to ask me questions in return. 
No questions really. I know enough about religions and we will leave world politics to another thread so maybe another time.
Thank you for your honest answers.
Tricks @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:31 am
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Tricks Tricks:
GerryHurt GerryHurt:
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
Muslims and others are imposing on our values: Example:
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
The Sikh kirpan being allowed in schools. Meanwile, a white kid is not allowed to carry any weapon of any kind. It was never permitted until Muslims started to make an uproar about it.
YOu want to tell us what the above has to do with Islam and why would there be an uproar from Muslims about it? Also, please site a source of the above statement.
http://www.emond-harnden.com/whatsnew/m ... tani.shtml
Not that I follow that no weapon rule
and what does this have to do with Islam and Muslims?
No...I asked for a source showing that Muslims were screaming about this.
This has nothing to do with Muslims. This has to do with Sihk's.
Arctic_Menace @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:45 am
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When are the liberals and NDP going to call for a ban on hands? After all, if even one life is saved!
After all, if even one life is saved! You missed the point. Would you like a mulligan?
2Cdo @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:40 am
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
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When are the liberals and NDP going to call for a ban on hands? After all, if even one life is saved!
After all, if even one life is saved! You missed the point. Would you like a mulligan?
Sorry but I didn't miss the point. You referenced murder with barehands and I poked fun at a Liberal ban because your post EMPHASIZED white kids, which Liberals will target for corrective measures to curry favour with minority communities which predominately vote for them.
It was a joke, not a good one but it needed to be said. Would we be as accomadating if a recognized religion required it's members to carry concealed hand guns? (I admit it is far-fetched but a weapon is a weapon)
No mulligan required!
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