BIG BLUE WAVE PRO-LIFE BLOGBURST
Tman1 @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:42 am
Dayseed Dayseed:
Too bad so sad for the fetus. It needs her body to live, whereas she can live quite fine on her own without the fetus. Given those parameters, the woman's right wins out.
Unfortunately it is a matter of "too bad so sad" for the fetus but it doesn't have to be that way.
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Given those parameters, the woman's right wins out.
No, I don't think so. I respectfully disagree.
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And to whomever said we eat fertilized eggs everyday; chicken eggs sold in the store aren't fertilized. Fertilized eggs are called chickens. Jesus.
I don't know whoever the the hell said that but...jesus. Chickens and humans, what a difference.
SJ-24 @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:41 pm
Indelible Indelible:
you see hypocrisy in a few and you label all people who believe in God the same way? and that is how you justify abortion. 
Nah! I just think Christians are evil minded people. I feel it's the woman's right to decide what she wants to do with her body. If you think it's your right to force someone to do what you want, well then you are just proving my point about you being evil little people. Good thing there are people like me that are willing to protect the right of women to decide for themselves...now where did I put that coat hanger! NEXT!!!!
BartSimpson @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:13 pm
SJ-24 SJ-24:
I just think Christians are evil minded people.
Hardy @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:22 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
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And to whomever said we eat fertilized eggs everyday; chicken eggs sold in the store aren't fertilized. Fertilized eggs are called chickens. Jesus.
I don't know whoever the the hell said that but...jesus. Chickens and humans, what a difference.
Fertilized eggs are sold all the time, eggs from chickens kept in anything even remotely like a natural environment will almost always be fertilized -- after one mating, every egg laid over the next few weeks will be fertilized, so one rooster per 30-50 hens is quite sufficient. Some egg producers used to specify "fertilized" on their egg cartons in years past, when it was rumoured that eggs had lower cholesterol levels if they were fertilized. You don't see that much now, since that rumour has been disproven, but most smaller producers still keep a rooster or two. They're a good alarm clock, they deter predators, and they save one from having to buy any more hens.
fatbasturd @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:23 pm
SJ-24 SJ-24:
Indelible Indelible:
you see hypocrisy in a few and you label all people who believe in God the same way? and that is how you justify abortion.
Nah! I just think Christians are evil minded people. I feel it's the woman's right to decide what she wants to do with her body. If you think it's your right to force someone to do what you want, well then you are just proving my point about you being evil little people. Good thing there are people like me that are willing to protect the right of women to decide for themselves...now where did I put that coat hanger! NEXT!!!!
Blue_Nose @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:37 pm
Hardy Hardy:
Fertilized eggs are sold all the time, eggs from chickens kept in anything even remotely like a natural environment will almost always be fertilized
http://images.google.com/images?q=egg%20farm
BartSimpson @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:12 pm
Chicken farms are anything but 'natural'. I have two pet chickens at home who have the run of the yard and they eat bugs and all the stuff that chickens would eat in the wild and their eggs are AWESOME!! The color of the yolks is a rich reddish-orange and the taste is phenomenal. I never paid attention until I had chickens of my own, but I personally think the conditions at the chicken farms are not appropriate in many cases. "Natural" definitely does not apply to them.
Banff @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:18 pm
... anyway to get back on topic should chickens be allowed to have abortions and should the males have a ..... wait a minute ...oh never mind ....
Discuss
Indelible @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:36 pm
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Nah! I just think Christians are evil minded people. I feel it's the woman's right to decide what she wants to do with her body. If you think it's your right to force someone to do what you want, well then you are just proving my point about you being evil little people. Good thing there are people like me that are willing to protect the right of women to decide for themselves...now where did I put that coat hanger! NEXT!!!!
it's not about trampling on a womans right to choose at all. only your own ignorance keeps you thinking this. everyone has been given the ability to choose, and there isn't anything i can do to change that. a woman can choose to have an abortion no matter how mmuch protest or government legislation to prevent it. murder is illegal in canada, but if a guy goes and murders someone they still had a choice to do that or not to do that. so does making murder violate the right to choose what he is goingto do? to murder or not to murder? whether it is right or wrong, people are free to do whatever they like, and free to choose what they do.
Hardy @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:53 pm
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Hardy Hardy:
Fertilized eggs are sold all the time, eggs from chickens kept in anything even remotely like a natural environment will almost always be fertilized
http://images.google.com/images?q=egg%20farm
Bart's right, that kind are garbage, relatively speaking. I can't keep any hens ATM, so I usually pay a little extra for good eggs.
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Indelible @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:10 pm
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Well, it's Christ's teaching not mine. I've never encountered a situation where these folk were the real deal.
well you should probly fin a church where it is the real deal. don't let your callousness make you flag every place you go as fake.
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We don't hate christians just their het ways. Don't feel bad, everyone has to pull a shift at Aphrodite's temple. Just use a lot of lube.
well, IMO, if you hate christians' ways, then you probably haven't met a lot of people who are solid in their faith, but it might also be that you have to realise that christians are people, fallen people like yourself, and me, and everyone else, and because they are christian doesn't make them perfect, or superior in any way, they just have something to live for. if one claims to be superior, he/she needs to do some self examination. also re aphrodite, if you are a follower of dyonisius (sp?) the bible is very clear that that is harmful to the soul.
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I don't ascribe divine inspiration to the gospels. Christian is different than Paulist or Pauline Christian for me. I think they're worth while texts. I think they give a perspective and commentary on Christ, but I don't believe they're infallible or have the weight that most Christians would give them. Paul is one step below the Gospels for me.
why is that?
paul says in his writings that people should follow christ and not paul or some other dude, who taught about christ.
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Are you familiar with the split in the Baptist church a while back ago, late seventies I believe?
lol no. i became a christian in 1999, before that i was roman catholic
Hardy @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:58 pm
Indelible Indelible:
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I don't ascribe divine inspiration to the gospels. Christian is different than Paulist or Pauline Christian for me. I think they're worth while texts. I think they give a perspective and commentary on Christ, but I don't believe they're infallible or have the weight that most Christians would give them. Paul is one step below the Gospels for me.
why is that?
paul says in his writings that people should follow christ and not paul or some other dude, who taught about christ.
I think that a number of people have problems with Paul.
1 Timothy 2:
11: Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. 12: I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. 13: For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14: and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15: Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
Ephesians 5:
22: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. 23: For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24: As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.
USCAdad @ Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:25 pm
Indelible Indelible:
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Well, it's Christ's teaching not mine. I've never encountered a situation where these folk were the real deal.
well you should probly fin a church where it is the real deal. don't let your callousness make you flag every place you go as fake.
I was talking about a particular segment of the congregation, not the church or any particular church on the whole. I never attended a church (quite a few of them) without this contingent. Look at the dildoe case. Some upity folk decided that the devil was once again in River City. No thanks, I have contempt for such people. I have met really, truly great Christians. Not one of them was of this ilk. I've already spent too much of my life trying to do apologetics for the church. I'm done and have moved on. I'm at the same place with the US.
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We don't hate christians just their het ways. Don't feel bad, everyone has to pull a shift at Aphrodite's temple. Just use a lot of lube.
well, IMO, if you hate christians' ways, then you probably haven't met a lot of people who are solid in their faith, but it might also be that you have to realise that christians are people, fallen people like yourself, and me, and everyone else, and because they are christian doesn't make them perfect, or superior in any way, they just have something to live for. if one claims to be superior, he/she needs to do some self examination. also re aphrodite, if you are a follower of dyonisius (sp?) the bible is very clear that that is harmful to the soul.
Again, you're taking me slightly out of context. I was refering to loving your neighbor as yourself. The quoted part was what some of your neighbors would be saying to you if they loved you in the same way. Instead of Homo Recovery School, they would introduce into sexual divirsity training.
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I don't ascribe divine inspiration to the gospels. Christian is different than Paulist or Pauline Christian for me. I think they're worth while texts. I think they give a perspective and commentary on Christ, but I don't believe they're infallible or have the weight that most Christians would give them. Paul is one step below the Gospels for me.
why is that?
paul says in his writings that people should follow christ and not paul or some other dude, who taught about christ
Yes, because Paul was getting a bit big for his britches and was starting to lose congregations. The early Church was not as homogenous as some would like to think. The text you are referring to is one example of the conflicts involved at the time between different schisms. In addition to Hardy's quote, it's better to marry than burn but it's better not to marry. Paul is just a bit to close to The Children of The Light for my taste (for the Robert Jordan fans).
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Are you familiar with the split in the Baptist church a while back ago, late seventies I believe?
lol no. i became a christian in 1999, before that i was roman catholic
The Church went hard right. A lot of folk, including myself decided to bale on it. Good choice.
Indelible @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:18 pm
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I think that a number of people have problems with Paul.
1 Timothy 2:
11: Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. 12: I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. 13: For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14: and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15: Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
Ephesians 5:
22: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. 23: For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24: As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.
1 Timothy 2:
11: Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. 12: I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. 13: For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14: and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15: Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
Ephesians 5:
22: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. 23: For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24: As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.
not saying this is the definitive absolute answer to this, but it is one possibility. here's what the NIV notes said about the 1Tim scriptue:
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2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach. Some believe that Paul here prohibited teaching only by women not properly instructed, i.e., by the women of Ephesus. Such women tended to exercise authority over, i.e., to domineer, the men. Others maintain that Paul did not allow a woman to be an official teacher in the assembled church. This is indicated by the added restriction concerning exercising "authority over a man" (a male), i.e., functioning as an overseer (see note on 3:1).
2:13-14 Paul based the restrictions on Ge 2-3. Some argue that "For" does not express the reason for woman's silence and submission, but is used only as a connective vord as in v. 5. The meaning, then, would be that Adam's priority in creation isllustrates the present situation of male priority in the teaching at Ephesus, and Eve's deception illustrates the deception of the untrained and aggressive Ephesian women involved in false teaching. Thus the prohibition is not universal and permanent but restricted to the church situation (see Introduction: Backgroung and Purpose). Under different circumstances the restrictions would not apply (e.g., 1Co 11:1-5). Others believe that the appeal to the creation account makes the restrictions universal and permanent: 1.Adam was formed first. Paul appeals to the priority of Adam in creation. 2. the woman...was decieved. Paul appears to argue that since the woman was decieved (then led Adam astray), she is not to be entrusted with the teaching function of an overseer (or elder) in the public worship services of the assembled church.
2:15 Three possible meanings of this verse are: (1) It speaks of the godly woman finding fulfillment in her role as wife and mother in the home; (2) it refers to women being saved spiritually through the most significan birth of all, the incarnation of Christ; or (3) it refers to women being kept physically safe in childbirth
2:13-14 Paul based the restrictions on Ge 2-3. Some argue that "For" does not express the reason for woman's silence and submission, but is used only as a connective vord as in v. 5. The meaning, then, would be that Adam's priority in creation isllustrates the present situation of male priority in the teaching at Ephesus, and Eve's deception illustrates the deception of the untrained and aggressive Ephesian women involved in false teaching. Thus the prohibition is not universal and permanent but restricted to the church situation (see Introduction: Backgroung and Purpose). Under different circumstances the restrictions would not apply (e.g., 1Co 11:1-5). Others believe that the appeal to the creation account makes the restrictions universal and permanent: 1.Adam was formed first. Paul appeals to the priority of Adam in creation. 2. the woman...was decieved. Paul appears to argue that since the woman was decieved (then led Adam astray), she is not to be entrusted with the teaching function of an overseer (or elder) in the public worship services of the assembled church.
2:15 Three possible meanings of this verse are: (1) It speaks of the godly woman finding fulfillment in her role as wife and mother in the home; (2) it refers to women being saved spiritually through the most significan birth of all, the incarnation of Christ; or (3) it refers to women being kept physically safe in childbirth
Indelible @ Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:22 pm
wow that was long to type. re the ephesians 5, i notice that you left out the part that says husbands are to love their wives. sadly, a lot of chauvinist christians do the same.
also, if man is to be the head, like christ is the ehad, then that means that the man has a duty to be christ-like. what was christ like? christ loved everybody, he had and taught compassion for the poor, i cold go on and on.