Do you consider this a hate crime?

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Tricks @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:53 am

IcedCap IcedCap:

Tricks Tricks:

So? Someone has called the muslim faith unclean. They have expressed their opinion about it, and now they may go to jail if found.

there's a difference between expressing an opinion and deliberately commiting an act intended to demean someone, if you honestly think that buying a copy of the Qu'ran, some bacon then taking the trouble to go to a mosque and leave it on the doorstep is the same as saying "I don't like Muslims" in a conversation with friends is the same thing then you are an idiot.

Actually I would say that's about the same. They are saying then it is stupid that you have to follow ridiculous rules.

Blue_Nose @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:53 am

Tricks Tricks:

It wasn't illegal. It was freedom of expression.

If someone threw dogshit at your house, would you appreciate their "freedom of expression"?

All they are "expressing" is hate, which can, in the US and Canada, be considered illegal. You are not free to incite hatred against a group of people.

Tricks @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:53 am

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

A pig is an unclean animal to the muslim faith...... to place bacon in to a koran is to deem thier faith as unclean.
If that is not a hate motive what is? And if it was a joke could someone please explain the puchline to me!

if it pisses off moslems then thats the punchline..and moslems are far more dirty than pigs

wow you live in such a small world dude .

tell you what fatbasturd..go to page 3 of this thread..that'll give you a thorough insight on my perspective of moslems

Seriously you bigoted douche bag. Shut up.

fatbasturd @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:54 am

Tricks Tricks:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

They didn't say it though now did they....they can say what ever they want under the guise of freedom of expression.....

They can express what ever they wish in whatever manner they wish. If this weren't true, then muslims calling for the deaths of people should be considered a hate crime. It incites violence more then this does. It shows clear hate. Why no words from these people on that little gem?

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the point here is that they did this and descrated someones holy place.......

So? People desecrate holy places all the time. Why is this different?

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remember last year when the young fellow pissed on the war memorial :wink:

somethings you just don't do if your a decent human being

Lets see, poking fun at a religion versus insulting the memories of the people who gave us the freedom to poke fun at religions. That isn't even on the same level.

Read the title of the thread again if someone had done the samething at a jewish place of worship to the Tora i would be saying the same thing.....like i also said they are free to think and say as they choose but when you carry out those actions it crosses the line.
As for it not being on the same level you only feel that way because one event ment something to you the other didn't.

Tricks @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:55 am

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Tricks Tricks:

It wasn't illegal. It was freedom of expression.

Why not? Not freedom of expression is not expressing you're dislike for someone? When did that happen? I didn't get that memo.

If someone flung dogshit at my house it is vandalism. Not a hate crime.

IcedCap @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:56 am

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Tricks Tricks:

It wasn't illegal. It was freedom of expression.

i was gonna use that example

evil minds eh

Clogeroo @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:57 am

$1:

If they were just expressing their opinions, why hide from them ? The reason they just dropped the book and ran is more than likely beacause they knew what they were doing was illegal and lacked the courage of ther convictions.

Or maybe they are some stupid children thought this would be a hilarious prank to put forward?

Is this really a hate crime? Perhaps legally and maybe they do not like Muslims who knows. But if I were a Muslim I wouldn't go around whining because someone put a book on my door and try to strum up some big story over it. We have had people egg our church before and we just washed it off and had a laugh over it after and said well it needed a good washing anyway! If someone decided to desecrate the Bible and drop it off we would probably just say well at least the word is being spread. People just want you to get worked up over it and hope you do. If you are not bothered by it chances are they will eventually stop bothering you for not getting the result or reaction they were hoping for.

Blue_Nose @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:57 am

Tricks Tricks:

Lets see, poking fun at a religion versus insulting the memories of the people who gave us the freedom to poke fun at religions. That isn't even on the same level.

"Fun" is the operable word in "poking fun", Tricks.

There are no "levels" of hate.

Tricks @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:57 am

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

Read the title of the thread again if someone had done the samething at a jewish place of worship to the Tora i would be saying the same thing.....

Point? I would be saying the same thing I am.

$1:

like i also said they are free to think and say as they choose but when you carry out those actions it crosses the line.

So it's not the message, but how they did it that is the hate crime?

$1:

As for it not being on the same level you only feel that way because one event ment something to you the other didn't.

One is a fabricated belief. One is respecting heroes.

Someone puts a burnt bible on the steps on a church. Hate crime?

fatbasturd @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:58 am

Tricks Tricks:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

if it pisses off moslems then thats the punchline..and moslems are far more dirty than pigs

wow you live in such a small world dude .

tell you what fatbasturd..go to page 3 of this thread..that'll give you a thorough insight on my perspective of moslems

Seriously you bigoted douche bag. Shut up.

Thank you for saving me the effort.

Tricks @ Mon May 07, 2007 9:59 am

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Tricks Tricks:

Lets see, poking fun at a religion versus insulting the memories of the people who gave us the freedom to poke fun at religions. That isn't even on the same level.

"Fun" is the operable word in "poking fun", Tricks.

There are no "levels" of hate.

Alright. So there are not "levels of hate". Anyone who ever flung shit on this board should be charged with a hate crime then. Including myself, and including you.

Tricks @ Mon May 07, 2007 10:00 am

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

Tricks Tricks:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

if it pisses off moslems then thats the punchline..and moslems are far more dirty than pigs

wow you live in such a small world dude .

tell you what fatbasturd..go to page 3 of this thread..that'll give you a thorough insight on my perspective of moslems

Seriously you bigoted douche bag. Shut up.

Thank you for saving me the effort.

I know you guys think I am probably in the parade against Muslims. I am not. I may not be a fan of their religion, but I am not a fan of any religion.

fatbasturd @ Mon May 07, 2007 10:00 am

Tricks Tricks:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

Read the title of the thread again if someone had done the samething at a jewish place of worship to the Tora i would be saying the same thing.....

Point? I would be saying the same thing I am.

$1:

like i also said they are free to think and say as they choose but when you carry out those actions it crosses the line.

So it's not the message, but how they did it that is the hate crime?

$1:

As for it not being on the same level you only feel that way because one event ment something to you the other didn't.

One is a fabricated belief. One is respecting heroes.

Someone puts a burnt bible on the steps on a church. Hate crime?

got to go but i will pick up on this later

icekarma2752 @ Mon May 07, 2007 10:01 am

Tricks Tricks:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

if it pisses off moslems then thats the punchline..and moslems are far more dirty than pigs

wow you live in such a small world dude .

tell you what fatbasturd..go to page 3 of this thread..that'll give you a thorough insight on my perspective of moslems

Seriously you bigoted douche bag. Shut up.

uh..wasnt it you who used the signature "seek out all the mushikeer and kill them koran 9:5 they want to kill me

sometime back?? better a bigoted douche bag than a hypocrite

IcedCap @ Mon May 07, 2007 10:01 am

Tricks Tricks:

Why not? Not freedom of expression is not expressing you're dislike for someone? When did that happen? I didn't get that memo.

If someone flung dogshit at my house it is vandalism. Not a hate crime.

so presumably you'd consider it freedom of speech if someone left a turd on a red ensign with a poppy stuck in it outside your local Legion branch on Rememberance Day

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