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You presume that everything in the "natural" universe needs to be created, while the "supernatural" God does not - why? What law says that creation must have occured?

We know that time began at the event we refer to as the "Big Bang" - nothing needs to be explained before that because there was no "before the Big Bang" - time did not exist.



You can't prove that matter/energy "needs" to be created - the creation of matter/energy has never been observed, nor has the destruction of matter or energy been observed - our Second Law of Thermodynamics states it as impossible. There's no real reason to believe the universe has to have been created.

I'm saying that there's no real reason to believe otherwise at the moment. Saying that God can exist without being created but the Universe can't makes no sense.

   

People say the same sort of thing about communism.

   

But communism is the stage of historical development which makes all existing religions superfluous and brings about their disappearance Communism is the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat.[quote]

Religion is pushing people to be proletariat.

   

the thing that really annoys me is arrogant atheists.

Like the Christopher Dawkins.

Their just as bad as the Westboro Church or Extremist Muslims.

Ok back to the beginning.

So time started at the Big Bang. How did the Big Bang start?

or are you saying their always has been time?

   

Nothing more arrogant than theists who believe they have the whole world figured out from a book.

I think you're thinking of Richard Dawkins.... either that or Christopher Walken, but I'm not sure that he's an atheist.

Time appears to "stop" as matter approaches the centre of a singularity (Black Hole) that would have constituted the "beginning" of the universe.

If everything in the universe was condensed to a singular point, time would not exist - the only "start" we can describe is in reference to time, which is itself part of the universe. Asking when time started is like asking where "up" started.

   

so as an atheist you believe that either:

a) everything came from nothing
b) everything has always been

How much sense does that make?

I don't believe in ignorant bliss, I think its absolutely absurd to believe that matter has always been, or matter came from nothing, and then the fact the earth and living organisms throughout the universe just randomly evolved into being?

Quite simple for me, when I see the vastness of the night sky, look at the anatomy of the body, and think how the world is in such a perfect position to support life, and how thinks work like clockwork, I realize and know without a doubt, only a God could be behind the greatness of all.

   

As much sense as "God just always existed and can do anything cause he's really really really special - like, way more special than plain ol' rocks and trees and such, so he can do whatever he wants."

How is it perfect? We have to KILL other living things just to eat, KILL living things to build shelter, and KILL more living things to make clothes because the world is "designed" too cold half the year to be running around naked.

A living things can be born with defects, get sick, and all eventually DIE.

The world is amazing and wonderful, but it sure isn't perfect.

   

Yeah! I mean Canadian1971 is in it. How can it be perfect?

   

I'm just one of the very few perfect things in this world....don't agree?

C71 points to his sig.

   

Perfect, yup! No hemorrhoids(Fats took care of them), a perfect asshole.

   

God doesn't make life perfect, because then their would be no free will and choice.

Animals are here for the soul purpose of humans.

   

Do you feel that humans are more superior then animals: Hypothesis:
Biologically it can be proven that animals are superior to humans. Animals have stronger and more alert senses than humans. Throughout the history of humans and across various cultures, humans have always viewed themselves as superior over nature and animals. This can be shown through their treatment of nature and animals. The survey of Miami students will show that they have a strong feeling for superiority over nature and animals.Humans can be looked at on a more equal level as animals. That humans live in denial that they are indeed animals and that they are not that much different from animals.Why do humans view themselves as superior to nature and animals even though biologically speaking humans are really the inferior animal.These viewpoints by humans are a basis for the degradation of nature. These viewpoints must first be overcome if humans are to not degrade nature. It is the purpose of our study to help break down this viewpoint and to put humans on a more equal level with nature and animals.[quote]

I have never felt this way and it is interesting to me to find why some humans think they are?

   

adahen, you really need to stop taking bits and pieces of other websites and putting them all together in a big mess. If you want to draw reference to an article written by someone else, you shouldn't rearrange it, and you should definately provide a link or otherwise cite your source. You're plagarizing.

   

Can you prove that man has free will?

   

Next time I will state the source then.As I feel the same but it is easier to copy it sometimes other then type it

Human Nature Proposal
Cummins/Wolfe Section B
Justin Hendy, Bryan Glosik, Willis Okech

Are Humans Really Superior to Animals?[quote]

   

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