Why do people believe in God?
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Biblical_Christian @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:08 am
The city of Chicago, one cold, dark night, a blizzard was setting in. A little boy was a selling newspapers on the corner, the people were in and out of the cold. The little boy was so cold that he wasn't selling very many papers. He walked up to a policeman and he said, 'mister' , you wouldn't happen to know where a poor boy could find a warm place to sleep tonight would ya? he said you see, I sleep in a box up around the corner there and down the alley and it's awful cold in there, of a night. sure would be nice to have a warm place to stay. The policeman looked down at the little boy and he said, you go down the street to that big white house and you knock on the door. When they come to the door you just say, John 3:16 and they will let you in.
So he did, he walked up the steps to the door, and knocked on the door, and a lady came to the door. he looked up and said John 3:16. The lady said 'come on in, son'. She took him in and she set him down in a split bottom rocker in the front of a great big old fireplace and she went off. He sat there for awhile, then he thought to himself, John 3:16... I don't understand it, but it sure makes a cold boy warm. Later she came back and she, asking said, "are you hungry?" he said, "well, just a little. I haven't eaten in a couple of days and I guess I could stand just a little bit of food." so she took him in to the kitchen and she set him down to a table just full of nice food. He ate until he couldn't eat anymore. Then he thought to himself again John 3:16. Boy, I sure don't understand it, but it sure makes a hungry boy full.
She took him off upstairs to a bathroom to a big old bathtub full of warm water and he sat there and he soaked for awhile. as he soaked, he thought to himself, "John 3:16" I sure don't understand it, but it sure makes a dirty boy clean. You know, I've not had a bath, I guess, in my whole life. The only bath I ever had was when i stood in front of the big old fire hydrant and they flushed them out. She came in and she got him, and she took him in and she tucked him into a big old feather bed and she pulled the covers up around his neck, and kissed him goodnight and turned out the lights, laid there in the darkness and as he looked out the window with the snow coming down, it was so cold and dark outside, he thought to himself, my, "John 3:16." I don't understand it, but it sure makes a tired boy rested.
The next morning she came back up and took him down again to that same big table full of food. After he ate she took him back to that same big old split bottom rocker in front of the fireplace and she took a big old bible and she sat down in front of him and she looked up at and she said.... do you understand John 3:16? and he said, no ma'am I don't, the first time I ever heard it was last night when the policeman told me to use it. Then she opened the bible to John 3:16 , and she began to explain to him about Jesus. Right there in front of that big old fireplace he gave his heart and his life to Jesus, and he sat there and thought, "my, my, John 3:16 I don't understand it, but it sure does make a lost boy saved"... you know, I have to confess, I don't understand it either, how God would be willing to send his son to die for me, and how Jesus would agree to do such a thing. I don't understand it, either, but you know, it sure does make this old person saved... "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE." JOHN 3:16
fifeboy @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:03 am
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Oh fuck, OUCH. It hurt to READ that.
they baptised him with boiling water, burned him with heated necklaces, scalped him, and more. Andyet the man didn't utter one scream. The Iroquois were impressed...
Did the Iroquois write that or was it written by the Jesuits?
fifeboy @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:24 am
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ABBAS,,,here is the debate I had with a MUSLIM last night at the yahoo messenger chat room.............
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:34:49 AM): No, I don't want to.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:35:33 AM): why?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:36:20 AM): cause my Bible is the truth.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:37:20 AM): how do u know others are wrong if u dont look at it
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:37:33 AM): how do u know ur faith is right
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:39:07 AM): It's called logic.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:39:54 AM): ok use logic then to prove ur faith is right and mine wrong
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:41:52 AM): Man, needs a savior, right? someone that will meet the demands of heaven, because man was born into sin. so there has to be a blood atonement, and Jesus i sthe only perfect lamb.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:43:12 AM): do u really believe that God is after someon's blood, do u really think God wants blood?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:44:20 AM): For atonement, yes, once and for all, is accomplished thought the Lordand savior Jesus Christ.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:44:42 AM): through the Lord Jesus Christ, I meant
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:48:09 AM): let's say there is a king and He has one child and many servants. his child is very obeidient and kind to his father but the servants of the king are trouble makers and they do so many things behind the king, but the king knows about thier evil deeds, do u think the king would kill his own son and tell to his servant, i forgive you for ur sin, is this logical? is this make sense? is this the right think to do?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:50:12 AM): Ask God, He's the one that designed it that way. That's HOW much great LOVE He has for his beloved creation.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:51:28 AM): i am asking you because u said to it is logical
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:56:29 AM): God said it isnt the blood of the animal that reaches me but one's piety, sincerety and righteous deeds.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:56:47 AM): He sacrificed His own Son, so God can have more Son's and daughter's. Plus, Don't forget He got His son Jesus Christ back from the dead. He can do anything. It's just perfect, and his plan of salvation is simple, NOW the salvation is free, why is it free? cause Jesus paid the full price at the cross, the demand's of sin were FULLY MET.Whoever that will recive it by recieving Jesus into there heart and asking Jesus to forgive Him of his sin's, and inviting Jesus to come into thier heart, and praying for his guidance. shall be saved. Bible says: How can we ESCAPE, by neglecting so great of SALVATION.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:58:40 AM): think about it, u have said God can do anything, so why doesnt God forgive without killing his own servant
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:59:20 AM): have u read in the bible in which God said i forgive sin for my own sake and will not remeber your sin no more
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:59:42 AM): Atonement,,,,,,,that's just the Laws of God, He can't go back and break His own Law's, right?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:00:43 AM): There is a old covenant, right? you are reading from the old covenant
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:01:21 AM): u said Atonement, ok, why would his own sevrant, why not animals?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:02:24 AM): can u kill someone for other's sin, can the court held the father accoutntable if his child is conivcted of murder?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:03:12 AM): They used animals befor ein the old covenant, but that only COVERED the Sin's, but with Jeus's blood, it TOTALLY WIPES then away, Praise God!
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:03:46 AM): remember God order Abraham to sacrifice his only son to God but God told him it was test and God provided him a sheep
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:04:35 AM): God doesnt want to harm his servants, indeed HE protects them
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:04:49 AM): According to God's Law's, the scarifice must be SINLESS, So , that is why, Jesus was the PERFECT SACRIFICE, PERFFECT LAMB.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:05:33 AM): i thought u r going to give me logical answe as u said
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:07:02 AM): let me tell you one story from the OT
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:07:33 AM): What happened to Abraham, was symbolic, of what GOD was going to do, Jesus i sthe sacrificial LAMB, the takes away the SIN's of the world.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:08:11 AM): remeber when they jews worshipped the golden calf and did many horrible things and Moses asked God, forgive my people and blot me out of thy book, remeber what God said to Moses
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:08:38 AM): yes, I remember
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:08:55 AM): ok tell me what God said to Moses
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:09:30 AM): I have to look it up.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:09:49 AM): ok no problem
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:11:40 AM): that is all Old Covenant stuff, we are now living in the NEW COVENANT, all that has been done away with. I am more interested in the NEW COVENANT.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:13:02 AM): what did Jesus say regarding the law of Moses, do u know?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:13:37 AM): All the OLD COVENANT is, it is all symbolic, and shadow of things to come. The old Covenant on;y points to JESUS CHRIST.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:14:04 AM): by the way, God reply to Moses, I will blot out those who sin agianst me, therefore God doesnt blot out his servant for the sin of his people.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:14:30 AM): look at Matthew 5:17-20
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:14:42 AM): what does it say, this is from the NT
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:15:02 AM): I believe GOD, sometimes say's things in ANger, back inthe old covenant.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:15:52 AM): But, god repented, god was going to wipe out the People, did He not?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:17:47 AM): if u read in ezikel, God said that if one turn form all wickdeness and does what is right and lawful, He shall surely live and not die, meaning spritually, so God forgive the people who turn to him because He is most merciful and most compassionate.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:17:50 AM): He is the FULFILMENT,
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:19:27 AM): what did Jesus say to a person when he was asked, how one can enter into ethernal life, what was Jesus response?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:20:24 AM): His response was, "you must be born again."
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:21:02 AM): anyway, he didnt say that, his response was follow the law and the commandment
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:23:32 AM): if u read in Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus said "17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:26:19 AM): abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED, <<< that is the key, right here, UNTIL ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:27:00 AM): Everything is accomplished in JESUS CHRIST< HALLILUJAH
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:27:12 AM): yes Jesus didnt come to destory it but to fulfil and to accomplish what was forgotten
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:28:14 AM): becasue the jews were so far away from the commandment, they dont practise what they teach, Jesus come to teach and trying to bring them back agian to the path
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:28:32 AM): Yes
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:29:27 AM): if u read verse 20 he said if ur rigtheouness doesnt surpasses that of the pharisees, u will not enter the kingdom of heaven
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:30:21 AM): Man, inherently is prone to Sin, and God understands that. So God has also thought of that, he said I will be IN THEM, When we recive JESUS into our hearts God also is with us IN SIDE of us.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:31:06 AM): When we invite Jesus in, Go dhelps us OBEY God, that way.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:31:29 AM): Sin, has no more power over us.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:33:03 AM): if u ask God sincerely to forgive you from your sin and turn away from the sin and does what is right and lawful, God will forgive you, He is the most merciful and compassionte and loving one.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:33:05 AM): That's why God had to do away with the OLD COVENANT, because it wasn't perfect.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:34:23 AM): the law of God is perfect and i know u agree to this
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:38:23 AM): Absolutely, only if you are born again, after recieving Jesus into your heart, inviting Jesus to come into your heart nad asking Jesus to forgive you of your sin's, Romans 10;9-10 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:39:01 AM): You must be BORN AGAIN, God commands all man, now
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:40:58 AM): Jesus was missions were for short time, it was for few years, He said before gone up, "I have many thing to say unto you but ye cant bear them now, howbeit when the spirit of truth comes He will guide you into all truth and He will glorify me" so Jesus was refering to the last prophet of God, Mohammed
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:44:53 AM): If you say this prayer.....Dear Heavenly Father. I come to you, confessing that I have sinned and broken your laws . I am sorry for my sin, and believe that Jesus Christ came to earth to die for me and my sins. Please forgive me. I invite you Jesus to come into my heart, I give Jesus Christ the right to control of my life. Please help me to be what you want me to be. I thank you for saving me and accepting me and I pray this in Jesus name, amen.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:46:22 AM): The Holy Spirit is the spirit of Truth, mahamud wasn't a spirit, sorry. He was Man like us, and still has a grave on earth
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:47:29 AM): Jesus said He not angel. it is very clear and also the holy spirit didnt come and fulfil those prophecy, the only person who did that is Mohammed
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:47:56 AM): Yes, Mohammed is a man like us, so as Jesus and all other prophets.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:48:34 AM): Jesus is resurrected, did He not?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:49:07 AM): He rose from the dead, did He not?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:49:12 AM): Jesus is alive and didnt die in the 1st place
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:49:27 AM): says you
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:49:38 AM): God raised him up.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:50:23 AM): do u know how long it will take to kill a person by way of crucifixtion?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:50:34 AM): it will take several days
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:52:08 AM): A centurion usually served as a executioner
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:52:40 AM): death by crucifixtion will take several days
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:53:02 AM): do u know that no Jews will be on the cross on sabbath, do u know
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:53:50 AM): would you like to be born again? say this prayer..................Dear Heavenly Father. I come to you, confessing that I have sinned and broken your laws . I am sorry for my sin, and believe that Jesus Christ came to earth to die for me and my sins. Please forgive me. I invite you Jesus to come into my heart, I give Jesus Christ the right to control of my life. Please help me to be what you want me to be. I thank you for saving me and accepting me and I pray this in Jesus name, amen.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:54:07 AM): this is not what Jesus said
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:54:31 AM): It must be an audible orayer, you can't pray in your mind
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:54:44 AM): Jesus said love thy God with all thy heart
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:54:46 AM): It must be an audible prayer, you can't pray in your mind
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:55:13 AM): all thy mind
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:56:11 AM): you see we need to submit ourself to God only
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:56:32 AM): And you will be a Child of the living God, all your sins will be WIPED away. you will be born again. you will be accepted by God, because of Jesus's atonong sacrifice
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:56:57 AM): Atoning sacrifice
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:57:13 AM): God isnt in need of blood and flesh
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:57:32 AM): Did you say that Prayer
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:57:33 AM): ?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:34:49 AM): No, I don't want to.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:35:33 AM): why?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:36:20 AM): cause my Bible is the truth.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:37:20 AM): how do u know others are wrong if u dont look at it
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:37:33 AM): how do u know ur faith is right
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:39:07 AM): It's called logic.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:39:54 AM): ok use logic then to prove ur faith is right and mine wrong
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:41:52 AM): Man, needs a savior, right? someone that will meet the demands of heaven, because man was born into sin. so there has to be a blood atonement, and Jesus i sthe only perfect lamb.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:43:12 AM): do u really believe that God is after someon's blood, do u really think God wants blood?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:44:20 AM): For atonement, yes, once and for all, is accomplished thought the Lordand savior Jesus Christ.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:44:42 AM): through the Lord Jesus Christ, I meant
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:48:09 AM): let's say there is a king and He has one child and many servants. his child is very obeidient and kind to his father but the servants of the king are trouble makers and they do so many things behind the king, but the king knows about thier evil deeds, do u think the king would kill his own son and tell to his servant, i forgive you for ur sin, is this logical? is this make sense? is this the right think to do?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:50:12 AM): Ask God, He's the one that designed it that way. That's HOW much great LOVE He has for his beloved creation.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:51:28 AM): i am asking you because u said to it is logical
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:56:29 AM): God said it isnt the blood of the animal that reaches me but one's piety, sincerety and righteous deeds.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:56:47 AM): He sacrificed His own Son, so God can have more Son's and daughter's. Plus, Don't forget He got His son Jesus Christ back from the dead. He can do anything. It's just perfect, and his plan of salvation is simple, NOW the salvation is free, why is it free? cause Jesus paid the full price at the cross, the demand's of sin were FULLY MET.Whoever that will recive it by recieving Jesus into there heart and asking Jesus to forgive Him of his sin's, and inviting Jesus to come into thier heart, and praying for his guidance. shall be saved. Bible says: How can we ESCAPE, by neglecting so great of SALVATION.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:58:40 AM): think about it, u have said God can do anything, so why doesnt God forgive without killing his own servant
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 4:59:20 AM): have u read in the bible in which God said i forgive sin for my own sake and will not remeber your sin no more
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 4:59:42 AM): Atonement,,,,,,,that's just the Laws of God, He can't go back and break His own Law's, right?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:00:43 AM): There is a old covenant, right? you are reading from the old covenant
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:01:21 AM): u said Atonement, ok, why would his own sevrant, why not animals?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:02:24 AM): can u kill someone for other's sin, can the court held the father accoutntable if his child is conivcted of murder?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:03:12 AM): They used animals befor ein the old covenant, but that only COVERED the Sin's, but with Jeus's blood, it TOTALLY WIPES then away, Praise God!
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:03:46 AM): remember God order Abraham to sacrifice his only son to God but God told him it was test and God provided him a sheep
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:04:35 AM): God doesnt want to harm his servants, indeed HE protects them
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:04:49 AM): According to God's Law's, the scarifice must be SINLESS, So , that is why, Jesus was the PERFECT SACRIFICE, PERFFECT LAMB.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:05:33 AM): i thought u r going to give me logical answe as u said
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:07:02 AM): let me tell you one story from the OT
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:07:33 AM): What happened to Abraham, was symbolic, of what GOD was going to do, Jesus i sthe sacrificial LAMB, the takes away the SIN's of the world.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:08:11 AM): remeber when they jews worshipped the golden calf and did many horrible things and Moses asked God, forgive my people and blot me out of thy book, remeber what God said to Moses
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:08:38 AM): yes, I remember
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:08:55 AM): ok tell me what God said to Moses
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:09:30 AM): I have to look it up.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:09:49 AM): ok no problem
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:11:40 AM): that is all Old Covenant stuff, we are now living in the NEW COVENANT, all that has been done away with. I am more interested in the NEW COVENANT.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:13:02 AM): what did Jesus say regarding the law of Moses, do u know?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:13:37 AM): All the OLD COVENANT is, it is all symbolic, and shadow of things to come. The old Covenant on;y points to JESUS CHRIST.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:14:04 AM): by the way, God reply to Moses, I will blot out those who sin agianst me, therefore God doesnt blot out his servant for the sin of his people.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:14:30 AM): look at Matthew 5:17-20
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:14:42 AM): what does it say, this is from the NT
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:15:02 AM): I believe GOD, sometimes say's things in ANger, back inthe old covenant.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:15:52 AM): But, god repented, god was going to wipe out the People, did He not?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:17:47 AM): if u read in ezikel, God said that if one turn form all wickdeness and does what is right and lawful, He shall surely live and not die, meaning spritually, so God forgive the people who turn to him because He is most merciful and most compassionate.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:17:50 AM): He is the FULFILMENT,
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:19:27 AM): what did Jesus say to a person when he was asked, how one can enter into ethernal life, what was Jesus response?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:20:24 AM): His response was, "you must be born again."
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:21:02 AM): anyway, he didnt say that, his response was follow the law and the commandment
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:23:32 AM): if u read in Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus said "17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:26:19 AM): abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED, <<< that is the key, right here, UNTIL ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:27:00 AM): Everything is accomplished in JESUS CHRIST< HALLILUJAH
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:27:12 AM): yes Jesus didnt come to destory it but to fulfil and to accomplish what was forgotten
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:28:14 AM): becasue the jews were so far away from the commandment, they dont practise what they teach, Jesus come to teach and trying to bring them back agian to the path
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:28:32 AM): Yes
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:29:27 AM): if u read verse 20 he said if ur rigtheouness doesnt surpasses that of the pharisees, u will not enter the kingdom of heaven
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:30:21 AM): Man, inherently is prone to Sin, and God understands that. So God has also thought of that, he said I will be IN THEM, When we recive JESUS into our hearts God also is with us IN SIDE of us.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:31:06 AM): When we invite Jesus in, Go dhelps us OBEY God, that way.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:31:29 AM): Sin, has no more power over us.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:33:03 AM): if u ask God sincerely to forgive you from your sin and turn away from the sin and does what is right and lawful, God will forgive you, He is the most merciful and compassionte and loving one.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:33:05 AM): That's why God had to do away with the OLD COVENANT, because it wasn't perfect.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:34:23 AM): the law of God is perfect and i know u agree to this
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:38:23 AM): Absolutely, only if you are born again, after recieving Jesus into your heart, inviting Jesus to come into your heart nad asking Jesus to forgive you of your sin's, Romans 10;9-10 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:39:01 AM): You must be BORN AGAIN, God commands all man, now
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:40:58 AM): Jesus was missions were for short time, it was for few years, He said before gone up, "I have many thing to say unto you but ye cant bear them now, howbeit when the spirit of truth comes He will guide you into all truth and He will glorify me" so Jesus was refering to the last prophet of God, Mohammed
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:44:53 AM): If you say this prayer.....Dear Heavenly Father. I come to you, confessing that I have sinned and broken your laws . I am sorry for my sin, and believe that Jesus Christ came to earth to die for me and my sins. Please forgive me. I invite you Jesus to come into my heart, I give Jesus Christ the right to control of my life. Please help me to be what you want me to be. I thank you for saving me and accepting me and I pray this in Jesus name, amen.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:46:22 AM): The Holy Spirit is the spirit of Truth, mahamud wasn't a spirit, sorry. He was Man like us, and still has a grave on earth
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:47:29 AM): Jesus said He not angel. it is very clear and also the holy spirit didnt come and fulfil those prophecy, the only person who did that is Mohammed
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:47:56 AM): Yes, Mohammed is a man like us, so as Jesus and all other prophets.
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:48:34 AM): Jesus is resurrected, did He not?
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:49:07 AM): He rose from the dead, did He not?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:49:12 AM): Jesus is alive and didnt die in the 1st place
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:49:27 AM): says you
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:49:38 AM): God raised him up.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:50:23 AM): do u know how long it will take to kill a person by way of crucifixtion?
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:50:34 AM): it will take several days
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:52:08 AM): A centurion usually served as a executioner
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:52:40 AM): death by crucifixtion will take several days
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:53:02 AM): do u know that no Jews will be on the cross on sabbath, do u know
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:53:50 AM): would you like to be born again? say this prayer..................Dear Heavenly Father. I come to you, confessing that I have sinned and broken your laws . I am sorry for my sin, and believe that Jesus Christ came to earth to die for me and my sins. Please forgive me. I invite you Jesus to come into my heart, I give Jesus Christ the right to control of my life. Please help me to be what you want me to be. I thank you for saving me and accepting me and I pray this in Jesus name, amen.
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:54:07 AM): this is not what Jesus said
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:54:31 AM): It must be an audible orayer, you can't pray in your mind
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:54:44 AM): Jesus said love thy God with all thy heart
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:54:46 AM): It must be an audible prayer, you can't pray in your mind
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:55:13 AM): all thy mind
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:56:11 AM): you see we need to submit ourself to God only
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:56:32 AM): And you will be a Child of the living God, all your sins will be WIPED away. you will be born again. you will be accepted by God, because of Jesus's atonong sacrifice
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:56:57 AM): Atoning sacrifice
henokaddisu1 (1/17/2007 5:57:13 AM): God isnt in need of blood and flesh
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:57:32 AM): Did you say that Prayer
kingssheep199100 (1/17/2007 5:57:33 AM): ?
Do you have a job, or a family???--- because you are spending way too much time on this.
Arctic_Menace @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:57 pm
$1:
Did the Iroquois write that or was it written by the Jesuits?
Interestingly enough, both sides have a story about Jean de Brebeuf. The Iroqois did all the usual torture to him, adn were impressed at his resilience.
Obviously, the Jesuits glossed it over, but the version I submitted is the one most-agreeable for both sides.
stratos @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:55 pm
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
Did the Iroquois write that or was it written by the Jesuits?
Interestingly enough, both sides have a story about Jean de Brebeuf. The Iroqois did all the usual torture to him, adn were impressed at his resilience.
Obviously, the Jesuits glossed it over, but the version I submitted is the one most-agreeable for both sides.
Didn't they burn gun powder on his chest first. That killed his nerve endings and basically did not feel so much pain after that? Or am I thinking of another story?
westmanguy @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:43 am
Why I believe in God.
The way humans are designed, the conditions for earth to have life. The fact I have a mind, free choice, and this free spirit within me.
Atheism takes more faith in my opinion. To be an atheist you have to believe everything today came from some big bang (where did the matter come from) and we randomly came to this perfect setting to hold life, I mean being an atheist is a big leap of faith.
Its so much easier to put my faith in something greater, a God. Besides all the benefits of knowing I have a God, it just reinforces my belief when I consider "so the everything came from nothing that wasn't created and it randomly designed itself so perfectly to today..."
Sorry, we can bitch about evolution religion, etc. but when it comes down to a deity, it just makes sense.
icekarma2752 @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:03 am
well i do believe in god/christ but i do have a spirituality thats uniquely mine..as i dont believe in heaven and hell although i do believe in an afterlife..i dont believe god is omnipotent either..hes constrained by physical laws as well as a lot of other things i wont get into...but for whatever its worth you might want to ask yourself this question: what is better?..living your entire life pleasing god only to die and find out he never existed or living your life displeasing god only to die and find out he does exist
Blue_Nose @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:04 am
westmanguy westmanguy:
Atheism takes more faith in my opinion. To be an atheist you have to believe everything today came from some big bang (where did the matter come from) and we randomly came to this perfect setting to hold life, I mean being an atheist is a big leap of faith.
First of all, the "big bang" isn't a simple belief, it's based on scientific observation thata) the universe is expanding in all directions - this expansion had to have started somewhere.
b) background radiation throughout the universe is a remnant of the intense heat at the time of the big bang
among other things. Most rational theists don't have an issue with that, fortunately
westmanguy westmanguy:
Its so much easier to put my faith in something greater, a God. Besides all the benefits of knowing I have a God, it just reinforces my belief when I consider "so the everything came from nothing that wasn't created and it randomly designed itself so perfectly to today..."
Oh, so whatever is easier or has more benefits is correct? You've just very clearly expressed here that your belief in God serves to validate your own personal beliefs that your existance has some ultimate purpose - it's not based on any observable or logical reason.westmanguy westmanguy:
Sorry, we can bitch about evolution religion, etc. but when it comes down to a deity, it just makes sense.
Not for the rest of us that don't need that validation, it doesn't.
Wada @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:07 am
People believe in God because they have difficulty believing in Man.- Wada
adahen @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:26 am
I believe that we are "God "and create our own reality.The Church somehow made us believe that by doing this we were "evil "so they killed us when we did anything not understood or liked by the Powers.
The wanted us to "fear" and hence now we do which "stops" us from believing in our own selves
ShepherdsDog @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:02 am
Been listening to Deepak Chopra and the Moody Blues, haven't you?
ShepherdsDog @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:05 am
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
Did the Iroquois write that or was it written by the Jesuits?
Interestingly enough, both sides have a story about Jean de Brebeuf. The Iroqois did all the usual torture to him, adn were impressed at his resilience.
Obviously, the Jesuits glossed it over, but the version I submitted is the one most-agreeable for both sides.
He's most famous for the Huron Christmas Carol. I taught that to some university students last Christmas. They did a great job.
adahen @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:25 am
Watched "What the Bleep do we know" and read "Communication with God" and also read The Celestine Properties,Think Yourself Rich to name a few.It all makes sense to me... 
westmanguy @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:19 pm
Yes the Big Bang was originally accepted as a possiblity for God creating the earth by the Roman Catholic Church.
The theory could very well be true.
But this the questions for atheists: *MATTER*, how did everything come from nothing. So if I understand the Big Bang correctly as small amount of matter exploded into the ever-expanding universe.... (remember I accept the Big Bang as a possible creationist point of view), Where did the initial matter come from.
The initial matter could only have come a supreme deity.
As Albert Einstein so wisely wrote: "All beginnings must have beginners.".
I think the scientific community can go on about this for centuries, but their never going to find a way to rule out a God. Hey Science might one day (decades ahead in the future) have to recognize that the initial start must have been started by a greater force....what a victory for theists that would be.
believing in God makes for a lot of benefits in my life:
Never fearing death (of course I fear the pain, but then i know their is a eternal Heaven after)
Putting my pain and trials on somebody elses plate
Know I am never alone and always have a loving God watching over me no matter what life throws at me.
But besides all those great things, Science can't rule out a God.
Am I correct? Atheists can rant and rave all they want, but when it comes down to it they know "scientifically' God hasn't been ruled out.
Another flaw in atheism is they attack religion, the church, etc. The church can always be at fault, because they are run by humans that are not perfect, make mistakes, and sin.
Atheists diverge things by saying: "Oh religion has been so bad for our earth, its been nothing but bloodshed and intolerance and war and _________etc," But that doesn't disprove a God, that just bashes the humans's action who believe in God.
westmanguy @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:23 pm
Did I also mention that Christians give more to charity, we do more volunteering, and the Evangelicals were part of freeing the Blacks from slavery.
Christianity is a positive force in today's world.
My favourite quote: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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