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adahen @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:07 pm

The book "What the Bleep do we know" is based on quantum physics,which does not disprove God it proves God is alive and well in Each of us.

   



westmanguy @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:11 pm

adahen adahen:
The book "What the Bleep do we know" is based on quantum physics,which does not disprove God it proves God is alive and well in Each of us.


you mean new age crap where we are our own Gods?

Can you elaborate on that?

   



Blue_Nose @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:50 pm

westmanguy westmanguy:
Yes the Big Bang was originally accepted as a possiblity for God creating the earth by the Roman Catholic Church.

The theory could very well be true.
Acceptance by the church is the last thing scientific theories need to be accepted.

westmanguy westmanguy:
But this the questions for atheists: *MATTER*, how did everything come from nothing. So if I understand the Big Bang correctly as small amount of matter exploded into the ever-expanding universe.... (remember I accept the Big Bang as a possible creationist point of view), Where did the initial matter come from.

The initial matter could only have come a supreme deity.
If the universe needs a creator, why doesn't God need a creator? Conversely, if God didn't need to be created, why does the universe need to be?

westmanguy westmanguy:
As Albert Einstein so wisely wrote: "All beginnings must have beginners.".
When and where exactly did he write that? Stop making things up. Einstein did, however, write, ""From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist."

westmanguy westmanguy:
I think the scientific community can go on about this for centuries, but their never going to find a way to rule out a God. Hey Science might one day (decades ahead in the future) have to recognize that the initial start must have been started by a greater force....what a victory for theists that would be.
Pure speculation - you still have no prove to involve belief in God in any discussion of science.

westmanguy westmanguy:
believing in God makes for a lot of benefits in my life:
Again, WHO CARES? Benefits do not equate to truth - "ignorant bliss" is what you're describing.

westmanguy westmanguy:
Never fearing death (of course I fear the pain, but then i know their is a eternal Heaven after)
I have no reason to fear death myself. Since there's no real reason to believe in anything after death, I need only be concerned with the state in which I leave the world around me.

westmanguy westmanguy:
Putting my pain and trials on somebody elses plate
You're lazy and irresponsible, in other words.

westmanguy westmanguy:
Know I am never alone and always have a loving God watching over me no matter what life throws at me.
What is "life" doing throwing things at you if God's watching over you? What has he done to help anyone with what "life" has thrown at them?

westmanguy westmanguy:
But besides all those great things, Science can't rule out a God.


Am I correct? Atheists can rant and rave all they want, but when it comes down to it they know "scientifically' God hasn't been ruled out.
Purple unicorns that live in the clouds and planets made of nerf balls have been "scientifically ruled out", either - what's your point?

westmanguy westmanguy:
Another flaw in atheism is they attack religion, the church, etc. The church can always be at fault, because they are run by humans that are not perfect, make mistakes, and sin.

Atheists diverge things by saying: "Oh religion has been so bad for our earth, its been nothing but bloodshed and intolerance and war and _________etc," But that doesn't disprove a God, that just bashes the humans's action who believe in God.
Atheists attack human's actions because it's human actions that promote religion, not God. If God wants to straighten things out for us, he's free to do so, but he's evidently picked the wrong people to send his "message" - a few people from thousands of years ago get all the attention, while we just get a summary in a stupid book.

   



adahen @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:47 pm

westmanguy westmanguy:
adahen adahen:
The book "What the Bleep do we know" is based on quantum physics,which does not disprove God it proves God is alive and well in Each of us.


you mean new age crap where we are our own Gods?

Can you elaborate on that?


What the Bleep?" is an exploration of the deepest existential questions, the ones most of us ask, sooner or later. These questions include: Who are we? Where are we going? Why are we here? And, What is reality? Why do we keep creating the same reality? Why do we keep having the same relationships? Why do we keep getting the same jobs over and over again? And, how can we make our reality better?

Basically it states that we all have a "observer"in us which is what? A "Soul"a "God"what is the "observer "that makes us create our own reality.I believe we are all "evolving".We become" addicted" with feelings as a drug addict becomes addicted to drugs we only desire" familiar " feelings,we fear change. They deal with quantum physic as an example how one particle can be in two places at the same time or are you really here?Is it an" illusion "did you create your own world? Did you ever read the book The Da Vinci Code? I found it was the same logic,there is no "God" that is separate for you.We all have the power as Jesus had as he was just a human but a human who knew the powers within all of us.The Church had to have him killed as he was dangerous to their "Supreme" power over humankind.

   



stratos @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:08 pm

$1:
The Church had to have him killed as he was dangerous to their "Supreme" power over humankind.


Ummm what church are you speaking of?

   



adahen @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:18 pm

The Jewish people felt if other people knew about Jesus they wouldn't believe in "God" anymore Or most importantly Them.I shouldn't have said Church but to me all churches are the same.Roman Orthodox and synagogue or Anglican or United they may have different names and practices but they all desire the same thing complete submission

   



westmanguy @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:19 pm

Blue Nose, so your argument is if God created matter, than who created God?

Well, when we speak of a supreme deity, science doesn't apply to a supreme deity now does it?

Also your argument is weak, all the matter of today has to be created.

Are you saying, as an atheist, that all the matter just has always been and always will be?

Sort of sounds like God!!

   



WBenson @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:50 pm

As an atheist, I've never felt the urge to go around demanding/forcing proof from/on others. To be honest, I don't care what the people around me believe, as they are not me. So long as they don't try to recruit me to their faith or tell me I have to live my life a certain way because of what their faith tells me, religion is irrelevant in my life.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:53 pm

adahen adahen:
The Jewish people felt if other people knew about Jesus they wouldn't believe in "God" anymore Or most importantly Them.I shouldn't have said Church but to me all churches are the same.Roman Orthodox and synagogue or Anglican or United they may have different names and practices but they all desire the same thing complete submission


Umm.......All the first Christians were Jews, and there were other groups that challenged the authority of the Temple and the priests before Christ was born. The Essenes, for example.

   



themasta @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:53 pm

WBenson WBenson:
As an atheist, I've never felt the urge to go around demanding/forcing proof from/on others. To be honest, I don't care what the people around me believe, as they are not me. So long as they don't try to recruit me to their faith or tell me I have to live my life a certain way because of what their faith tells me, religion is irrelevant in my life.


The only thing I would append to this would be that atheists must be careful of the same thing. "Proselytizing Atheists" are just as bad as "Fundamentalist Christians/Muslims". It's something to keep in mind.

   



adahen @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:54 pm

I know nothing about religion so I was correct to begin with

   



WBenson @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:56 pm

themasta themasta:
WBenson WBenson:
As an atheist, I've never felt the urge to go around demanding/forcing proof from/on others. To be honest, I don't care what the people around me believe, as they are not me. So long as they don't try to recruit me to their faith or tell me I have to live my life a certain way because of what their faith tells me, religion is irrelevant in my life.


The only thing I would append to this would be that atheists must be careful of the same thing. "Proselytizing Atheists" are just as bad as "Fundamentalist Christians/Muslims". It's something to keep in mind.


I don't (or at least I try not to) proselytize. The fact is that I just don't give a shit about what the person next to me believes.

   



adahen @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:01 pm

I know enough about religion that it scares me to death,watched a movie called" Frailty" it is about a Father who heard God tell him to kill certain people because they were really Demons.In front of his two young children.God told him to kill.I do not believe I will go to Hell either,as it is fictional.Another great story to make us follow the road of the Rightenous.

   



canucker @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:07 pm

I think that if anything is going to destroy humankind it will be religion, not global warming or asteroids, or any other natural occurrence.

   



themasta @ Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:07 pm

adahen adahen:
I know enough about religion I should say that it scares me to death,watched a movie called" Frailty" it is about a Father who heard God tell him to kill certain people because they were really Demons.In front of his two young children.God told him to kill.I do not believe I will go to Hell either,as it is fictional.Another great story to make us follow the road of the Rightenous. Lol Freaky


:roll: Yeah, because that's an accurate depiction of religion. Religion is not the problem, people are. Religion says,"Love thy neighbour", yet how many so-called "religious" people actually do? If everyone truly practiced what they preached, religion could be a vehicle for positive change in the world.

   



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