Should America annex Canada? The unDead thread
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Doomsday @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:18 pm
Robair Robair:
Doomsday Doomsday:
Would it be ethically wrong for us to take over a country that, because of its proximity, should be ours anyway?
And here we see why Americans enjoy such a shining reputation world wide. You aren't doing your countrymen/country any favors here, doom.
I'm guessing you were beat up a lot in high school?
No I was not. Why are you resorting to a personal attack just because you don't like my opinion???
Doomsday @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:24 pm
AdamNF AdamNF:
Canada the the oposite of the USA is every way posible. We watc the same TV shows, listin to the same music, and talk and dress the same. That why the world thinks we are the same. But are political system, social stucture, and ideas/belifs are so ahead of time, to that the USA is so behind the times, so backwards compared to Canada and the rest of the world.
What's your point? Insulting the US just for the sake of insulting it?
It has nothing to do with the topic of this convo. If anything, by ponting out the growing differences between the countries, it makes one reconsider whether or not the US taking over Canada is a real possibility.
BTW -- I hope you're enjoying american TV and american movies.
Doomsday @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:25 pm
KaNaDiAn KaNaDiAn:
ROFL.. That is a dumbass question.. ever hear of Vietnam? Well, if the U.S decided to annex Canada.. well, it would be a situation way WORSE than Vietnam was for you.
Why does everyone always bring up viewnam???
The american war machine has improved a lot since than.
$1:
#1. The American poeple would not support a war of this nature.
That's true.
$1:
#2. Canadians(most) would fight tooth and nail.. guerrillla style.
Aside from the French, who would surrender.... almost ANY country would resort to those tactics. That doesn't mean it would work.
$1:
also, the rest of the planet would be supportive to us, NOT you. and the only way the U.S can win a global war is by annihilating itself in the process.. so its a lose/lose situation for them.. suicidal if you asked me.
How supportive are the rest of the planet when other countries are fighting everyday? What makes Canada so special? The US have been the worlds police, and one of the whines against this country is that we should mind our own business.
No-one would help Canada. You're sitting ducks.
Doomsday @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:37 pm
pillowyoureyes pillowyoureyes:
Doomsday, you think way too highly of your countries potential. For a start, I believe Canada is still part of the commonwealth, Britain's involvement alone in a fight against the US over the most unjustified war would... well it would almost be funny. You should give it a go, it would be the states undoing, could do the world a lot of good. <snipped the childish propaganda>
Britain would not risk a world war over Canada. End of story.
Doomsday @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:38 pm
Almighty1 Almighty1:
The states 3 million plus forces, which are already streched pretty thin pissing off people around the world, against a Nation of 30 plus million. Hmm I wonder the implications?
Don't be such as ass-clown. EVERY countries army is always out-numbered by the population of its citizens. Basically you're saying that the worlds greatest super power can't beat ... Canada... of all places!!
$1:
the movie "Blackhawk Down" is another. Based on a true story, but made up to the nines to make the U.S. forces look galant
The US suffered very limited casualities during that conflict, don't be such an ignorant fool
Doomsday @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:50 pm
drunken_prop drunken_prop:
GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT!
Your just as dumb as Bush! I think we should let them try. It would be interesting to see what would unfold. The US losing face us take over, declaring world peace and having the largest Beer and hockey party ever! By the way we would still burn down the white house... AGAIN!
LMAO
Your just as dumb as Bush! I think we should let them try. It would be interesting to see what would unfold. The US losing face us take over, declaring world peace and having the largest Beer and hockey party ever! By the way we would still burn down the white house... AGAIN!
LMAO
Silly child. You do realize the US could just drop a nuke on Toronto and take the whole place out in one shot?
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:18 pm
AdamNF AdamNF:
I agree that i would die fighting off a USA invasion. Britian would help us out and so would Germany and France, Austraila and Russia. Atfer the USA was pushed back into there country, we would then take DC and run up the Canadian flag, then hand over power to the UN so they could put in a provinsinal goverment. ah....we can dream cant we.
It would most likely be a stalemate if France, Germany, Austrailia, and Britian got involved. Do you think that Americans wouldn't die for their country and that they would let countries like Canada raise the flag at the whitehouse? I think you forget how blindly patriotic and superior Americans feel. Anyways, France and those other countries have social programs in and don't put in anywhere nere as much money as the US does in military. Canada, Germany, France, and austrailia have nowhere nere as much equipment as the US and it has even been said that if the European Union comes together, they will only match the USA economically and not in military because the US has been building up it's military for decades while those countries were still focusing on building up their economy.
Anyways, war is still stupid, but this whole war of 1812, burning down the whitehouse thing by Canadians is just overblown. It was the British who burnt down the whitehouse, and they still didn't even win that war, and they were the ones who started it at the sea. If the US had started the was, then you could say they lost, but the British started it, and if you remember we kicked their asses in the great lakes in a sea battle. Which is more sad, an empire losing to some colonies, or some colonies having their whitehouse burnt down by the most powerful nation? I think you people have a pretty distorted point of view of the war of 1812, and make it out to be something bigger than it was, because it barely makes dents in history books usually, unless you are a Canadian and want to make claims that you won a war which you didn't. Just because you burn down a building of some poor just starting out nation, doesn't mean you win. I repeat, the US kicked the British ass in the great lakes, so get the battles of this war straight.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:22 pm
KaNaDiAn KaNaDiAn:
ROFL.. That is a dumbass question.. ever hear of Vietnam? Well, if the U.S decided to annex Canada.. well, it would be a situation way WORSE than Vietnam was for you. #1. The American poeple would not support a war of this nature. Public Opinion would be at the lowest point of the low. #2. Canadians(most) would fight tooth and nail.. guerrillla style. You would be fighting people armed with modern weapons to pitchforks. #3. Dont forget there are a LOT of Canadians already down there within your borders, and there are a lot of 'Canadian Sympathizers' in your own country also.. ans also, the rest of the planet would be supportive to us, NOT you. and the only way the U.S can win a global war is by annihilating itself in the process.. so its a lose/lose situation for them.. suicidal if you asked me.
Hmm, lets look at some numbers on Vietnam:
The lowest casualty estimates, based on the now-renounced North Vietnamese statements, are around 1.5 million Vietnamese killed.
58,226 American soldiers also died in the war or are missing in action.
....I wonder what would happen if the US sent in around 10 million soldiers to Canada? Plus you could add in the new age equipment, such as heat imaging, and minus politics and just make it an all out war were civilians or anyone else is targeted, then I don't see how Canada would have much of a chance seeing as the US has around 70million people they can deploy or draft if they need to fight a war. This is all for the sake of debate though cause I think attacking Canada would indeed be stupid, but I still think the US would kick Canada's ass because they have more equipment and manpower.
Pokergod @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:23 pm
Yes, it would be "morally" wrong for the US to try and take over Canada. Its kind of a stupid question as its "morally" wrong for any country to invade another simply based on the fact that people will die and trying to take what isn't yours is theft on the most basic level. You may disagree as the US was founded on these very things and lives with them today like a bunch of jingoist buffoons. But then thats why the US is so unpopular with many of the worlds other nations.
Would it actually work? No. Why, because of the simple level of losses the US would suffer at the hands of defending forces would make it totally unfeasable and the level of revolt by the majority of the US populace would turn the entire country into a riot zone.
Britain would intervein, they have to as part of the Commonwealth help protect it against an unwarranted invasion.
On top of that Canada has a far better relationship with other major super powers such as Russia and China. All the pissed off people in the middle east would be more then happy to help out as well. The level of terrorist threat is already high enough in the states. Imagine if we were letting them in and supplying them in our borders just to send them to you guys. Have fun.
Sure the US could nuke Toronto off the face of the planet. But why the hell would they? Invaders don't use nukes, its makes it pointless to invade. Not to mention the proximity to the US border would make the nuclear fallout from said nuking unfeasable. You'd wipe out Toronto and then be sucking your own radiation clouds and pollution throughout the north eastern and north central states. Why is it that the US always loves to try and hide behind their nukes anyways, its not like they've got the balls to use them or the stupidity for that matter. They got away with it during WWII because that was the popular opinion in the world and with the allied forces. It also ended the war with Japan a hell of alot faster then it would have the normal way. You could argue that it was a good nuking at that time. But with todays political and social makeup the US would literaly be signing its own death warrent by nuking a peaceful and unprovoking country.
Incidentally, the comment about the US being Canada's babysitter should be reversed since its us cleaning things up when you screw up and putting the band-aids on your booboos. We put the smiling face and give you the political polish as your neighbor that keeps the world from being pissed off at you as much as they should. While we don't have nearly as much raw military force as the US we have much greater influence with some of the more hostile nations of the world. We even get along with North Korea where as the US is terrified of them getting nukes. Maybe because they know that Kim is nutty enough to use them on his neighbors and the US if they piss on his lawn.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:36 pm
Pokergod Pokergod:
Yes, it would be "morally" wrong for the US to try and take over Canada. Its kind of a stupid question as its "morally" wrong for any country to invade another simply based on the fact that people will die and trying to take what isn't yours is theft on the most basic level. You may disagree as the US was founded on these very things and lives with them today like a bunch of jingoist buffoons. But then thats why the US is so unpopular with many of the worlds other nations.
Would it actually work? No. Why, because of the simple level of losses the US would suffer at the hands of defending forces would make it totally unfeasable and the level of revolt by the majority of the US populace would turn the entire country into a riot zone.
Britain would intervein, they have to as part of the Commonwealth help protect it against an unwarranted invasion.
On top of that Canada has a far better relationship with other major super powers such as Russia and China. All the pissed off people in the middle east would be more then happy to help out as well. The level of terrorist threat is already high enough in the states. Imagine if we were letting them in and supplying them in our borders just to send them to you guys. Have fun.
Sure the US could nuke Toronto off the face of the planet. But why the hell would they? Invaders don't use nukes, its makes it pointless to invade. Not to mention the proximity to the US border would make the nuclear fallout from said nuking unfeasable. You'd wipe out Toronto and then be sucking your own radiation clouds and pollution throughout the north eastern and north central states. Why is it that the US always loves to try and hide behind their nukes anyways, its not like they've got the balls to use them or the stupidity for that matter. They got away with it during WWII because that was the popular opinion in the world and with the allied forces. It also ended the war with Japan a hell of alot faster then it would have the normal way. You could argue that it was a good nuking at that time. But with todays political and social makeup the US would literaly be signing its own death warrent by nuking a peaceful and unprovoking country.
Incidentally, the comment about the US being Canada's babysitter should be reversed since its us cleaning things up when you screw up and putting the band-aids on your booboos. We put the smiling face and give you the political polish as your neighbor that keeps the world from being pissed off at you as much as they should. While we don't have nearly as much raw military force as the US we have much greater influence with some of the more hostile nations of the world. We even get along with North Korea where as the US is terrified of them getting nukes. Maybe because they know that Kim is nutty enough to use them on his neighbors and the US if they piss on his lawn.
Would it actually work? No. Why, because of the simple level of losses the US would suffer at the hands of defending forces would make it totally unfeasable and the level of revolt by the majority of the US populace would turn the entire country into a riot zone.
Britain would intervein, they have to as part of the Commonwealth help protect it against an unwarranted invasion.
On top of that Canada has a far better relationship with other major super powers such as Russia and China. All the pissed off people in the middle east would be more then happy to help out as well. The level of terrorist threat is already high enough in the states. Imagine if we were letting them in and supplying them in our borders just to send them to you guys. Have fun.
Sure the US could nuke Toronto off the face of the planet. But why the hell would they? Invaders don't use nukes, its makes it pointless to invade. Not to mention the proximity to the US border would make the nuclear fallout from said nuking unfeasable. You'd wipe out Toronto and then be sucking your own radiation clouds and pollution throughout the north eastern and north central states. Why is it that the US always loves to try and hide behind their nukes anyways, its not like they've got the balls to use them or the stupidity for that matter. They got away with it during WWII because that was the popular opinion in the world and with the allied forces. It also ended the war with Japan a hell of alot faster then it would have the normal way. You could argue that it was a good nuking at that time. But with todays political and social makeup the US would literaly be signing its own death warrent by nuking a peaceful and unprovoking country.
Incidentally, the comment about the US being Canada's babysitter should be reversed since its us cleaning things up when you screw up and putting the band-aids on your booboos. We put the smiling face and give you the political polish as your neighbor that keeps the world from being pissed off at you as much as they should. While we don't have nearly as much raw military force as the US we have much greater influence with some of the more hostile nations of the world. We even get along with North Korea where as the US is terrified of them getting nukes. Maybe because they know that Kim is nutty enough to use them on his neighbors and the US if they piss on his lawn.
I strongly doubt China or Russia would ever help Canada against the US. Russia was good friends with North Korea in the Korean war, but never really much helped except for a couple pilots. The middle east wouldn't be of much help because I can't picture the US letting in foreigners from Canada, and if it was an all out war like World War 2, I don't see it being easy to have people just fly in from the middle east.
North Korea is terrified of the US, if you notice how much their borders are defended and how much they aren't willing to attack the US. I don't even see why you are bragging about being friends with North Korea, seeing as they would never help Canada out, their military is poorly equiped and has no oil, they are communist, and they have tons of prison camps in their country, and death camps. You sure do believe in human rights.
Canada is not the US's babysitter in the least. What problems has canada fixed for the US? We are neither of each others babysitters, and we are just mainly trading partners. Canada is a nation that doesn't get involved in really much of any of the US's overseas affairs, and just makes their opinion known, then does nothing. Canada doesn't have the power internationally to fix the US's problems and to babysit the US, so that comment was just ridiculous, no offense.
The US doesn't have the balls to US nukes? Go tell that to Japan. I actually think that if the US was faced with a losing situation, they would use nukes on their enemy. Look at how much the US has tested nukes, used them on other countries, and even uses uranium tipped missiles. What other country on this planet has used nukes? And yet you are claiming that the US doesn't have the balls, when it's the only country to use them. Sorry, but that is ridiculous also.
What matters is if this was an all out war between the US and Canada, or just a little conflict like Iraq. If this was an all-out-war, then you could say goodbye to politics and Canada would be screwed.
Lets just be hypothetical, and ask the question: do you think that Canada would beat the US in a war between the two countries, and maybe add Britian or France, minus the nukes, but given everything else the countries have, meaning all the equipment at present and all the manpower.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:45 pm
Pokergod Pokergod:
Yes, it would be "morally" wrong for the US to try and take over Canada. Its kind of a stupid question as its "morally" wrong for any country to invade another simply based on the fact that people will die and trying to take what isn't yours is theft on the most basic level. You may disagree as the US was founded on these very things and lives with them today like a bunch of jingoist buffoons. But then thats why the US is so unpopular with many of the worlds other nations.
Would it actually work? No. Why, because of the simple level of losses the US would suffer at the hands of defending forces would make it totally unfeasable and the level of revolt by the majority of the US populace would turn the entire country into a riot zone.
Britain would intervein, they have to as part of the Commonwealth help protect it against an unwarranted invasion.
On top of that Canada has a far better relationship with other major super powers such as Russia and China. All the pissed off people in the middle east would be more then happy to help out as well. The level of terrorist threat is already high enough in the states. Imagine if we were letting them in and supplying them in our borders just to send them to you guys. Have fun.
Sure the US could nuke Toronto off the face of the planet. But why the hell would they? Invaders don't use nukes, its makes it pointless to invade. Not to mention the proximity to the US border would make the nuclear fallout from said nuking unfeasable. You'd wipe out Toronto and then be sucking your own radiation clouds and pollution throughout the north eastern and north central states. Why is it that the US always loves to try and hide behind their nukes anyways, its not like they've got the balls to use them or the stupidity for that matter. They got away with it during WWII because that was the popular opinion in the world and with the allied forces. It also ended the war with Japan a hell of alot faster then it would have the normal way. You could argue that it was a good nuking at that time. But with todays political and social makeup the US would literaly be signing its own death warrent by nuking a peaceful and unprovoking country.
Incidentally, the comment about the US being Canada's babysitter should be reversed since its us cleaning things up when you screw up and putting the band-aids on your booboos. We put the smiling face and give you the political polish as your neighbor that keeps the world from being pissed off at you as much as they should. While we don't have nearly as much raw military force as the US we have much greater influence with some of the more hostile nations of the world. We even get along with North Korea where as the US is terrified of them getting nukes. Maybe because they know that Kim is nutty enough to use them on his neighbors and the US if they piss on his lawn.
Would it actually work? No. Why, because of the simple level of losses the US would suffer at the hands of defending forces would make it totally unfeasable and the level of revolt by the majority of the US populace would turn the entire country into a riot zone.
Britain would intervein, they have to as part of the Commonwealth help protect it against an unwarranted invasion.
On top of that Canada has a far better relationship with other major super powers such as Russia and China. All the pissed off people in the middle east would be more then happy to help out as well. The level of terrorist threat is already high enough in the states. Imagine if we were letting them in and supplying them in our borders just to send them to you guys. Have fun.
Sure the US could nuke Toronto off the face of the planet. But why the hell would they? Invaders don't use nukes, its makes it pointless to invade. Not to mention the proximity to the US border would make the nuclear fallout from said nuking unfeasable. You'd wipe out Toronto and then be sucking your own radiation clouds and pollution throughout the north eastern and north central states. Why is it that the US always loves to try and hide behind their nukes anyways, its not like they've got the balls to use them or the stupidity for that matter. They got away with it during WWII because that was the popular opinion in the world and with the allied forces. It also ended the war with Japan a hell of alot faster then it would have the normal way. You could argue that it was a good nuking at that time. But with todays political and social makeup the US would literaly be signing its own death warrent by nuking a peaceful and unprovoking country.
Incidentally, the comment about the US being Canada's babysitter should be reversed since its us cleaning things up when you screw up and putting the band-aids on your booboos. We put the smiling face and give you the political polish as your neighbor that keeps the world from being pissed off at you as much as they should. While we don't have nearly as much raw military force as the US we have much greater influence with some of the more hostile nations of the world. We even get along with North Korea where as the US is terrified of them getting nukes. Maybe because they know that Kim is nutty enough to use them on his neighbors and the US if they piss on his lawn.
I strongly doubt China or Russia would ever help Canada against the US. Russia was good friends with North Korea in the Korean war, but never really much helped except for a couple pilots. The middle east wouldn't be of much help because I can't picture the US letting in foreigners from Canada, and if it was an all out war like World War 2, I don't see it being easy to have people just fly in from the middle east.
North Korea is terrified of the US, if you notice how much their borders are defended and how much they aren't willing to attack the US. I don't even see why you are bragging about being friends with North Korea, seeing as they would never help Canada out, their military is poorly equiped and has no oil, they are communist, and they have tons of prison camps in their country, and death camps. You sure do believe in human rights.
Canada is not the US's babysitter in the least. What problems has canada fixed for the US? We are neither of each others babysitters, and we are just mainly trading partners. Canada is a nation that doesn't get involved in really much of any of the US's overseas affairs, and just makes their opinion known, then does nothing. Canada doesn't have the power internationally to fix the US's problems and to babysit the US, so that comment was just ridiculous, no offense.
The US doesn't have the balls to US nukes? Go tell that to Japan. I actually think that if the US was faced with a losing situation, they would use nukes on their enemy. Look at how much the US has tested nukes, used them on other countries, and even uses uranium tipped missiles. What other country on this planet has used nukes? And yet you are claiming that the US doesn't have the balls, when it's the only country to use them. Sorry, but that is ridiculous also.
What matters is if this was an all out war between the US and Canada, or just a little conflict like Iraq. If this was an all-out-war, then you could say goodbye to politics and Canada would be screwed.
Lets just be hypothetical, and ask the question: do you think that Canada would beat the US in a war between the two countries, and maybe add Britian or France, minus the nukes, but given everything else the countries have, meaning all the equipment at present and all the manpower.
One last thing has to be remember, and that is that the US is only having problems in Iraq because of suicide bombers, but alot of people in Iraq are muslim, and I would go as far to guess that the majority in Canada is either christian, or people that have some sort of feeling that there is an afterlife, and maybe that they believe killing themselve will send them to hell, so you would have a different situation from Iraq in Canada.
Rosco @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:05 pm
Militarily the U.S. would take over every significant urban center within a week with negliable casualties, even so this would destablize U.S. society far beyond anything they've seen before.
If even for some reason the U.S. public and the rest of the world was behind such an invasion it would still cause untold problem for the U.S. in terms of the amount of troops needed. They'd need to scrape up military assets from already stretched deployments worldwide just to make this work, even in the absence of any real resistance, just because of the distances involved and the sheer numbers of people that they'd have to control.
Doomsday @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:05 pm
OF COURSE it would be morally wrong for the US to invade Canada. And it would never happen. It was a hypothetical question. But instead of answering the question in a logical manner you scream, "bring it on! we'd kick your asses!" which is just plain silly.
The worlds greatest super-power losing to Canada? Can you say that with a straight face?
feeko @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:46 pm
We could do it w/ out firing a shot.....I would not be surprised if in the next 30 yrs ..with the war on terror.[ they are at war with the west people.keep your eye on the puck]....I bet it happens .I bet the english also may want to join us...as the EU ISNT GONNA LOOK OUT FOR THEM..AS WE WOULD..It would be better for y'all in the long run....[ i already consider canada the 51st state...]
pillowyoureyes @ Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:53 pm
Doomsday Doomsday:
<snipped the childish propaganda>
you mean the relevant stuff you can't respond to?
This is the stupidest discussion I've ever heard, do you honestly believe that the world would sit by and let you do that with absolutely no justification? You're a joke.
I'm pretty sure you'll find Britain will fight for any commonwealth country without a second thought, even if the people didn't want them to.
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