Should America annex Canada? The unDead thread
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Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:41 pm
Pokergod Pokergod:
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How does Canada control the US's oil and electricity? Canada get's electricity from the US also. IF you noticed, when the blackout happened, it was because of a power station in Ohio. Canada is just a part of the US powergrid, but you all don't supply us with all our power, it's a trade. Do you know how many power plants are in the US? Even Texas has it's own powergrid. You don't control most of the US's oil either. The US get's oil from alot of countries, and Canada can just be one of the ones that's included, but that doesn't mean you control it all. Yet again Canadians making themselves out to be the most important country in the world.
Let me put it this way, if BC alone were to shut off the water, power, and gas flow, the entire western half of the US would be in turmoil. California would be totally screwed for instance. If the whole country does it, you guys shut down except for emergency systems and certain government locals. Otherwise its blackout central. The reason that Canada blacked out along with the US is because our powergrids are so intertwined and some idiot beurecrat thinks its a good deal to buy power off the US for Ontario that we sold to them from BC. As for the oil, 68% of the US's oil comes from Canada, mostly from Alberta to be precise. Not the middle east or Texass, get your facts right. We certainly don't control it all, we just control enough to keep you in line. Why do you think there was a "military option" discussed over water talks years ago? Because the US knows if we turn off the tap, they're screwed long enough to throw the entire country into chaos.
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The US imports less from Canada than it exports to Canada.
Exports to Canada:
Canada 23.2%
Imports from Canada:
Canada 17.8%
Yet, the 17.8% makes up 2/3 of Canada's total exports.
Exports to Canada:
Canada 23.2%
Imports from Canada:
Canada 17.8%
Yet, the 17.8% makes up 2/3 of Canada's total exports.
This has been a common fact for years because the US exports finished good while we export raw material.
Now if that precious 23.2% of exports that goes to Canada just stops, well, that almost a full quarter of the US trade enconomy they just lost. Won't bother us any. We don't need Nike runners and Big Macs.
On top of that, how is 17.8% equal to 2/3? Did you finish math in school? 2/3 in percentage terms is 66.66(con't)%. Must be those voodoo economics that President Regan was talking about when he was around.
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The US could also get plenty of Gas and such if they started drilling in Alaska, but those natural idiots and Canadians oppose it.
Yes they could, but then the people who actually live there probably don't want a pristine winterland environment being turned into a toxic waste dump just as much of the American government doesn't.
One last thing, I would like some sources on thie 68% of oil, and I am still sticking with the fact that Canada needs the US just as much as the US needs canada economically, but I also want to say that if there was a war between the US and Canada, the US would win, and this is without Canada's allies.
AdamNF @ Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:06 pm
I thought it was 80%
AdamNF @ Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:17 pm
The USA imports 58% of its oil. Out of that, 80% is from canada.
The USA imports almost 2,000 barrels of oil a day from Canada. Canada is the largest exporter of oil to the USA..
AbeLincoln @ Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:21 pm
Maybe we're just using up everyone else's resources and keeping ours!
And as for you all being afraid of us, that's just completely ridiculous and really uncalled for paranoia! I know our president is a war hawk, but I truly believe that he has to be reminded that Canada exists on an hourly basis. And to be honest the majority of our country has not interest whatsoever.
Pokergod @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:24 am
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Why do you refer to it as keeping the US in line. Canada is not the US's boss, and the US does export raw materials....ever read the cia.gov world factbook?
Because the US government has a huge history of being dangerously aggressive and borderline warmongering when it comes to getting natural resources. Give them an inch and they'll try to force you to accept a mile after they've already taken it anyways.
And yes, I have read the world fact book and I know the US exports raw materials. Just not to Canada, we got raw materials coming out of butts to the fact that we don't know what to do with most of it. Incidentally I take everything the CIA has to say with a grain of salt.
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Also, if you cut off your exports to the US, Canada would not be any better off cause the US is one of the countries which actually has money to buy all that oil, which gives Canada money to build it's country on. This whole "keep the US in line" thing is just stupid because Canada and the US both benefit each other, and neither one is better or in control of the other.
Correct, Canada and the US both greatly benefit each other. Its nice to see people admit it.
There are other countries that will happily buy Canadian oil, however due to proximity the US is the best place to send it because its the cheapest as far as shipping and whatnot go. All about getting the best bang for the buck.
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You do know that California power problems were attributed to companies like enron who were purposely giving low amounts of energy in order to raise the price and so on.
Yes, mismanagment played a great part in that, but the fact still remains that places like California use far far more power then they produce, hence why they are one of the largest importers of Canadian produced electricity, water, and other natural resources that have gotten too screwed up from pollution or are simply not abundant enough to meet demand.
Rev_Blair @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:38 am
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And as for you all being afraid of us, that's just completely ridiculous and really uncalled for paranoia!
I don't think so, Abe. I refered to your current president and your corporations before. When I look at the trade barriers and tariffs that your country has imposed in the last couple of years, the damage that has been done by that, it seems pretty obvious that your country is dangerous to live beside.
When your ambassador to our country, Paul Cellucci, tries to tell us (not ask, tell) how to conduct ourselves on the international stage, criticises our attempts to reform drug laws, and how to rebuild our military, it looks very much like you are trying to take us over.
WarHawk @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:08 am
AbeLincoln AbeLincoln:
Maybe we're just using up everyone else's resources and keeping ours!
And as for you all being afraid of us, that's just completely ridiculous and really uncalled for paranoia! I know our president is a war hawk, but I truly believe that he has to be reminded that Canada exists on an hourly basis. And to be honest the majority of our country has not interest whatsoever.
And as for you all being afraid of us, that's just completely ridiculous and really uncalled for paranoia! I know our president is a war hawk, but I truly believe that he has to be reminded that Canada exists on an hourly basis. And to be honest the majority of our country has not interest whatsoever.
Hey! That's mean! Don't compare me to Bush!
Rev_Blair @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:16 am
That's what happens when you aren't careful enough choosing your name, War Hawk. I keep getting mistaken for Maggie Thatcher's bastard son.
WarHawk @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:39 pm
Meh, Ive been using this name for over 4 years.
Rev_Blair @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:45 pm
Me too...I got it just before the Millenium.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:14 pm
As much as you people can claim that Canada is keeping the US in line, you all know that if Canada did anything to try to screw over the US or if Canada started going out of control, the US would keep you all in line. Canada does have alot of natural resources, but you don't have the military or the population to tell the US what to do internationally.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:17 pm
AbeLincoln AbeLincoln:
Maybe we're just using up everyone else's resources and keeping ours!
And as for you all being afraid of us, that's just completely ridiculous and really uncalled for paranoia! I know our president is a war hawk, but I truly believe that he has to be reminded that Canada exists on an hourly basis. And to be honest the majority of our country has not interest whatsoever.
And as for you all being afraid of us, that's just completely ridiculous and really uncalled for paranoia! I know our president is a war hawk, but I truly believe that he has to be reminded that Canada exists on an hourly basis. And to be honest the majority of our country has not interest whatsoever.
Exactly what im saying haha. Why in the hell would Canada be scared of the US, everyone knows the US just picks on third world countries, and the US is good friends with Canada and Britian, even if they have little arguements. I mean come on people, most of our countries were founded by the people of the same culture.
Rev_Blair @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:35 pm
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As much as you people can claim that Canada is keeping the US in line, you all know that if Canada did anything to try to screw over the US or if Canada started going out of control, the US would keep you all in line. Canada does have alot of natural resources, but you don't have the military or the population to tell the US what to do internationally.
No, but when you go against the wishes of the international community you are abusing your position of power. The United States does not have the right to act unilaterally outside of its own borders, it does not have the right to defy the UN, and it does not have the right to dictate domestic policy to other countries.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:35 pm
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
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As much as you people can claim that Canada is keeping the US in line, you all know that if Canada did anything to try to screw over the US or if Canada started going out of control, the US would keep you all in line. Canada does have alot of natural resources, but you don't have the military or the population to tell the US what to do internationally.
No, but when you go against the wishes of the international community you are abusing your position of power. The United States does not have the right to act unilaterally outside of its own borders, it does not have the right to defy the UN, and it does not have the right to dictate domestic policy to other countries.
It doesn't have the right, but it does, thus proving my point that Canada does not keep the US in line.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:40 pm
Pokergod Pokergod:
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Why do you refer to it as keeping the US in line. Canada is not the US's boss, and the US does export raw materials....ever read the cia.gov world factbook?
Because the US government has a huge history of being dangerously aggressive and borderline warmongering when it comes to getting natural resources. Give them an inch and they'll try to force you to accept a mile after they've already taken it anyways.
And yes, I have read the world fact book and I know the US exports raw materials. Just not to Canada, we got raw materials coming out of butts to the fact that we don't know what to do with most of it. Incidentally I take everything the CIA has to say with a grain of salt.
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Also, if you cut off your exports to the US, Canada would not be any better off cause the US is one of the countries which actually has money to buy all that oil, which gives Canada money to build it's country on. This whole "keep the US in line" thing is just stupid because Canada and the US both benefit each other, and neither one is better or in control of the other.
Correct, Canada and the US both greatly benefit each other. Its nice to see people admit it.
There are other countries that will happily buy Canadian oil, however due to proximity the US is the best place to send it because its the cheapest as far as shipping and whatnot go. All about getting the best bang for the buck.
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You do know that California power problems were attributed to companies like enron who were purposely giving low amounts of energy in order to raise the price and so on.
Yes, mismanagment played a great part in that, but the fact still remains that places like California use far far more power then they produce, hence why they are one of the largest importers of Canadian produced electricity, water, and other natural resources that have gotten too screwed up from pollution or are simply not abundant enough to meet demand.
I don't think it's that you don't believe what the cia says because of their history, you just don't believe it probably because it's American and any American shouldn't be trusted. I find the cia factbook to look pretty correct, I mean it doesn't talk about the US as being a country without problems and doesn't come off as propaganda to me. You can take it with a grain of salt, but I don't see what's so unbelievable about it. You take the population number with a grain of salt? The military numbers with a grain of salt? It all seems like reasonable numbers to me. Once Canada's population get's higher, and if it ever reaches the US's population, just wait and see how great Canada will be then.
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