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Well...there's Chile in 1972, Johnny...that other 9-11. Allende was elected but the US didn't like him so the CIA installed Pinochet. That isn't an isolated incident, just an example. It happened when the US had another super-power to compete with too.

You might want to re-read what I wrote though, Johnny. I know you did the old cut and paste, but I'm not sure you caught the end of it,

I'm not the least bit concerned about Abe or Feeko backing an invasion...as I've said elsewhere, the American people wouldn't be very happy with that. I am concerned about the politicians, especially the Republicans, that have populated the White House for most of my life though. I am very concerned about large American business that insists that democracy and capitalism are one and the same and the political influence those businesses wield.

   

Come on! They have hated you guys for years. The USA and Russia/China have never played nice. I think they would love the opurtunity to take a hit on the god old US of A.

The Cold War, Spy planes over China, there is alot of mistrust between you and them. I'm saying that the like us better but they have more reason to act on you than us.

   

Hasnt been able to defeat iraq....man give me what you are smoking

we controll the whole damm country....we could do what the germans did and just start rounding people up and shooting em, say 100-1000 for every american killed ....but we're not like that...get a grip



ANd I tell ya we would never invade you cold ass country....but if we did it would be over in a month...cause you military is pathertic for the rehtoric on this board...texas alone could whip ya...so get off it....I'm sure my govt has a few secerts up the sleeve no one knows about ...


I f they would just let the damm generals do what they want it would be alot quicker...but everythings political

   

The U.S. has vast power and influence but all this inflated talk of a "hyper power" is getting to some people's heads, the U.S. may have been a hyper power in 1945-55 when it had 50% of the world's GDP and industrial might plus a huge nuclear weapons advantage but today it's advantages are not so nearly pronounced.

I'd also say the U.S. military is great only because of the sheer resources but into it, if everybody had a such an expensive military machine then you wouldn't hear much about the U.S. military.

The Soviet Union was able to field a more powerful military with roughly the same defence budget, they're gone now but the U.S. will be too it if keeps military spending at the level that it is.

   

That's probably the biggest single factor, economics. If the US were to attack us, their economy would be shut down overnight. Imagine...we control most of their oil and electricity. A lot of their raw materials come from Canada. Now think what would happen when the rest of the world decided to back Canada.

That huge military would be stranded without resources. They'd look like Napoleon heading back Russia as they walked back to the 49th.

The biggest economy the world has ever seen exists at the whim of those who own it. It will be gone one day...you can't live on other people's money forever. If they were to attack Canada or one of the western European nations, they would be done pretty damned quick.

   

Russia also never liked Britian or the countries which were democracies. What I was saying is that China and Russia would not get involved either way because they throughout history have usually only been concerned about themselves. Why is Russia going to give lifes for Canada and make something into a world war? Russia and Canada aren't that good of friends for them to give their lifes for Canadians. Russia and China are countries that have always been concerned about themselves. If the US attacked Canada and it had nothing to do with Russia, Russia might not like it, but I strongly doubt they will have the money and resources to get involved anyways. Russia didn't believe in the US attacking Iraq, and even had oil contracts with them, yet they did nothing. What makes you think a country like Russia who doesn't even really trade or have anything to do with Canada, will suddenly come to the rescue and give their lifes for it?

   

Umm...could be because we help to feed Russia, Johnny. Always have. They are a trade partner. We've also always served as a go-between with the western world, especially the US, and Eastern Europe.

I know it's fashionable to try to paint Canada as a nothing country. That is not really the case though. We are respected for the things we've done, the things we continue to do, and our position of fairness in the world. It's called being a middle power. We're good at it and it gives us certain advantages.

   

The US also trades with Russia, so I don't see what your point it. Are you trying to say that Canada is more important than the US? The US has tons of natural resources, but we trade with Canada because we have 300 million people and since we trade it helps keep our natural resources level and not get used up so fast. We don't trade with Canada because we are a completely barren country which doesn't do anything for anyone. We also give food to Russia, and we even helped them out alot during world war 2 as far as supplies go. Canada was on the US's side during the cold war, and just recently Russia has played a pretty neutral stance in world politics. I just can't see Russia jumping to help Canada really fast.

How can you claim a position of fairness, when most of you I talk to are so obviously anti-american....how is that fairness? Just like you talk about how important Canada is, the US is also very important, and if you noticed, when the US economy starts to hurt, or if it falls, there goes 2/3 of the money from canada's exports.

Just as much as Canada is needed to the US, I think you Canadians should also look at how much you benefit from the US/Canada relationship.

All that settled, without allies Canada would be crushed by the US, and I still think with allies France and Britian you would still be crushed.

I've heard people talk about the dominance of the US military is be the wayside because countries have come to be developed aroudn the world and the US isn't a hyperpower anymore, but yet the US has had 50 years of military build-up, why nations like France and Canada spend all their money on social programs.

   

How does Canada control the US's oil and electricity? Canada get's electricity from the US also. IF you noticed, when the blackout happened, it was because of a power station in Ohio. Canada is just a part of the US powergrid, but you all don't supply us with all our power, it's a trade. Do you know how many power plants are in the US? Even Texas has it's own powergrid. You don't control most of the US's oil either. The US get's oil from alot of countries, and Canada can just be one of the ones that's included, but that doesn't mean you control it all. Yet again Canadians making themselves out to be the most important country in the world.

   

The US imports less from Canada than it exports to Canada.

Exports to Canada:
Canada 23.2%

Imports from Canada:
Canada 17.8%

Yet, the 17.8% makes up 2/3 of Canada's total exports.

   

The US could also get plenty of Gas and such if they started drilling in Alaska, but those natural idiots and Canadians oppose it.

   

Yeah, Whatever Johnny. How come you say you are from Thunder Bay yet refer to the US as "we?"

   

Let me put it this way, if BC alone were to shut off the water, power, and gas flow, the entire western half of the US would be in turmoil. California would be totally screwed for instance. If the whole country does it, you guys shut down except for emergency systems and certain government locals. Otherwise its blackout central. The reason that Canada blacked out along with the US is because our powergrids are so intertwined and some idiot beurecrat thinks its a good deal to buy power off the US for Ontario that we sold to them from BC. As for the oil, 68% of the US's oil comes from Canada, mostly from Alberta to be precise. Not the middle east or Texass, get your facts right. We certainly don't control it all, we just control enough to keep you in line. Why do you think there was a "military option" discussed over water talks years ago? Because the US knows if we turn off the tap, they're screwed long enough to throw the entire country into chaos.


This has been a common fact for years because the US exports finished good while we export raw material.
Now if that precious 23.2% of exports that goes to Canada just stops, well, that almost a full quarter of the US trade enconomy they just lost. Won't bother us any. We don't need Nike runners and Big Macs.
On top of that, how is 17.8% equal to 2/3? Did you finish math in school? 2/3 in percentage terms is 66.66(con't)%. Must be those voodoo economics that President Regan was talking about when he was around.


Yes they could, but then the people who actually live there probably don't want a pristine winterland environment being turned into a toxic waste dump just as much of the American government doesn't.

   

Why do you refer to it as keeping the US in line. Canada is not the US's boss, and the US does export raw materials....ever read the cia.gov world factbook?

   

Also, if you cut off your exports to the US, Canada would not be any better off cause the US is one of the countries which actually has money to buy all that oil, which gives Canada money to build it's country on. This whole "keep the US in line" thing is just stupid because Canada and the US both benefit each other, and neither one is better or in control of the other. You do know that California power problems were attributed to companies like enron who were purposely giving low amounts of energy in order to raise the price and so on.

   

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