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Regina @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:08 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Regina Regina:
Hardly surprising since majority of law enforcement in the US is made up of ex-military. Seems a requirement to get the job these days. Out of hundreds on any given shift in Pinellas County, there are only 2 or 3 on the job who have never served. Not hard to see what the "gang" thinks is normal.
The ratio of veterans in a department varies wildly. Some departments, like you saw, are almost all veterans. Others, as is common in much of the midwest, may have none at all. The big cities these days tend to not have as many veterans because they favor AJ graduates from liberal colleges and those folks generally do not have military experience.
The agency I was a reservist with generally did not hire veterans who did not have a military police specialty. And it's a scant minority who had MP specialties.
The trend of the past twenty years is not favorable to military veterans getting hired as law enforcement. A diagnosis of PTSD in your jacket or a medical discharge anymore are a deal killer for applicants. This is part of why a lot of guys who need PTSD treatment are avoiding it is because they're being subjected to an effective persecution if they get a PTSD diagnosis.
My friend Chris, for instance, went to the VA at Travis AFB and they diagnosed him as PTSD. About a month later he got a letter from the US Department of Justice telling him he had to remove all of his firearms from his possession for the next five years. This is a dual punishment for Chris because shooting was his outlet for stress because it required him to get his Zen on. Now he drinks.
The more liberal cities tend to avoid veterans because we run Republican, conservative, and pro-gun rights where the politicians in those municipalities do not. It's usually the polar opposite with sheriff's departments where vets are welcomed.
IMHO it is also no coincidence that it's the agencies with fewer veterans who have the biggest problems with excessive force. The gearheads who love looking like soldiers and playing like soldiers don't have the discipline that goes along with it.
I have to go or I'd keep on writing on this.
Not sure how you can politically brand this and yet you do. According to your logic then, Pinellas is in a "left wing" state and goes against your statement claim. It also goes against what the people who work in that environment say. My friend who leads one of the Tac Teams in Pinellas and who trained with other units across your country says he's the exception and not the norm for having served. He had never served and is one of the 2 or 3 on any given shift that has not. Even his wife who currently holds higher rank than he is ex-military. He said it is nearly identical in all the other police forces across your country that he has trained with. This also goes for drug enforcement which what he did previous to Tac.
Guns and depression never go hand in hand. I think you are quite familiar with that outcome a few years back. I believe it was an ex-marine or Special Forces member that shot a few of his friends at a shooting range. He suffered from PTSD.
rickc @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:31 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
rickc rickc:
Too bad for him? I would say it is too bad for humanity. When an unarmed man (who never threw a punch or kick) can be choked to death by a government official for the crime of selling untaxed cigarettes, well that is a pretty sad state of affairs for mankind. The officer used a banned chokehold, that is the part that you seem to be leaving out. The man said he could not breathe eleven times. The cop just kept applying pressure with no regard for the mans life. After Mr. Garner quits moving, the police just stand around. They make no effort to revive Mr. Garner what so ever. What happened to protect and serve?
You can call the chokehold whatever you want, the bottom line is that it's LEGAL.
The first "I can't breathe" came AFTER the hold was released so your claim is false. He wasn't choked after he said that nor was he being choked at the time.
Had the man complied, and not resisted arrest, he'd still be alive. It's easy for you to say what you would or wouldn't do....but put yourself in the shoes of the officer dealing with a 400lb man that's resisting arrest and try to be the hero.
He put himself in this situation. His actions, his life of criminal activity and his obesity problems caused his death. Period.
I never said the chokehold was illegal, I said it was banned. It is banned. There is no law against me drinking on my job, yet it is banned. If I were to get caught drinking on the job I would be fired. You state that the man was resisting arrest. I have watched the video countless times. I do not recall hearing the officer stating: "you are under arrest, put your hands behind your back". I see Mr. Garner talking to the officers when all of a sudden he is attacked. He never had the chance to comply. He was never given a Lawful order that he was being arrested.
I get it, you are a law and order guy. I resect that. I really do. You want people held accountable for their actions. You do not want to hear how society made someone a scumbag, and we are all to blame. I agree with that. I do not want to coddle real criminals. I would love to see those assholes that were looting Ferguson do some hard time. I am of the opinion that looters should be shot. A few dead bodies in the streets of Ferguson would have been ok with me. What I do have a problem with is when a police departments primary objectives are to intimidate people and generate revenue. That is what is happening in NYC. NYPD is the largest police department in the us by far. NYPD has a police to citizen ratio of 4.18 per 1000. By contrast L.A. has a ratio of 2.6 per 1000 despite L.A. having a much larger crime rate than NYC. What does NYPD do with all that manpower? Lets take a look at the career of officer Pantaleo, the officer responsible for the death of Mr. Garner.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/face-broken-w ... yc-twitter
Officer Pantaleo has been an officer with the NYPD for seven years now. Of the 259 criminal court cases where officer Pantaleo was the arresting officer since 2007, 24 of those cases were felonies. 24 felony arrest over a period of 7 years. That is not even 3.5 felonies a year. This is New York City. You can witness 24 felonies on your way to work each day. You would be hard pressed to keep your job as a Mountie in the Northwest Territories with such a pathetic crime fighting record. Most desk sergeants have a higher felony arrest rate when they are off duty. Officer Pantaleo's sole purpose in life is to harass and intimidate minorities in their own neighborhoods. Almost all of his arrests have been bullshit arrests for weed possession, or trespassing. People trespassing on their own property like these people who are suing the city:
http://gothamist.com/2010/09/23/man_giv ... _out_i.php
I thought we did not arrest people for simple weed possession, isn't that what the anti legalization crowd sais? Officer Pantaleo has made a career out of arresting people for simple weed possession. How does officer Pantaleo know someone is in possession of weed? Why stop and frisk of course. What is his criteria for a stop? If you are not white you could find yourself in his crosshairs. Two thirds of his cases get thrown out for violating the Constitution, or pleaded down to disorderly conduct for the people who would rather pay a few hundred in extortion to the city rather than thousands to a lawyer. Even if your case does get dismissed, you have lost some time in jail, lost some money to a bondsman, and you understand your place in life. Next time you see officer Pantaleo you will scurry into your home like a good boy should. Officer Pantaleo's entire existence as a cop has been nothing more than a thug with a badge. He makes sure the pass laws do not get broken. But hey he earns lots of money for the city right? I am all for law and order. I am all for putting scumbags and lowlife criminals behind bars. I do not want to see people being harassed under the color of law just because their skin is the wrong color. I do not want to see anyone's Constitutional rights being violated because the police are to lazy to do their job the right way. I do not want to see police departments acting like they are an occupying force. I do not want my police departments ruining lives and killing people to help generate revenue for the state.I do not wish to live under martial law. I do not want to see my country erupt into a race war over this thugish bullshit. I do not want to see a man killed over a cigarette ever, for any reason.
OnTheIce @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:36 pm
rickc rickc:
I never said the chokehold was illegal, I said it was banned. It is banned. There is no law against me drinking on my job, yet it is banned. If I were to get caught drinking on the job I would be fired. You state that the man was resisting arrest. I have watched the video countless times. I do not recall hearing the officer stating: "you are under arrest, put your hands behind your back". I see Mr. Garner talking to the officers when all of a sudden he is attacked. He never had the chance to comply. He was never given a Lawful order that he was being arrested.
And if a guy used a banned chokehold, he should be punished internally. However, it's not a crime.
Of course you don't recall the officer saying anything...you don't see the start of the video and interaction or even hear what the officers asked. The grand jury has far more information than we do and made the call.
BartSimpson @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:09 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
And if a guy used a banned chokehold, he should be punished internally. However, it's not a crime.
Sure it is. I can think of lots of applicable crimes:
Criminal negligence resulting in death.
Abuse under color of authority.
Felony assault (as the cop was not authorized to use a chokehold).
...just to name a few.
OnTheIce @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:24 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
And if a guy used a banned chokehold, he should be punished internally. However, it's not a crime.
Sure it is. I can think of lots of applicable crimes:
Criminal negligence resulting in death.
Abuse under color of authority.
Felony assault (as the cop was not authorized to use a chokehold).
...just to name a few.
No, it's not. Period. End of story.
If it was a crime, it would be treated as such.
That manoeuvre is one that's taught at that academy. I guess they'll take a health test prior to any takedown and ask themselves "is this guy fat enough to stroke out on us".
Or let's just let criminals go when they say "leave me alone". Let's give them a hug.
Jabberwalker @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:26 pm
Or let's just let criminals go when they say "leave me alone". Let's give them a hug.
Yup. There should be no quarter for those dangerous criminals selling contraband smokes. You let them get away with that and the next thing you know, they're acting like NY bankers (shudder).
BartSimpson @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:31 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
No, it's not. Period. End of story.
If it was a crime, it would be treated as such.
That manoeuvre is one that's taught at that academy. I guess they'll take a health test prior to any takedown and ask themselves "is this guy fat enough to stroke out on us".
Or let's just let criminals go when they say "leave me alone". Let's give them a hug.
If it was a crime, it would be treated as such.
That manoeuvre is one that's taught at that academy. I guess they'll take a health test prior to any takedown and ask themselves "is this guy fat enough to stroke out on us".
Or let's just let criminals go when they say "leave me alone". Let's give them a hug.
Not every infraction requires an intervention past telling someone to knock it the f*** off. Unless you're a masochist cop who just f'n LOVES writing reports.
BartSimpson @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:33 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
Or let's just let criminals go when they say "leave me alone". Let's give them a hug.
Yup. There should be no quarter for those dangerous criminals selling contraband smokes. You let them get away with than and the next thing you know, they're acting like NY bankers (shudder).
Yup. There should be no quarter for those dangerous criminals selling contraband smokes. You let them get away with than and the next thing you know, they're acting like NY bankers (shudder).
Amen.
OnTheIce @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:14 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
Or let's just let criminals go when they say "leave me alone". Let's give them a hug.
Yup. There should be no quarter for those dangerous criminals selling contraband smokes. You let them get away with that and the next thing you know, they're acting like NY bankers (shudder).
Yup. There should be no quarter for those dangerous criminals selling contraband smokes. You let them get away with that and the next thing you know, they're acting like NY bankers (shudder).
Yep, just give'em a pass. Hug a thug. "Have a nice day".
"I know the store owners have been complaining and you've been charged multiple times for this same crime....and you're on probation. So here's a little ticket for ya. Have a good day."
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Not every infraction requires an intervention past telling someone to knock it the f*** off. Unless you're a masochist cop who just f'n LOVES writing reports.
Again, how many times does this guy get charged for doing the same crime? Do you get a pass once you hit the 10-20-30 mark? Just a smile and a friendly ticket for a known criminal?
Jabberwalker @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:41 pm
No, jump him with a bunch of cops, instead. He sold tax free smokes! Interpol had him on their list!
Can't wait to see the police doing Taser practises on all those dangerous J-walkers.
OnTheIce @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:50 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
No, jump him with a bunch of cops, instead. He sold tax free smokes! Interpol had him on their list!
Can't wait to see the police doing Taser practises on all those dangerous J-walkers.
Can't wait to see the police doing Taser practises on all those dangerous J-walkers.
So you give him a pass?
Good for you.
Jabberwalker @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:11 pm
There is a huge gap between giving the guy a ticket for selling tax-free smokes (he's almost a baby killer, eh?) and a sustained multi-cop take-down of an unfit,overweight guy who probably couldn't harm a flea .... and choking him to death for his heinous crimes.
Truth is, the guy's dead because he was black.
Full stop.
I hope that you're not a cop. Your sense of proportion is seriously flawed.
OnTheIce @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:27 pm
Or maybe cause he's a career criminal, fat and unhealthy?
Nope. Just cause he's black.
Jabberwalker @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:30 pm
Ever get a speeding ticket, tough guy?
rickc @ Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:33 pm
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/texa ... chokehold/
Those police just can't get enough of those choke holds. In this link we have police in Corpus Christi TX. using a choke hold on an unarmed woman who was videotaping the police making an arrest in a parking lot for fighting. The fact that this woman was video taping the police outraged them so much that the police focused all their attention on her, basically forgetting why they were there in the first place. This incident happened back in August, but the video just went viral this week. The officer using the chokehold was allowed to resign rather than be prosecuted. I guess Corpus Christi does not want thousands of protesters flocking to their town. They wanted to nip it in the bud if you will.
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