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JESUS CHRIST NONREV, You cannot and will not be happy with anything that has to do with america will you? You and your ilk get pissed off about the United States going it alone in the world and creating empires and you use an example of Britain and her Empirical little lackies (Canada for example) doing the same thing at the beginning of WWII!! (I KNOW, I KNOW...In a whiney little voice the battle call "BUT THAT WAS DIFFERENT" floats up into the air from the sea of "NO WAR FOR OIL" signs at the peace protest. Get it through your head. As I have said before, we are not a big stick for the world to pull out of the closet when they need us. We are are own country and not a reserve of military might to be used by a bunch of spineless little shit heads who were to pathetic to respond to crisis before it became a major issue. I am refering to Europe in the early 1900s. Have you ever though that maybe just maybe we are getting sick of cleaning up everyone elses shit after the fact? Don't bitch about America not providing support in the beginnning of WWII....Canadian. You can laugh at ma all you want but you know who won the fucking war. We all do deep down inside so get over it. You have the nerve to bitch about the US not "supporting" you.....Fuck Off
IronMike

(the previous statement was made in a fit of passion so the spelling a puctuation may not be it best) [/quote]


You seem to have world war one and world war 2 mixes up, I can see how the less intellegent people might mix them up since they both start with "world" I mean wow the confusion! But ww2 was interly hitlers fault unlike ww1 which we could debate for years and not come to a solution.

   

I so agree with you Iron Mike, well said

   

Uh, they do teach them a huge crock of shit in school. The only thing more disturbing is what they don't teach them; the truth.

   

What is it you agree with, Becks? That the US leadership had some higher goal in illegally invading Iraq? Only if killing for cold, hard cash can be considered a higher goal.

   

Doesnt surprise me, for someone who thinks some kid with a crummy joint on a Friday night should be thrown in prison with murderers and rapists, have a criminal record for the rest of his life, and be unable to travel to the United States, even forty years later.

Man, you really are an Albortion, arent ya? Have you got a huge belt-buckle and an "I Love Stockwell" button, too?





btw, you might want to know Iron Mike went on to admit he kinda lost his cool there, and misunderstood my post and who made the quote. We got along fine after that.

(I wonder where he's been lately?)

   

UH nonrev. PUHLEEZE do not lump all Albertans with Becks. I've lived here all my life with the excepton of 8 years in BC. I can tell you some of us do not think that way.
A lot of people here though do get on my case because I believe in pro choice, adamently opposed to the death penalty. I am not a redneck. I personaly think Stockwell day is not good enought to clean my toilet.
Sometimes I think Becks just goads you guys into an argument.
I also have been wondering about Iron Mike wonder where he is. Anyways I am pretty much on the same wave length as you and Rev. Which I guess is an oddity here in Alberta.

   

I really hate politically correct euphemisms. A person should have control over what goes on in their own body, and that includes what is growing there.

Most people who say they are against the death penalty have an "except for" in there somewhere. Add all the except fors together and you have me. I think that it should not be applied to jay walkers, on the first offence. Otherwise, why are we putting nogoodniks up in luxury hotels while the working poor live in hovels? What are we saving these people for? They'll be no asset to society if and when they get out. If we had a huge shortage of lazy unskilled labour, ok, but we dont.

   

I always think that this concept of prisons being luxury hotels is hilarious. Getting anally raped, beaten within an inch of your life for a few smokes, and having every aspect of your life controlled by somebody else does not strike me as the kind of treatment most hotels give their guests.

   

There may be prisons like that. There are some that are pretty darned smooth though. I used to work for the Ministry of the Environment and we had to do some work on the one near Codrington, I forget the name of it now. I didn't see anybody looking too distressed there. They brought a few of them, with no guards, off the prison grounds to the pumphouse to help us unload salt and they didn't wait for the truck to come and get them to take them back to the prison in time for lunch.

   

Figfarmer, to a degree you are right. However, I suggest you ask for permission to walk into gp have the door closed behind you and say "goof". Should you leave alive, you'll understand that jails have a code of conduct that is not visible to a visitor. That causes inmates to have to be in control of every thing they say, and that they do. There's a code there that insists you not be "punked off" If you are unable, unwilling to protect you rep' from that you WILL end up being somebodies "bitch" You will end up hurt or dead.

What's not talked about by "pillars of society" is the stigma that is attached with doing time. Ex convicts are fully aware of it. It is very hard to reintergrate into society when all the stories you talk about hanging around the water coolers involve convictions, drugs, convicts, parole boards, parole officers and the appointments you have to keep.

   

It's funny...a guy I know did some time...about five years. He was in a native youth gang and got mixed up in the whole drugs and violence thing. I don't even know what he was convicted of...dealing coke likely. He works in the construction trades now. He's really good and fast.

He never talks about being in jail, he talks about how hard it was to get an apprenticeship when he got out and how difficult it is to find work because he's native and has a criminal record. Now that he runs his own business, it's a lot less of a factor, although he still loses work because of it.

His wife says he still has nightmares though...wakes up screaming. He got out of jail eight years ago. At first he was in with the really bad boys because he was one. As he was rehabilitated (that system does work) he was moved to lighter security places and got the training to begin learning a trade. He had to earn his way to the lighter security, show real progress.

   

Sorry blubs, youre right - that was a pretty broad brush I swung there.

Mea culpa.

   

It was called Warkworth. I know there are some strange customs etc. in prisons. That is why I have avoided them. I believe there is a saying to the effect of, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." That about covers it as far as I can see. If you're going to do something criminal be prepared for all those wonderful things.

   

GP=General population.

yeah, I guess if you can't do the time.......But what 18yr old or 19yr really thinks they have a future........what about those whose crime is sustenance driven. And boy, there's alot of that now.........

   

yup...cut the social programs back to nothing, make sure that the jobs don't pay worth a crap, and then lock 'em up when the cuts lead to problems.

   

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