Winnipeg police chief touts prayer to help combat crime
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PublicAnimalNo9 @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:17 pm
Brenda Brenda:
I wonder what people would say if this police chief was Muslim, and told everyone to pray to Allah?
Stop with the strawmen already. This is what he said.
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..he would like Winnipeggers of all faiths to pray for a better and safer city.
If a Muslim Police Chief said that, I'd still have no problem with it.
Xort @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:18 pm
Praying sure is easy to do, and it makes the people doing it feel like they are helping (when they aren't doing anything productive to help).
Why not just ask people to not commit so many crimes, seems like it would be about as helpful.
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Maybe this guy's replacement might have a police or law enforcement based idea to help reduce time. Which I will suggest might be the best line of thinking for a Chief of Police to be following.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:19 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:
Benn Benn:
One thing's for sure, the guy's got conviction and balls. Great things for a Police Chief.
I sure hope he has a backup plan when talking to an imaginary God doesn't clear up that crime.
Yeah, that's right. That's how he got the job cuz God did all the work for him. Grow up.
RUEZ @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:25 pm
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
RUEZ RUEZ:
Benn Benn:
One thing's for sure, the guy's got conviction and balls. Great things for a Police Chief.
I sure hope he has a backup plan when talking to an imaginary God doesn't clear up that crime.
Yeah, that's right. That's how he got the job cuz God did all the work for him. Grow up.
Right, I guess if growing up means I pray to Jebus to stop the crime, I'll pass.
Brenda @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:36 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Brenda Brenda:
I wonder what people would say if this police chief was Muslim, and told everyone to pray to Allah?
Stop with the strawmen already. This is what he said.
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..he would like Winnipeggers of all faiths to pray for a better and safer city.
If a Muslim Police Chief said that, I'd still have no problem with it.
Well, that went right over your head.
Zipperfish @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:21 am
I think it's bad judgment call, unless, for some reason, he needed to create a distraction.
First off, prayer doesn't reduce crime, so it's not really good advice. Second, and more importantly, early into his term he's made all about him.
Benn @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:30 am
The last police Chief did not reduce crime either, even after hiring 100's of new cops including family his family members.
OnTheIce @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:50 am
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"I think if we have a community that's consistently praying for one another, hopefully we'll now see the physical reduction of crime and violence in our city," Clunis, who is a Christian, told CBC News in an interview.
The guy is delusional.
andyt @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:03 am
Benn Benn:
The last police Chief did not reduce crime either, even after hiring 100's of new cops including family his family members.
So now we know two approaches that won't work. Next.
Nothing wrong with what he said as long as it's not a substitute for real police work. He didn't say pray to who - take your pick there. You have to be a pretty hard atheist to take offense. But, for a new police chief, it sounds kind of lame if this is the first thing he comes up with. And he could have worded it in a way that would not cause such a kerfuffle. Say people should show concern for their neighbors, reach out more, say. Certainly somebody who can inspire the community to be more cohesive would have great success. Takes a village to raise a child, takes a village to reduce bullying, takes a village to reduce crime. Takes more than prayer tho.
Brenda @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:15 am
andyt andyt:
You have to be a pretty hard atheist to take offense.
Nah, just "Atheist" will do.
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But, for a new police chief, it sounds kind of lame if this is the first thing he comes up with. And he could have worded it in a way that would not cause such a kerfuffle. Say people should show concern for their neighbors, reach out more, say. Certainly somebody who can inspire the community to be more cohesive would have great success. Takes a village to raise a child, takes a village to reduce bullying, takes a village to reduce crime. Takes more than prayer tho.
Which is exactly the point. What he said was "If you pray, you are good. If you don't, you are not, you are not taking care of your neighbours and you are not looking to create a better community."
What he did, was exclude people and calling the ones he excluded not good enough.
I am tired of religious people saying shit like that.
PluggyRug @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:18 am
Oh God, if there is a God, please help the soul's of these criminals, if they have a soul.
BartSimpson @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:31 am
Brenda Brenda:
I wonder what people would say if this police chief was Muslim, and told everyone to pray to Allah?
That'd be different. This fellow is just saying to pray. He didn't say to who.
Brenda @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:42 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Brenda Brenda:
I wonder what people would say if this police chief was Muslim, and told everyone to pray to Allah?
That'd be different. This fellow is just saying to pray. He didn't say to who.
To me, it is not different at all.
andyt @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:45 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Brenda Brenda:
I wonder what people would say if this police chief was Muslim, and told everyone to pray to Allah?
That'd be different. This fellow is just saying to pray. He didn't say to who.
I agree. But I'm not totally comfortable with it either. Pray implies praying to someone, as you say. So that leaves out the atheists and Buddhists and who knows who else. And we know how it goes in our society: "Oh, we're inclusive. We acknowledge Christians and Jews." Or Muslims if they're really tolerant. Not much thought given to other religions.
He could have voiced his idea in a more inclusive manner, that focused more on neighbors wishing each other well and maybe acting on that. Would piss less people off, and make it more about taking action instead of passively waiting for the guy in the sky to intercede. Supplicatory prayer, whether for a new car or healing your relatives cancer always seemed kinda cheesy to me. I mean God sets it up that the person gets cancer in the first place, and then you ask that that person be considered special and be healed, while many others die. What's special about Winnipeg that it deserves it's crime rate to go down? Lots of God fearing people praying? That sort of plays into Brenda's criticism that if it doesn't go down Winnipeggers aren't good people. And that whole old testament crap where people seek favor under the Lord,a and he does lots of smiting etc if they don't get it.
Strutz @ Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:49 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Brenda Brenda:
I wonder what people would say if this police chief was Muslim, and told everyone to pray to Allah?
That'd be different. This fellow is just saying to pray. He didn't say to who.
That's what I was about to say after reading through this thread. I think people hear "prayer" and automatically associate it with a Christian-based religion.
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Acting police Chief Devon Clunis says he would like Winnipeggers of all faiths to pray for a better and safer city, as he believes people often find inspiration in prayer to take action and help one another.
Prayer may not directly help in reducing crime but it also does no harm. There is nothing wrong with wishing (if that is easier to swallow than praying) for something positive.
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