Drug tests for welfare recipients.
Brenda @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:53 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
Brenda Brenda:
I am talking about welfare abuse, not about people who need it.
Welfare is a necessary evil and will be abused just like everything else is. We can only hope that the government agencies that look after it take steps to minimize the abuse as much as possible. In combatting the abuse though, there is always a threshold to how much taxpayer money you can spend combatting the abuse.
Maybe we could hire a welfare recipients at $60 000 a year plus full benefits to go out and collect the pee samples. We could then train other welfare recipients at $75 000 a year to test the pee samples and administrators at $100 000 per year.....
I was thinking more in the line of: you can get welfare for about 3 years or something, by that time you should have been able to find a job. Or a partner with a job
Ripcat Ripcat:
Brenda Brenda:
I am talking about welfare abuse, not about people who need it.
Welfare is a necessary evil and will be abused just like everything else is. We can only hope that the government agencies that look after it take steps to minimize the abuse as much as possible. In combatting the abuse though, there is always a threshold to how much taxpayer money you can spend combatting the abuse.
Maybe we could hire a welfare recipients at $60 000 a year plus full benefits to go out and collect the pee samples. We could then train other welfare recipients at $75 000 a year to test the pee samples and administrators at $100 000 per year.....

That is excellent!!!!
Brenda Brenda:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Brenda Brenda:
I am talking about welfare abuse, not about people who need it.
Welfare is a necessary evil and will be abused just like everything else is. We can only hope that the government agencies that look after it take steps to minimize the abuse as much as possible. In combatting the abuse though, there is always a threshold to how much taxpayer money you can spend combatting the abuse.
Maybe we could hire a welfare recipients at $60 000 a year plus full benefits to go out and collect the pee samples. We could then train other welfare recipients at $75 000 a year to test the pee samples and administrators at $100 000 per year.....

I was thinking more in the line of: you can get welfare for about 3 years or something, by that time you should have been able to find a job. Or a partner with a job

Good Call Brenda!!! Why didnt I think of a Sugar Daddy....I wouldnt have had to go to university....
Brenda @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:58 am
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
Brenda Brenda:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Brenda Brenda:
I am talking about welfare abuse, not about people who need it.
Welfare is a necessary evil and will be abused just like everything else is. We can only hope that the government agencies that look after it take steps to minimize the abuse as much as possible. In combatting the abuse though, there is always a threshold to how much taxpayer money you can spend combatting the abuse.
Maybe we could hire a welfare recipients at $60 000 a year plus full benefits to go out and collect the pee samples. We could then train other welfare recipients at $75 000 a year to test the pee samples and administrators at $100 000 per year.....

I was thinking more in the line of: you can get welfare for about 3 years or something, by that time you should have been able to find a job. Or a partner with a job

Good Call Brenda!!! Why didnt I think of a Sugar Daddy....I wouldnt have had to go to university....

You went to university to become THAT stupid?
(KIDDING!!!!!

)
Ripcat @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:03 am
Brenda Brenda:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Brenda Brenda:
I am talking about welfare abuse, not about people who need it.
Welfare is a necessary evil and will be abused just like everything else is. We can only hope that the government agencies that look after it take steps to minimize the abuse as much as possible. In combatting the abuse though, there is always a threshold to how much taxpayer money you can spend combatting the abuse.
Maybe we could hire a welfare recipients at $60 000 a year plus full benefits to go out and collect the pee samples. We could then train other welfare recipients at $75 000 a year to test the pee samples and administrators at $100 000 per year.....

I was thinking more in the line of: you can get welfare for about 3 years or something, by that time you should have been able to find a job. Or a partner with a job

But hold on!! We could let the private sector collect and test the pee samples. The owners could hire people at low wages with no benefits while pocketing huge profits!! Then we could let these rich owners abuse the system by over-charging us for substandard service while they send out agents to get more people signed up on welfare and increase their profits even further!!!!
Brenda @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:07 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
But hold on!! We could let the private sector collect and test the pee samples. The owners could hire people at low wages with no benefits while pocketing huge profits!! Then we could let these rich owners abuse the system by over-charging us for substandard service while they send out agents to get more people signed up on welfare and increase their profits even further!!!!
hey, if you let the private sector do it, there will be some competition, and with all the welfare recipients who are now employees for the same amount of money there will be no pee to collect, so they are getting unemployed.
Better have the government do it, at least then they will look like they are doing something usefull, because they will be civil servants, right?
kitty @ Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:07 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
Brenda Brenda:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Brenda Brenda:
I am talking about welfare abuse, not about people who need it.
Welfare is a necessary evil and will be abused just like everything else is. We can only hope that the government agencies that look after it take steps to minimize the abuse as much as possible. In combatting the abuse though, there is always a threshold to how much taxpayer money you can spend combatting the abuse.
Maybe we could hire a welfare recipients at $60 000 a year plus full benefits to go out and collect the pee samples. We could then train other welfare recipients at $75 000 a year to test the pee samples and administrators at $100 000 per year.....

I was thinking more in the line of: you can get welfare for about 3 years or something, by that time you should have been able to find a job. Or a partner with a job

But hold on!! We could let the private sector collect and test the pee samples. The owners could hire people at low wages with no benefits while pocketing huge profits!! Then we could let these rich owners abuse the system by over-charging us for substandard service while they send out agents to get more people signed up on welfare and increase their profits even further!!!!
Oh, i get it, this is a make work project!
Ripcat you should get in to politics... i would vote for you
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
Ok hows this sound.....Random drug testing for anyone who gets medical in Canada, and I include alcohol as a drug btw. Medical is a social program in Canada, why not that?
Anyone who thinks a single parent chooses to 'sit on their ass' and raise 'babies they cant afford' should give their heads a shake. Takes two to make a child and if a single parent gets a job at McDonald's, who will pay for the $800/mo daycare? The parents paycheque certainly wont. Many people have come off the roles and made big changes in their lives, with positive supportive people around them, but doesnt seem like many of you would be part of the positive supportive people. One for all Eh? must be a nice life never to have to ask for help.

newfette newfette:
but their employer pays for that not the tax payers...
I know I can't speak for everyone else... I would rather pay for someone to get clean rather then pay for someone's drug habits AND all their medical/dental needs that are a result of this drug habit..
I don't know since only approximately 15% of crack users are successfully rehabilitated, it's kind of a never ending story
Somewhere somebody had a brainwave and required welfare recipients to pick up their cheques personally rather than get them in the mail. Many went off the welfare rolls because they couldn't take time off from WORK to pick up their cheques.
2Cdo @ Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:31 am
lily lily:
And others were getting more than one cheque.
Most people collenting welfare are doing so because they NEED to, and I'm sure they'd rather be off, amking their own way in the world. Clear out the cheaters, but make sure you still offer help to those who need it.
Lily, I do agree
partially with your statement. There are some who need welfare due to an unforseen problem/development in their life but there is a substantial amount who use welfare as their JOB! Welfare should not be an indefinite handout like some use it(the 2nd, and 3rd generation types) but rather assistance to get over the bad times. Welfare could use some revamping to minimize the abuses and drug testing would be a good start. Maybe one "freebie" but a second positive test and the taps get turned off.
I can think of better things to spend money on. It would cost a lot of money to bring this sort of thing in (not to mention political capital). It isn't like you'd be catching the crackheads and junkies, becsue those drugs wash out of your system fairly quickly. You'd be catching the dope smokers. It's like, "Screw the homeless, I gotta know if Willy Welfare-bum is blowing a joint on the weekends."
Earning $7. an hour in a society that requires an average salary of approx $15. an hour per person in a couple relationship - there is more than just a dire need to be supplemented - it is a neccessity!!
Sure, there are those who screw the system, but then again, there are those who have risen out of poverty, angry at life and determined to never get screwed again, are the ones out there "screwing" everyone "cuz they aren't ever going back to the life they were raised in" - so .... if "life" was good for all and politicians weren't so greedy well, then life would be good - right.
There's nothing that pisses me off more than having to assist a mom who lives off of $5, bag sales at the thrift store so she can have something to wear at a dead end job, to meet a young 20 yr old social worker who had help going through college, who learned everything by the book, who thinks that getting drunk is being like a street person, never had a child, never been married, never done much of anything except share opinions - and is permitted to manipulate another person's life.
The Government has been trying to weed out the "takers" that abuse the system for 30 years!
Not everyone was born to a mom on crack turning tricks and not everyone was born into a loving family of two parents who cared - there are homeless people who at one point in their lives, had everything and lost it - lost their homes, their families and their will to live after such devestation and shame - When they were rolling, they had friends, connections, everytrhing another would envy and when the chips were down, they realize there is no one there for them - that alone is a devestating "fact" of life. I guess it's easy to point fingers and at such times, it gives reason and ryhme to the 10 commandments - everyone comes with a story and not everyone has the will or strength to deal with things - alone...
Education, empathy and understanding, don't cost a dime but sure go a lot further in life than negative critism, finger pointing and opinions.
Kinda like the song from Phil Collins - "just another day in paradise" or what's that other one? "Taxi driver has a PHD" - WE make life what it is and not everyone is fortunate......
Yeah I got off the merry-o round because I was tired of having some twit, of an accounts manager, at a bank, who had succeeded at coping with the system, telling ME how to run MY business. These twits had never met a payroll or put in 18 hour days to get a crop off before the snow flew......and they are demanding cash flows and inventories. Ask them what a 3 year rotation is and they tell you it is an extended line of credit.
HOCKEY PUCKS
Yogi @ Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:25 am
Welfare is supposed to be a 'hand-up, not a hand-out'! It should be treated as a paycheque by the recipient. Yes, random drug/alcohol testing should be mandatory.You fail the test, you are given the option of 30 day 'in-house treatment' or loss of income. ( As a taxpayer, I am 'their' employer. I do have a say!)
It is supposed to be used for ESSENTIALS of life. Not any of the luxuries such as booze, drugs, coffee,softdrinks, icecream, movie rentals,pizza,tobacco,cable tv, designer clothes etc. Essentials means just that. Absolutely no frills. And that includes pets.