Canada Kicks Ass
A European view of Canada vs. the USA

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Bonglord @ Mon Jan 17, 2005 4:58 pm

[quote] So, 45,000 x 10 = 450,000. So, if both countries had a population of 300,000,000, then Canada would have lost 450,000 men out of 300,000,000 but the US would have only lost 295,000 men out of 300,000,000.


How the hell does that figure out?????????

   



canadian1971 @ Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:16 pm

It's nice to see the Europeans getting behind us here...thanks G.B., Danke Ghost....now if you could just learn to play a decent game of hockey! lol...I dont think Canada is just like the U.S....I would agree that the people of the 2 countries are very similar...but the countries themselves, the governing bodies, and thier policies are not!...Hey mounty grl...did you know Mike Moore produced or directed the movie called "CANADIAN BACON"....funny as hell...Anybody from the U.K. or Europe anywhere, if you can find this movie watch it...you'll love it! Its full of Canadian actors and stupid Canadian humour. It will give you an idea of how different we are(U.S./Canda)...in a stupid funny way!

   



mountygrl @ Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:20 pm

Canadian bacon eh? sounds good...hehe :P

   



canadian1971 @ Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:30 pm

mountygrl...U WILL LOVE IT...When the O.P.P. pull over the Americans van covered with slang against Canada and they make them paint it on in French aswell because of the language laws! FUNNY...John Candy..Alan Alda...Ugene Levy..Rhea Pearlman...and a few more...Its just good stupid Canadian humor

   



mountygrl @ Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:58 pm

do you know if Mike Moore produced any other movies or documentaries about Canada or the US?

   



Gab @ Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:01 am

I dont agree with the original post that says that the european view of Canada is so bad. Im 19yo quebeker who past the 3 last months in West Europe (France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy and Spain). Several time Ive been speaking with peoples of around the globe, it was in october, before the american election. So in the youth hostel when there was an american around the discussion were going about the position we had toward bush or kerry. I have got to point that 90% of americans Ive met in Europe were voting for democrate, this is showing that those "open minded american" are different from those who stay inside. So if I was speaking with someone from Australia, of course he knew that Canada has a different point of view with the war. He knew that we were not supporting the US for Irak. Ive also met peoples who wanted to move in north america but choosed to go for Canada beacause of the open minded peoples.

In France, mostly beacause of the link with Quebec, peoples have more knowledge of the situation between Canada and US. They mostly hate US government and leaders. They dont realy make difference with Quebec and the rest of Canada... They probably didnt hear of the seperation things of 95. Wich is a good thing.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:22 pm

Please define open-minded. The thing about the US is that everyones point of view is heard. If 50% or more of the population believes that abortions are bad, then abortions become illegal. If 50% or more of the population believes that a war with another country is the right thing to do, then that is what happens. I'm not trying to say either point of view is right, but as far as democracy goes, if the population is for something, then that is what the government is expected to do. Now, this is not to say that the government doesn't/hasn't toyed with the population and made their opinion go a certain way. Also, in the US you will find a wide range of people who vote democrat in the US, considering that the election was only around 49% Kerry, and 51% Bush. Please tell me where you get off saying Americans in the US aren't open-minded? Tons of us are open minded, but not all of us think the same and there are those who could be ruled "closed-minded" but that is their opinion of the world and they are free to have it. Anyone who doesn't want to move to the US because they think the people are closed-minded has some serious problems. Also, it comes down to personal preference. I mean, you said you met people who choose to move to North America, but decided Canada because people of the US are "closed-minded" but what I see in that is it was just their personal preference, and obviously it just depended on the people you were meeting. I've seen recent specials on Tv which have said that Europeans and people from other countries are buying up tons of US real estate and the US has had huge problems with immigration. I find your post to be full of generalizations, especially for someone who has been around. My dad went to France and the UK last year and had people asking what the US was like and talking about visiting because of how low the dollar is compared to the euro, so obviously it's all who you talk to.

   



ChrissyP @ Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:34 pm

You talk about having the right to have opinions. Is Gab and the people that he met (forgive me if I got your gender wrong) not allowed to have their own opinions? Are people from other countries not allowed to NOT want to move to the US or to think that Americans are closed minded?? I have alot of family that want to move here to Canada from Europe. We have one or two family members living in the US but they prefer to move here. They have voiced their reasons for this to me. It has everything to do with their perception of the States and Americans. I think they have the right to their opinion just as you have to yours. BTW they have all said that they would like to visit the US (and many have) but they would not want to live there.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:33 pm

ChrissyP ChrissyP:
You talk about having the right to have opinions. Is Gab and the people that he met (forgive me if I got your gender wrong) not allowed to have their own opinions? Are people from other countries not allowed to NOT want to move to the US or to think that Americans are closed minded?? I have alot of family that want to move here to Canada from Europe. We have one or two family members living in the US but they prefer to move here. They have voiced their reasons for this to me. It has everything to do with their perception of the States and Americans. I think they have the right to their opinion just as you have to yours. BTW they have all said that they would like to visit the US (and many have) but they would not want to live there.


They do have a right to their opinion, but I have a right to say something about their opinion and his opinion, and he has a right to say something about mine. You are doing the same thing to me that I was doing to Gab, yet you are acting like I was doing something bad. Please save the drama for some place else. All I was doing is saying that he is generalizing on the American people, and that those peoples opinions are not entirely correct(thus the nature of an opinion). Sure, anyone has a right to live where they want, but I would hope it was for more reasons than "that country is close minded." Also, it could be said that most Europeans and people from ANY country wouldn't want to move in the first place(judging from who you talk to). You have to look at how many people he talked to, and how he came to his opinions. Face it, he made generalizations, and I decided to hold him accountable to his opinions because I had heard conflicting opinions. Oh, and BTW, who is they? You have talked to all these people? You're making generalizations and speaking for people you don't even know now.

Nowadays most immigrants coming to Canada come from Eastern European nations and the middle east/asia. Both the US and Canada accept immigrants every year, and to think that just because you talk to some Europeans who view the US in a certain way, that is how they all think, I think is a bad basis for an opinion on a matter, and I voiced my opinion on that. Hell, I'd like to live in a number of European countries and Canada, but that really doesn't mean shit cause I would still like living in the US. All countries offer their own special somethings, but for someone to not want to live in the US because of politics seems stupid to me. People have these exaggerated views that they are going to come into the US and people are going to be freaking carrying crosses around everywhere and preaching god, but take it from an American, NOT EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS. What do Europeans actually know about the US if they are claiming Americans are close-minded?....nothing.

   



canadian1971 @ Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:17 pm

Hey Johnny......I wouldnt say that the States are closed minded....but I would say that Canada is MORE open minded........just look at gay marriage! See what happens when you fuck with our hockey!! lol...heard some1 say that!!

   



ChrissyP @ Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:30 pm

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Oh, and BTW, who is they? You have talked to all these people? You're making generalizations and speaking for people you don't even know now.

Read more carefully. I was refering to my family and friends that are in the process of getting their papers in order to move here. I was not refering to the people that Gab was talking to.

   



ChrissyP @ Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:07 pm

Also it just seemed odd to me that here you are spouting about the freedom to have your opinions and in the same breath attack him for having his. Drama?? Is that your attempt at being sexist? You know you catch more flies with honey. Maybe if you want to change others opinions about Americans you should start at ground zero.

Back to the original topic. I find it so amusing when I hear that Canadians are anti-American. My goodness you should hear some Europeans talk! I was shocked! The most anti-American Canadian I have ever heard spout off sounds mildly annoyed in comparison.

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:01 am

canadian1971 canadian1971:
Hey Johnny......I wouldnt say that the States are closed minded....but I would say that Canada is MORE open minded........just look at gay marriage! See what happens when you fuck with our hockey!! lol...heard some1 say that!!


It's not that Canadians are more open-minded(think of the population ratio, there are probably the same amount of Americans that are open-minded as CAnadians), it's just in the US, there are presently more people for one political point of view than there is for another. I myself don't give a shit if gay people marry, pot's legalized, prostitution is legal, more money towards health care, etc. I just get offended when people accuse the Americans of being close-minded because TONS of us are open-minded, but there's 300 million people, and a good percentage could be categorized as "close-minded" but there's millions of people who don't care and are very open-minded(probably the same amount, if not more, of Canada's population :lol: no offense, but true). I get what you are saying, but Canada's open-mindness only matters if you are gay and like to smoke pot. For someone who doesn't do either of these, what would it matter? Why would someone who's not gay, care about moving to a country in which gay people aren't allowed to marry? Seems petty to me(not what you said, but the viewpoint of not moving somewhere because they don't allow gay people to marry or people to smoke pot, when you yourself don't do either).

   



Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:06 am

ChrissyP ChrissyP:
Also it just seemed odd to me that here you are spouting about the freedom to have your opinions and in the same breath attack him for having his. Drama?? Is that your attempt at being sexist? You know you catch more flies with honey. Maybe if you want to change others opinions about Americans you should start at ground zero.

Back to the original topic. I find it so amusing when I hear that Canadians are anti-American. My goodness you should hear some Europeans talk! I was shocked! The most anti-American Canadian I have ever heard spout off sounds mildly annoyed in comparison.


You have been attacking me for my opinions, so how about you stop being a hypocrite. First off, I never told him he wasn't allowed to have his opinion, so I don't see how I am cutting down anyones freedom to have an opinion. I merely stated that I find holes in his opinion(paraphrasing). I should be able to attack whoevers opinions I want. You are being dramatic because you are blowing up at me having an opinion(also calling me a sexist seems quite dramatic too). I didn't accuse anyone of being anti-american or anything, I was just trying to say that I find his opinions biased and that they are just opinions, and here you come talking down to me like I'm not allowed to attack someones opinion because I find it to be inaccurate. I don't see where I ever told him he wasn't allowed to have any opinion? Do you like making stuff up?

I might have read one line wrong from your post, but you have read ALL my post completely wrong and made accusations upon me which are false.

When I did a rebuttle of his opinion, I thought I did it in a much more tasteful and reasonable way then your accusations of me supposedly being against freedom to have ones opinions. If I told you that "all Canadians are basterds" and you rebuttled me on it, saying that's a generalization, and then I came back saying "oh, you say you're for freedom of speech, but look at you attacking my opinion" ...wouldn't you find that ridiculous?

   



mountygrl @ Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:42 pm

you know, it's funny because we hear all the time that foreigners would prefer to live in Canada than the US. heck, we even hear americans saying that. Now, of course some people would never want to move to Canada, that's just how it is. But if we hear about it all the time, it must mean something, right? Of course not all americans are close-minded. Not all canadians are open-minded for that matter, that would be unhuman of us. but i don't know about you guys, but there's like this era of fearness when it comes to the US and their politics, etc. alot of people just don't want to go there. Is it because of the media? (of course they play a HUGE role in giving americans a bad reputation.) but then when M. Moore presents his documentaries, how can we want to live in the US? The catchy part here is, how would canadians react if such documentaries were produced about Canada and its "secrets".....?

Do you think that alot of americans are scared just like Moore says? more than Canadians?

   



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