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Don't believe have the stuff Moore says. He's full of it. Yes, there are bad parts of the US, but I bet you I could go into some places of Canada where crime is high and paint Canada like it's a sick place. PLease, please, please don't believe Moores whole view of the US. While certain politics of the US could be deemed close-minded, all Americans are not living in fear, and the media blows things up. The problem is alot of people in other countries don't see the normal everyday American life, but they see murders etc. I've never known anyone who's been murdered, robbed, and whatever. Well, actually, I had a friend who had his Tv stolen once, but he was drug dealer and had to deal with alot of people. Overall, Moores viewpoint of America is often times greatly exaggerated to make Americans and the US look like an evil monster. While the government has policies that I certainly don't agree with, most Americans probably live just like Canadians. I don't leave my door locked during the day(except if I have to go somewhere -- my friend had a bad experience of coming home to little kids playing in his house), I don't live in fear of being killed, and I just plain don't live in fear and neither do any of my friends. Fact of the matter is that any Canadian, American, or European can die at any time of the day for any reason, so why live in fear? Do Americans a favor and visit the US, and you will see that Moores viewpoint is exaggerated and not what all of America is about. I say take a road trip from the New York to LA(if you have the money)and experience all of America, such as their landmarks, and the nice parts.

   

And I have the right to attack yours, Johnny. Remember that before spouting bs with your, what, 20? year old mind. So worldly, so knowing...LOL 20 years old and thinks he knows everything.

   

Hmm, I think you show'd that it doesn't matter how old you are, someone can still act very immature. Oh, and you didn't attack any of my opinions, you attacked me personally. Hey, you are free to your opinion, but don't act all arrogant and above me if you aren't going to attack what I have said, but my age. What do you know anyways? I'd like to know how I think I know everything? Obviously you must not have much to say if you have to resort to attacks on my age, not opinion. I'm sorry if your brain can't comprehend attack on opinion because of a difference of opinion, and attack against someone personally, because you aren't smart enough to come back with anything of real substance.

I know you and I might have had our differences in the past(I actually went back and looked at post I have made in the past, and I can't believe how much I've changed my mind towards things since)but I really don't see why this personal attack was done?

   

well, i have been to the US..Maine and Massachussetts. It may not be the whole country but from what i've experienced i think that it's true that canadians are more polite! Customer service wasn't really hot and also, i work for the university and my job consists of calling people all over canada and the US and let me tell ya, when i call companies or organisations in the US, it seems like i'm always bothering them..they're not too "friendly" on the phone. But hey, that's just what i've experienced so far. I deal with literally hundreds of americans every summer at work and most of them are very nice. (mind you, they are all over their 50s and rich..hehe) So, while some people say that americans and canadians are very much alike, i will disagree because we are, indeed, two very different cultures even if we're neighbours.

   

BTW Norad, i hope you won't be judging my replies because i am 21.

   

A friend of mine moved to Jersey about 10yrs ago now....all we knew of the States was what we saw on TV....what we called "the murder stations"...but thats what we saw everyday..this one killed here ...that one killed there..and so on......Shortly after he moved there I phoned him, and got his machine. It had a nice polite message, and when I talked to him I joked that, now he's a Yank and all he should change it to "LEAVE A FUCKIN MESSAGE OR ILL FUCKIN SHOOT YOU!!!" He was very quick to point out that "it's not like that at all." he's still there, and says he likes it just fine...but he LOVES comin home to visit...Im sure that has more to do with the exchange rate, sad to say!!! I've know him for almost 25 yrs now, I have never been to the States(think I flew over it on my way to Toronto once!), but I'll take his word over the medias any day!


LOL my speiling suks eh

   

Yeah, just like Canadian 1971 said Mountygirl, it's not at all like the media presents it to be. Also, alot of Americans know that the northeast is full of snobs . Just kidding, I'm sure not all of them are like that, but they have a reputation for being rude. Every place in the US isn't the same. I even notice a big difference in things when I visit in Chicago or go anywhere up north from how people act in the south(although you could get an idea of the US from there, but I wouldn't use the northeast as a prime example of the US). In the south you will get southern hospitality. The west coast and mid west probably has a different mix to. Like I was saying, you should try seeing the places in the US other than the north. Florida's really nice. Or maybe you should try hawii. I'm glad to see some of you people (mountygrl and Canadian1971) can be adults and accept peoples opinions without cutting them down for their age. I know we have probably had disagreements, but I think anyone can agree that cutting down someones opinion based on their age, and not the substance in it, is a low blow and immature. I got you back mountygrl is Norad says shit about your age

All I have been trying to say is the same kind of stuff that Canadian1971 was implying at...that it's not like the media protrays. Also, I was trying to say that peoples opinions and generalizations are pretty far off in my OPINION. Considering I actually live in the US and deal with Americans all the time, I think I know that there's a good deal of us who could be considered open-minded.

   

doube post

   

I'm supposed to be scared of a redneck kid? LOL

mountygrl: I respect your opinions. Why would I criticize? Johnny on the otherhand, I don't. There is a difference.

   

Who the h#ll am I to mingle in this conversation? LOL

Oh well, here goes: I'm a Dutch guy, 20 yrs of age, born and raised in Amsterdam.
Multi-Ethnical (Dutch-Indonesian/Dutch and MUCH more then that).

Now since this is a 'so called' European-view on Canada, I wonder why so little europeans are involved with this discussion? lol.
Canadians, and Americans, seem to tell here what Europeans seem to think... guys...? this is the internet?
Post it on a European-forum and see how they reply and post it back here again?

Anyway!
I am planning on moving to Canada within 2/3 years from now, why?
Let me tell you:

Europe, and especially the Netherlands, are a great place to live... no doubt.
On top of that the Netherlands is probably the world's most liberated country.

But: Europe is doing bad financially right now and I mean bad BAD.
Yes we are stinking rich, except for Eastern-Europe, but due to that fact people are scared to spend their money and lose their fortune.
Resulting into an economic 'halt' and thousands of companies going flatbroke.
Next to that we have the 'wonderfull' Euro that has blown away the US's pride (the US-dollar) completely and has destroyed the world economical stabillity completely.

Our main problem is that we depend on the US to buy products and we invested in the US (not what many Americans seem to think, the US investing majorly in Europe).
So our main problem is: We are buying US-fabricated products for uncomfortable prices (they may come at shit-low prices but it will mess up your total 'budget') but we can't sell our own products since they are of too high prices for the US-customers.
We've completely lost our investments in the US and we get driven further away cause we are on financial-steroids thanks to nervous Japanese-investors (as well as US/Canadian/European-investors ofcourse).

Canada, alike any other modern-day economy, ofcourse also deals with financial problems right now but not as bad on average as we do.
Your 'dollar' is worth about... 70 US dollar-cents? and 1,32 US Dollars make 1 Euro... so do the math.
It is quite 'safe' to invest in the Canadian-economy in general terms.
But you are doing a lot better then many European-countries right now where the 'Exhange-Index Graph' looks like a bad-ass storm at sea.

Apart from the Financial-reasons there is the geographical-involvement, hey... the big cites ARE quite close to the US, eh?
Despite that many europeans like to deny, the US is a country of oppertunity, though maybe not at the moment.
So if you are educated for business/commercial-industry living 'somewhere' closer to the USA then Europe has its profits.
AAAAND... Canada just really IS extroadinary beautifull, isn't it?
Europe has outstanding natural beauty but it isn't quite as much and big as in Canada, especially not in Holland.

Social-Reasons: Canada is a much more socially-involved country, on average, then the US.
Which doesn't mean the US is 'mean' or anything, they just have more shit to deal with so a lot of time and money is invested in that.
Canadians are not HALF as disliked as Americans around the globe.
Canadians are 'more' like Europeans then most Americans are, or at least Europeans and 'Canucks' have less trouble accepting that we are a lot alike.
(Since the Americans and Europeans have some stupid competition-feeling for no specific reason.)
Canada has free health-care - nice one guys - Canada has good education, I'm just 20... so hey?, Canada is not as crowded as the US and it doesn't have such 'extreme' weapon/destructrion-lust in and around the urban-areas.


And this guy on the first page of this discussion said it before: HAVE YOU EVER EVER EVER BEEN TO HOLLAND!?
If you say: I'm Canadian and preferably smirk 'polite' and friendly with that, you will see a Dutchman's eyes sparkle!
They will fall in love with you instantly and will be very helpfull for as far as the situation allows them to.
Canadians are to many of us, especially the older people, "The Liberators".
It were the Canadians that drove around the streets with tanks and infantry on May 5th, 1945 more then US-troops (they were mostly involved with the huge problems in Germany).

Dutch do NOT 'hate' Americans, but they're not their favorite people either.
Though you have nothing to fear at all as an American, no faul language or physical-threats/intimidation or insults.
Just don't walk around with a huge backpack with a flag on it or a shirt screaming "USA! USA! Come on Saddam lets Play!".

Canadians on the other hand are appreciated as a. yes I'm sorry to say, 'Nice and cool Americans'.
Just look at yourself as a better equilivant of the US.
THOUGH we very well realize that you are independend nation and have your own culture, do not doubt that.

Truth is though that Dutch. being one of the most well developed and educated europeans, will quickly run out of knowledge concerning Canada.
I attend an elite-school for Art-Designing so I have class with rather smart rich-bitch kids (I'm not, my parents cripple in distress to pay my school) and they get all excited AND confused knowing I want to go to Canada.
They think its cold 'all year round', they like Canadians better then Americans but just can't really imagine how Canada can be much less violent/patriotistic then the US etc etc.
Most of them know a 'couple' of cities in Canada (Toronto, Vancouver and probably Ottowa) but that's really it.
And the bright side, they are very intrested in knowing more about Canada.
So if you ever come here, you are very welcome to tell us about Canada, we will unlikely roll our eyes or get bored. (Not that we do when we speak to an American or so though)

Dutch know a couple of Canadian-celebs... sadly enough the standard folks: Alanis, Mike Myers, Celene and possibly Micheal J Fox and some more.
We DO know Jim Carrey, Dan Akroyd etc etc but its likely we think of them being Americans.

If you tell them those are Canadians you will notice a funny frown and a "Hmmm"-sound followed by a "...I didnt know that?".


Overall Canadians have a VERY good reputation in Europe and we VERY well realize you have your own distinctive culture.
We just generally have some trouble summing up the right things, but then again... how many 'Canucks' can sum up the right stuff about Holland?

Apart from: Drugs, Cheese, Tulips, Amsterdam and "GGGGGG"-tones?
That while Holland has been one of the most influental and important countries for the western-world, and partially still is.


Anxiously looking forward to replies.
Sorry if its a bit long and all


- Marnix


P.S.: I DO NOT HATE AMERICANS AT ALL, I HAVE MANY AMERICAN FRIENDS.

P.S. P.S.: I am deeply in love with a Canadian girly, teehee

   

Redneck kid? I didn't say you should be scared, just that I can empathize with anyone who is bashed because of their age. You have shown yourself to be immature, and if you don't agree with my opinion fine, but if you want to go bashing people and are that petty, then fuck off. You sound like a bitch anyways. I mean who is so insecure that they have to bash someone for their age?

   

Hey MIXX, I wouldn't jump so far as to say Canadians are "Nice and cool Americans." I mean look at Norad, he is going around bashing me for my opinion because of my age, has called me a redneck kid, and is overall being rude, for really no reason. Does this line sound like a nice line:

And I have the right to attack yours, Johnny. Remember that before spouting bs with your, what, 20? year old mind. So worldly, so knowing...LOL 20 years old and thinks he knows everything. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

....main point I was trying to make before that was that everyone is different in every country. I mean, me or you can't speak for all Americans or Europeans, and Norad can't speak for all Canadians. Human beings in general are all different, and there's many different opinions, don't you think. I think the most funny thing is he never even attacked my opinion , just said some shit about my age and rolled his eyes. Sounds like some playground arguements to me.

Now, in the past I have had different opinions, and people can look up my past post and probably see that I have different opinions, but upon some thought, and looking stuff up, and growing as a person, my opinions can change just like anyone elses, but Norad doesn't understand those types of things. He looks up peoples post from like last year, and then goes around calling them names, such as myself. This is just an example of how not all Canadians are polite, just like not all Americans are jingoistic fools.

....on another note, you live in the Netherlands? I really want to visit someday. I've seen pictures of the cities which are on water, and the wierd architecture, and it seems like a really cool place, plus from what I've seen they place high up usually on the quality of life standings. Right now my dads over in Ireland, and hopefully he will catch a travel bug and I can sponge a trip off him because he has one of those timeshare things, which are good around the world. What would you say are some unique things to see in the Netherlands?

   

ok...so ppl come to the US to sightsee...who says to meet the ppl...or even associate with the ppl. americans SUCK. im american, n i dont want to say im shallow, but i probably am compared to any other person outside of this country...americans cant relate to each other, of course they cant relate to the outside world...thats why most countries despise us..its pretty obvious. we are so arrogant as a country, i am astounded that we havent crashed and burned, o wait...we have.. our last election of president...my bad..

   

Hi Guys!

Here's my opinion about Canada as a German guy!

I think that Canada is one of the best countries in the world!
Over there you have a wonderful landscape and people,
Canada is a bilingual country (french in Québec and english in the other provinces and territories). Canada is a member of the "Commonwealth of Nations", so you were a british colony and have more and deeplier relations to europe than the people in the USA. You are quite polite, nice and you love peace more than the government of the States...

That's what most europeans think about Canada

One reason that europeans are not that much interested in Canada is, that you don't want to play the "World Police" like the United States do!
But you are friendlier than the USA, more like the "modern" european countries,so you have more in common with europe.
Or something like that...

In Germany most of the people think that you are the "better Americans", one reason is written above.
I am personally interested in Canada because I want to move there, at least when I'm 40, because in Germany...
How can I say that, ...the Nazi-community begins to grow (you can see it on the election in Saxonia and Brandenburg where the NPD [National Partei Deutschland] and the DVU [Deutsche Volksunion], the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
So here is some kind of political polarization, like in the early 1930's when Hitler became "Reichskanzler" in the "Weimarer Republik", the people elect the right wing (NPD and DVU) and the left wing (PDS [Partei des demokratischen Sozialismus]), when the German people won't do anything against this polarization the Federal Republic of Germany will end like the "Weimarer Republik" and I'm afraid of it!
Oh my god that has nothing to do with the topic, I'm sorry dudes!!!

But agree with MIXX and the other German guy!!!

Canada is a great country!
And I wouldn't say that America (I mean the US of A *lol*) really suckz but, you know, they have made two mistakes since the past five years (georgie porgie) and every one in europe make jokes about their elections and about George W. (Georgie) and Condolezza Rice (Condy Rice), the only real tough man, who was respected in europe was Colin Powell.
But don't worry Americans, better times will come, someday...

And yes, in every country are, as we say in Germany "Schwarze Schafe" (EN: black sheeps), no one and of course no country is perfect!

I'm sorry for my bad english spelling and grammatic, but I#m just a sixteen years old student, who visits the 11th grade of a grammar school in Thuringia...

Who finds mistakes can keep them *lol*

   

Hi Guys!

Here's my opinion about Canada as a German guy!

I think that Canada is one of the best countries in the world!
Over there you have a wonderful landscape and people,
Canada is a bilingual country (french in Québec and english in the other provinces and territories). Canada is a member of the "Commonwealth of Nations", so you were a british colony and have more and deeplier relations to europe than the people in the USA. You are quite polite, nice and you love peace more than the government of the States...

That's what most europeans think about Canada

One reason that europeans are not that much interested in Canada is, that you don't want to play the "World Police" like the United States do!
But you are friendlier than the USA, more like the "modern" european countries,so you have more in common with europe.
Or something like that...

In Germany most of the people think that you are the "better Americans", one reason is written above.
I am personally interested in Canada because I want to move there, at least when I'm 40, because in Germany...
How can I say that, ...the Nazi-community begins to grow (you can see it on the election in Saxonia and Brandenburg where the NPD [National Partei Deutschland] and the DVU [Deutsche Volksunion], the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
So here is some kind of political polarization, like in the early 1930's when Hitler became "Reichskanzler" in the "Weimarer Republik", the people elect the right wing (NPD and DVU) and the left wing (PDS [Partei des demokratischen Sozialismus]), when the German people won't do anything against this polarization the Federal Republic of Germany will end like the "Weimarer Republik" and I'm afraid of it!
Oh my god that has nothing to do with the topic, I'm sorry dudes!!!

But agree with MIXX and the other German guy!!!

Canada is a great country!
And I wouldn't say that America (I mean the US of A *lol*) really suckz but, you know, they have made two mistakes since the past five years (georgie porgie) and every one in europe make jokes about their elections and about George W. (Georgie) and Condolezza Rice (Condy Rice), the only real tough man, who was respected in europe was Colin Powell.
But don't worry Americans, better times will come, someday...

And yes, in every country are, as we say in Germany "Schwarze Schafe" (EN: black sheeps), no one and of course no country is perfect!

I'm sorry for my bad english spelling and grammatic, but I'm just a sixteen years old student, who visits the 11th grade of a grammar school in Thuringia...

Who finds mistakes can keep them *lol*

   

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