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As stated earlier, fortunately you do not represent Americans!! Oh and a persons post count is relevant?? Calling a guy "newbie" because you have more "TI" on a message board??? Very sad. You are out of touch, but at least you admited to being rude above, if you think I was rude, it was not neccasarily intended, however, after reading the first 9 pages of ramblings, you really don't make much of an impression other than that, I suggest you go back and reread what you typed so long ago to refresh your memory, and maybe you will understand where this "newbie" is coming from. Cheers

   

This is just one thread though. I have had other light hearted post which are completely opposite. Notice it's in the rants and raves area. I looked at the date you joined, and I'm sorry I called you a newbie, you obviously have been around a while. It's your opinion that I'm out of touch.

So I like to post and rant on a message board, big deal? You don't actually KNOW me, but you already called me a "paranoid loser" and an "ass-clown" and then told me that I am trying to act like a tough guy on the net. I don't represent Americans? I'm an American? That's like saying you don't represent Canadians(of course, everyone is different in their own ways, and some could be close to the same as others on certain things). In most of my post, I just represent that not all Americans are the same. If that is a bad thing, then fine, I shouldn't represent Americans and I should let people say they are all this or that. I never say ALL Americans are like how I represent them to be either. You claim I've been trying to be a tough guy, yet you are the one who's been attacking me. If I was attacking someone elses opinion, and you claim that makes me a wannabe tough guy, then what are you? So far you have called me names, made assumptions as to what you think my personal life is, basically told me I don't represent Americans, which can be taken that I'm not American enough and don't deserve to be called an American(imagine if I told a some Canadians that). This post is old, and it turned into a long rant. I have made other post in which I agree with people and the discourse is completely different, but you wouldn't know that because you looked at one thread that I post in a while ago, and all from that one post you have been able to tell me what my life is like outside of the internet? I didn't know you were able to know people on forums so well to make such accusations.

What is so bad about me representing Americans? The fact that I say people shouldn't say we are all the same? There's plenty of people here who have told me that my reasoning is well, and all I try to do is bring a little bit on saneness to some convos(like when people refer to all Americans as superficial and this and that). I maybe try to make them see that we are all human, and that there's tons of different people in this world. Now, I've been here for quite sometime, and have made alot of post, and I have changed my point of view over the year and a half or so. A while ago I was pro-death penalty, but after talking to people here, they have convinced me, through long convos, that against it is a good way to go. So me trying to convince people out of point of views that generalize Americans as being all the same and then bashing them, is basically the same principle, because I have met a wide array of different Americans, and you can even see the different of people on Tv. There's other things I believe in though that I talk to people on here(such as the gay marriage issue which went on for a long time in a post, or other little war topics, etc)so I do not just go around being like "oh my everybody hates Americans."

I am only human though, and I do make slip ups every now and then, and I have said stupid things on here, but to hold that against people(it's usually pointed out by people in the post, me an exoticass cleared these things up, and I can realize when I am at fault)and go around calling them names and cutting down their personal life, as your first post towards that person when you have never had a convo with them or debate, seems ridiculous and un-called for. I bet most people in this world, if you examined a period of their life and wrote down things they did, would give you enough ammo to talk down to them. You are basically talk down to me and acting like you really know me. Some things in this post I would probably take back, but overall my message is don't generalize all people based on nationality, whether they are Canadian, American, mexican, whatever.

Some of the post I've made in this thread go all the way back to march 2004. Back then I was just a different person. Do we not all grow?

"To live is to find out for yourself what is true, and you can do this only when there is freedom. When there is continuous revolution inwardly, within yourself"

Since many of the post I made in the first half of my time here, I have grown to see the world differently, see people differently, and now I just fight against generalizations of people and intolerance, at least when I see it(this doesn't mean I won't go in on a debate on some subject though). To hold my past against me is unfair to my present.

   

Hi Johnny...
In my opinion you are right, because all people who say that all Americans are fat and stupid have to say that all Germans ar Nazis, to follow their "logic", and that is, how we hopefully all know [b]wrong[b]!!!

I think that you can not say that ereryone in a nation is the sam, that would be a horrible imagination...
And I think that everyone represents his country where he comes from in a special and different way... You represent a special part of your country when you are in foreign countries, like you're a little ambassador...

And every country has different facets, like Canada (which is my favorite country) or the USA or Germany or France or Poland...
I think that these bad opinion mostly refer on prejudices...
I do not think that all Americans hate France and french people, just because some Republicans don't like them and called "french fries" since the Iraq war "freedom fries", which is really ridiculous...
And the people who say that they hate the USA and all Americans never have been to the USA, I think, and I also think that they don't really hate Americans but their way of life, or actually they hate the big American Companies which exploits the world ressources and the poor people...
An example, before the second Iraq war the Iraqis didn't hate the Americans, the USA a wasn't that bad in their minds, some hoped, that someday the Iraq would get the same lifestandards like the people have in the USA, with skyscrapers and so on... (I watched some Iraqis saying tha in a documentary called "Why we fight", it was shown by a TV-Station called Arte, it's a common project from Germany and France, two nations who were enemies 60 years ago)
But their view and opinion towards the USA changed since the War, they say that the US and UK forces are occupyers not liberators...
But the American people have no big fault on that, but the government of President George Walker Bush... and of course the so called "neo-cons"

So far from me my beloved (sk8er) bois *lol*
Greetz from Good Old Germany

And yes, the US forces in 1945 were real liberators
And no one hates them... but the no one loves the red army...
I ask me why? That is a rhetorical question

MfG harzer_knaller

   

If you try to out do the US glitz, WWF, shock and awe, we aren't even in the race. But then a lot of other countries are in the same boat, I mean if the US UN appointee Bolton can tell the whole world that the US rules and that is just the way it is, then everyone is insignificant. I see anyone trying to be the friend of America at this time as looking like a lap dog. So I am quite happy for Canada to follow its own quiet, dignified course.
Part of American power has come as a result of undermining other , in a lot of cases democratic, countries and controling other countries resources. For the most part Americans do not recognize why other countries hate them.
Canadians have managed, without trying to hurt other countries, done very fine for itself. I also see the race as not having been entirely played out. I don't think the US can keep its current course without trying to overtake everyone. But that wont happen because they are stating down a path were they will destroy themselves from within. Just like Germany started attacking its own so will the US in its paranoia. Doesn't anyone else see the fate of the Roman empire being played out here.
What makes it all so hard to accept is that there really is a lot of good people in the US, I just can't understand how such evil men can take over like they have.

   

If Canadians and Americans are the same then so are the English and the Scottish!!! So are the French and the Belgians!!! So are the Germans and the Austrians!!! So are the Australians and New Zealanders!!! So are the Spanish and the Portuguese!!!

I could go on, but you get the point. Of course people have things in common, but everyone does, it doesn't mean that Canada or Belgium, England or Scotland don't have their own identities. Not all Europeans are total ignorants or idiots, we don't think Canada and America are the same thing, even if we think they're pretty similar.

No one can speak for all Americans, all Canadians or all Europeans. And I'm sure a vast majority of Europeans can tell the difference between Canada & the USA, especially if Americans have anything to do with it!!!

And if Canada isn't a country because it has American influences, then the entire Western World must just be another part of the USA!!! (GWB Probably thinks so)

   

Yeah! Germany IS NOT Austria!!!

Every not-neo-nazi-german would say that, Austrians are "Schluchtenscheißer"...

Everyone is different, every country and every human!

greetz Harzer_Knaller

   

Hey, I don't think it matters what Europe thinks about us two. We are both kick ass countries and both make a great team- our border is the longest relatively peaceful border in the entire world by far! I don't think the U.S. or Canada could ask for better neighbors. We work well together.

   

(My reply is maybe a bit of topic, but I don’t have the energy to read all the posts)

Now first of all, “a Europeans view of Canada?” that’s generalizing beyond reason! As most of you probably know Europe is a very diverged place, but fore the sake of the topic let’s forget that for a while.

Being a Dane living in Denmark at the same time makes me a Scandinavian, even though I don’t like to admit it, Scandinavians seen in the larger picture is very much alike. This means, when I meet at non Scandinavian that don’t know much or nothing at all about Denmark or Scandinavia for that matter, I’m just another blond Scandinavian Viking!

I rarely take that as an insult, because the person I just met obviously doesn’t know better. And when people don’t know much about a given country, they usually have a very neutral position on this country. Now given that, just because I as a Dane sometimes have been seen as a Scandinavian or a Swede living e bit more south dos not mean that every thing Sweden might have done wrong is instantly copied on to Denmark.

So labeling Canadians as North Americans or as Americans just living a bit more north is rarely a negative thing, some people just don’t know better but this do not mean that all this person thinks is bad about the US I copied on to Canada.

Just because you and I are proud of our countries, dos not entitle us to demand that everybody, especially not people living on the other side of the globe, knows of our lovely countries. Europe is not on the other side of the globe, but its still a long way across the Atlantic.

For me, I have visited Canada ones and therefore I know a bit about Canada, but there are still lots of things I don’t know about Canada. So fore me Canada is Canada but at the same time Canada is part of North America which helps me to give reference.

   

I wanted to add a little comment if I could. My topic certainly pertains to the view that some around the globe may have about a controversial issue.

I have noticed that some of the more recent posts ( DanishViking and Harzer Knaller) mentionned the fact that there are judgements based on stereotypes. Follow me on this. first If I may quote Harzer:
``In my opinion you are right, because all people who say that all Americans are fat and stupid have to say that all Germans ar Nazis, to follow their "logic", and that is, how we hopefully all know wrong!!! ``

I am here to say that I am from the province of Quebec and as many of you know, we are perceived as being all separatists. When in fact, only part of that is true. I am also here to let you all know that, 1st of all, I AM NOT A SEPARATIST and also that I can proudly say that I AM CANADIAN

We, Quebecers, maybe viewed as whiners and complain about everything that our province is not getting on behalf of Canada. And I do give you reason on the count that, yes, it seems that's what the lefty seperatist like to do. But please understand that there are the other people in Quebec who do not share that same opinion. I am Federalist within this province and I like the situation in which we are now. Maybe the fact that you don't hear about us (Federalists) is because we may not voice our opinion as strongly as the others. That's why I am writing this so.... you could see that there are others in Quebec that like Canada. So if I may end this by saying that A united Canada is a stronger Canada.

   

I couldn't agree with you more Frank. That's a point I have been trying to get across to all the stubborn separatists. While there may be alot of separatists in Quebec, not all Quebecers are separatists. Which is why Quebec will never separate. There may be alot of people who want a separate Quebec but there alot who don't.

I don't think of all Quebecers as separatists, but people may feel as if they are simply because the separatists voice their oppinions as if the entire province is behind their cause.

   

I believe those posts belong in the seperatists thread and not this one. The post says European, not Quebec. Just dont want to read more quebec stuff on these threads. Its just going to attract more unwanted attention.

   

That's ok. You make a very good point. The way I looked at it was the view that other countries may have on that subject. That was all that was meant by that.

And Dennis, ty for the support

   

I, however, and of no surprise to a select few couldn't agree more with his take on Canadians as viewed through the viewfinder of Europeans. We take ourselves far too seriously resulting in the delusion we actually count for something on this globe. 30 - 33 million population, less than that of California, sheesh![/quote]

I appriate your honesty. Its nice to know different types of views on Canadians from around the globe. I find it facinating and educational.
However, what I take from your statement above is that Canada is not the only country in the world that is considered to be unimportant.
America commericalizes itself to the point that much of the world is brainwashed into believing that it is the only free country in the world, when of course it isn't.They preached freedom long after Canada had started the underground railroad to help slaves come to a place where they could be free. I don't want to bash America, but I don't like to be called a Northern version of a American, just as a Chinease person may not like to be called Japanise.
We have different cultures and Especially opions.I think thats why Canadians can become so angry , because we don't like being told we are part of another country, we're not we are seperate and unique and not anything like americans. I take it very offensively to be told that the country I was born and raised in and love is nothing more than the weak extension of a Country thats smaller than us and that is so morally different. It would be like comparing a bear to an elephant, Canada being the elephant.

   

It's gotten to the point in North America that the difference between a Canadian and an American is no more than a Briton from Devonshire and one from Yorkshire. They are regional differences and no more. Our populations come from the same countries, we eat the same foods, watch the same TV programs, speak the same language, eat out at the same restaurants, play the same sports etc. There are some out there, Carolyn Parrish for example who think they are superior to Americans by deriding them and being obnoxious. Well, these same people complain about how rude and obnoxious Americans are to the rest of the world and end up proving we're just the same and end up making an even bigger ass of themselves.
I live and work in China, and I have friends of all ethnicities from South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, the US, the UK and Canada. You realize just how much you have in common in a situation like that. Why look for trivial things that divide us? Instead look at all the things we share in common.

   

For any Canadians who might still be falling for this crap, living with the inferiority complex that we are so small that we don't matter, SNAP OUT OF IT! Canada is AWESOME! Does the U.S. dwarf us economically? Sure it does. So what? That doesn't make us inconcesquential. We are a member of the G8 for crying out loud. I.E. the 8 most powerful democratic nations in the WORLD.

For my take on this, read this post, which was my first ever on canadaka.net, and the guy never did try to refute any of my arguments because they are backed up by iron-clad sources:
Post about why Canada COUNTS in the world

So bascially, we aren't the biggest, most powerful nation int he world. Ok. So what? We are what we are, and it's FAR from being nothing or inconsequential.

-CamCKA

   

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